A PG comparison for Rondo's upcoming deal..

[MISSERY]

CP3 and PARKER and LILLARD = WEST

WALL and IRVING and MCW = EAST

[Eddie20]

Lin is more along the lines of 8M so I'll exclude him from the discussion. The key thing to me is the ages.  Paul and Williams are roughly Rondo's age and in Williams' case he has really fallen off (Paul has declined ever so slightly too). So I don't mind paying Rondo the same amount as Wall, Westbrook, Irving, etc. if he were approximately the same age. However, we'll be paying Rondo on past performance if we reward him with a 5 year deal at max, or near max, money. He simply won't fulfill that contract with his play especially during the later years of the deal. His athletically reliant game isn't one that ages well and unlike other PG's, who can compensate with any decreased athleticism with their shooting, Rondo can't.

I would love to see a chart on how athletically dependent players say 6-3 and under have performed during ages 29-34, which is more or less the age Rondo will be with a 5 year deal. Iverson, Marbury, Lever, KJ, Pack, Hardaway, Tiny, and Francis are a few that immediately come to mind. Trying to think of others.

  Rondo's not athletically dependent like most of those guys were. You could say he's athletically dependent in the sense that all nba players are. But the thing that sets him apart from other players is his BBIQ, court vision and passing. He's averaged 11+ assists/game 3 times in his career. Other players that have include Nash, Stockton, Magic and Oscar. You should do a chart on how those guys did in that age range. I'll let you know if I think of any other players that fit in that category.

  An aside I suppose, but you don't know that Rondo's game is completely different than most of those players? Yikes.

He definitely is athletically dependent. He uses his quick first step to breakdown defenses and set up teammates. Once he starts losing that explosiveness, as he continues to age his game, his game will drop off considerably. Comparing him to Nash and Stockton, two players that can really shoot, and Magic and Big O, two players that were huge for the spot, is not a very good comparable.

  He had no explosiveness this year and the only dropoff in his offensive game came from not shooting well, which is fairly understandable considering he was coming back from a knee injury. If you put last year's athletically hampered Rondo on the court with some good scorers and he'd pick apart defenses. He'll do the same thing when he's older.

Wow! This is then the curious case of Rajon Rondo, the unprecedented remarkable story of a basketball player that defied all odds and played well into his 50's. Can't wait to see him in green for about 30 more years.

[fitzhickey]

CP3 and PARKER and LILLARD = WEST

WALL and IRVING and MCW = EAST

I think MCW was more a product of a point guard reliant system. I'd still rather have Kemba or Jeff Teague over him.

[pokeKingCurtis]

Lin is more along the lines of 8M so I'll exclude him from the discussion. The key thing to me is the ages.  Paul and Williams are roughly Rondo's age and in Williams' case he has really fallen off (Paul has declined ever so slightly too). So I don't mind paying Rondo the same amount as Wall, Westbrook, Irving, etc. if he were approximately the same age. However, we'll be paying Rondo on past performance if we reward him with a 5 year deal at max, or near max, money. He simply won't fulfill that contract with his play especially during the later years of the deal. His athletically reliant game isn't one that ages well and unlike other PG's, who can compensate with any decreased athleticism with their shooting, Rondo can't.

I would love to see a chart on how athletically dependent players say 6-3 and under have performed during ages 29-34, which is more or less the age Rondo will be with a 5 year deal. Iverson, Marbury, Lever, KJ, Pack, Hardaway, Tiny, and Francis are a few that immediately come to mind. Trying to think of others.

  Rondo's not athletically dependent like most of those guys were. You could say he's athletically dependent in the sense that all nba players are. But the thing that sets him apart from other players is his BBIQ, court vision and passing. He's averaged 11+ assists/game 3 times in his career. Other players that have include Nash, Stockton, Magic and Oscar. You should do a chart on how those guys did in that age range. I'll let you know if I think of any other players that fit in that category.

  An aside I suppose, but you don't know that Rondo's game is completely different than most of those players? Yikes.

He definitely is athletically dependent. He uses his quick first step to breakdown defenses and set up teammates. Once he starts losing that explosiveness, as he continues to age his game, his game will drop off considerably. Comparing him to Nash and Stockton, two players that can really shoot, and Magic and Big O, two players that were huge for the spot, is not a very good comparable.

  He had no explosiveness this year and the only dropoff in his offensive game came from not shooting well, which is fairly understandable considering he was coming back from a knee injury. If you put last year's athletically hampered Rondo on the court with some good scorers and he'd pick apart defenses. He'll do the same thing when he's older.

Wow! This is then the curious case of Rajon Rondo, the unprecedented remarkable story of a basketball player that defied all odds and played well into his 50's. Can't wait to see him in green for about 30 more years.

