A PG comparison for Rondo's upcoming deal..

[coffee425]

So in the defense of Rondo's reported desire for a max deal.. I did a comparison of 6 PGs that currently make more