[Eddie20]

Lin is more along the lines of 8M so I'll exclude him from the discussion. The key thing to me is the ages.  Paul and Williams are roughly Rondo's age and in Williams' case he has really fallen off (Paul has declined ever so slightly too). So I don't mind paying Rondo the same amount as Wall, Westbrook, Irving, etc. if he were approximately the same age. However, we'll be paying Rondo on past performance if we reward him with a 5 year deal at max, or near max, money. He simply won't fulfill that contract with his play especially during the later years of the deal. His athletically reliant game isn't one that ages well and unlike other PG's, who can compensate with any decreased athleticism with their shooting, Rondo can't.

I would love to see a chart on how athletically dependent players say 6-3 and under have performed during ages 29-34, which is more or less the age Rondo will be with a 5 year deal. Iverson, Marbury, Lever, KJ, Pack, Hardaway, Tiny, and Francis are a few that immediately come to mind. Trying to think of others.

  Rondo's not athletically dependent like most of those guys were. You could say he's athletically dependent in the sense that all nba players are. But the thing that sets him apart from other players is his BBIQ, court vision and passing. He's averaged 11+ assists/game 3 times in his career. Other players that have include Nash, Stockton, Magic and Oscar. You should do a chart on how those guys did in that age range. I'll let you know if I think of any other players that fit in that category.

  An aside I suppose, but you don't know that Rondo's game is completely different than most of those players? Yikes.

He definitely is athletically dependent. He uses his quick first step to breakdown defenses and set up teammates. Once he starts losing that explosiveness, as he continues to age his game, his game will drop off considerably. Comparing him to Nash and Stockton, two players that can really shoot, and Magic and Big O, two players that were huge for the spot, is not a very good comparable.

  He had no explosiveness this year and the only dropoff in his offensive game came from not shooting well, which is fairly understandable considering he was coming back from a knee injury. If you put last year's athletically hampered Rondo on the court with some good scorers and he'd pick apart defenses. He'll do the same thing when he's older.

Wow! This is then the curious case of Rajon Rondo, the unprecedented remarkable story of a basketball player that defied all odds and played well into his 50's. Can't wait to see him in green for about 30 more years.

And like clockwork the Mazz to BballTim's Felger makes an appearance

[Future Celtics Owner]

I wish we could sign him to a 2/3 year deal, going five gets me nervous.

Anyway I want to trade him to HOU for 3-4picks tpe and salary space.

[mr. dee]

If glorified role players gets paid like 15m+, I can't see why Rondo can't have more than that.

[gar]

Nobody seems to be be focusing on the most glaring problem with his play last year which was his lack of lateral quickness on defense. He was completely useless on defense and discussing his contract extension is premature until he can show that he is able to play on both ends of the court.

[timobusa]

15- 18 mil per year roughly is what I'd be comfortable at.

I love Rondo and what he brings to the table.

[kozlodoev]

If glorified role players gets paid like 15m+, I can't see why Rondo can't have more than that.

Wait, Rondo is not a glorified role player?

[pokeKingCurtis]

Lin is more along the lines of 8M so I'll exclude him from the discussion. The key thing to me is the ages.  Paul and Williams are roughly Rondo's age and in Williams' case he has really fallen off (Paul has declined ever so slightly too). So I don't mind paying Rondo the same amount as Wall, Westbrook, Irving, etc. if he were approximately the same age. However, we'll be paying Rondo on past performance if we reward him with a 5 year deal at max, or near max, money. He simply won't fulfill that contract with his play especially during the later years of the deal. His athletically reliant game isn't one that ages well and unlike other PG's, who can compensate with any decreased athleticism with their shooting, Rondo can't.

I would love to see a chart on how athletically dependent players say 6-3 and under have performed during ages 29-34, which is more or less the age Rondo will be with a 5 year deal. Iverson, Marbury, Lever, KJ, Pack, Hardaway, Tiny, and Francis are a few that immediately come to mind. Trying to think of others.

  Rondo's not athletically dependent like most of those guys were. You could say he's athletically dependent in the sense that all nba players are. But the thing that sets him apart from other players is his BBIQ, court vision and passing. He's averaged 11+ assists/game 3 times in his career. Other players that have include Nash, Stockton, Magic and Oscar. You should do a chart on how those guys did in that age range. I'll let you know if I think of any other players that fit in that category.

  An aside I suppose, but you don't know that Rondo's game is completely different than most of those players? Yikes.

He definitely is athletically dependent. He uses his quick first step to breakdown defenses and set up teammates. Once he starts losing that explosiveness, as he continues to age his game, his game will drop off considerably. Comparing him to Nash and Stockton, two players that can really shoot, and Magic and Big O, two players that were huge for the spot, is not a very good comparable.

  He had no explosiveness this year and the only dropoff in his offensive game came from not shooting well, which is fairly understandable considering he was coming back from a knee injury. If you put last year's athletically hampered Rondo on the court with some good scorers and he'd pick apart defenses. He'll do the same thing when he's older.

Wow! This is then the curious case of Rajon Rondo, the unprecedented remarkable story of a basketball player that defied all odds and played well into his 50's. Can't wait to see him in green for about 30 more years.

And like clockwork the Mazz to BballTim's Felger makes an appearance

No.

He's like Mozart and I'm like … Mozart’s friend.

No. I’m like Butch Cassidy and Tim is like… Mozart. You try and hurt Mozart, you’re gonna get a bullet in the head, courtesy of Butch Cassidy.

[BballTim]

Lin is more along the lines of 8M so I'll exclude him from the discussion. The key thing to me is the ages.  Paul and Williams are roughly Rondo's age and in Williams' case he has really fallen off (Paul has declined ever so slightly too). So I don't mind paying Rondo the same amount as Wall, Westbrook, Irving, etc. if he were approximately the same age. However, we'll be paying Rondo on past performance if we reward him with a 5 year deal at max, or near max, money. He simply won't fulfill that contract with his play especially during the later years of the deal. His athletically reliant game isn't one that ages well and unlike other PG's, who can compensate with any decreased athleticism with their shooting, Rondo can't.

I would love to see a chart on how athletically dependent players say 6-3 and under have performed during ages 29-34, which is more or less the age Rondo will be with a 5 year deal. Iverson, Marbury, Lever, KJ, Pack, Hardaway, Tiny, and Francis are a few that immediately come to mind. Trying to think of others.

  Rondo's not athletically dependent like most of those guys were. You could say he's athletically dependent in the sense that all nba players are. But the thing that sets him apart from other players is his BBIQ, court vision and passing. He's averaged 11+ assists/game 3 times in his career. Other players that have include Nash, Stockton, Magic and Oscar. You should do a chart on how those guys did in that age range. I'll let you know if I think of any other players that fit in that category.

  An aside I suppose, but you don't know that Rondo's game is completely different than most of those players? Yikes.

He definitely is athletically dependent. He uses his quick first step to breakdown defenses and set up teammates. Once he starts losing that explosiveness, as he continues to age his game, his game will drop off considerably. Comparing him to Nash and Stockton, two players that can really shoot, and Magic and Big O, two players that were huge for the spot, is not a very good comparable.

  He had no explosiveness this year and the only dropoff in his offensive game came from not shooting well, which is fairly understandable considering he was coming back from a knee injury. If you put last year's athletically hampered Rondo on the court with some good scorers and he'd pick apart defenses. He'll do the same thing when he's older.

Wow! This is then the curious case of Rajon Rondo, the unprecedented remarkable story of a basketball player that defied all odds and played well into his 50's. Can't wait to see him in green for about 30 more years.

  That's it? I was expecting another explanation of why he can't do something he's already done, or maybe a more dire set of circumstances that would render his passing skills moot, swapping out the oft-repeated "what if he's not surrounded by great shooters" with something like "what if his teammates are all legally blind?" or maybe an old chestnut like "what i Rondo and Zeller play at the same time? We've never seen that before, so we have no idea what would happen".

[BballTim]

If glorified role players gets paid like 15m+, I can't see why Rondo can't have more than that.

Wait, Rondo is not a glorified role player?

  Right? If you can't use nebulous terms to muddy the water what's the point in having them to begin with?

[mgent]

Lin is more along the lines of 8M so I'll exclude him from the discussion. The key thing to me is the ages.  Paul and Williams are roughly Rondo's age and in Williams' case he has really fallen off (Paul has declined ever so slightly too). So I don't mind paying Rondo the same amount as Wall, Westbrook, Irving, etc. if he were approximately the same age. However, we'll be paying Rondo on past performance if we reward him with a 5 year deal at max, or near max, money. He simply won't fulfill that contract with his play especially during the later years of the deal. His athletically reliant game isn't one that ages well and unlike other PG's, who can compensate with any decreased athleticism with their shooting, Rondo can't.

I would love to see a chart on how athletically dependent players say 6-3 and under have performed during ages 29-34, which is more or less the age Rondo will be with a 5 year deal. Iverson, Marbury, Lever, KJ, Pack, Hardaway, Tiny, and Francis are a few that immediately come to mind. Trying to think of others.

First one that comes to mind is Chauncey Billups, who basically doubled himself as a player at Rondo's age.  If Rondo does that it would be a bargain to have him locked up at 20 million for 5 years.

[manl_lui]

So in the defense of Rondo's reported desire for a max deal.. I did a comparison of 6 PGs that currently make more salary than Rajon. In the interest of injury issues, I've averaged data from the last 2 "active" seasons to determine the player's current value.. Results below.


Personally, i think he deserves about a $15-17 mill salary from this comparison.

What do you think? Does Rondo deserve max dollars?

Rondo is no CP3, but better then Deron at this point in their careers. Definitely not Rose when Rose is healthy. Offensively, not as great as Westbrook, but definitely better passer and PROBABLY better leader (probably would still trade Rondo for Westbrook if the deal ever comes up). Definitely better then Jeremy Lin.

Therefore, I agree with you, that I'd put Rondo at the 15-17 mil range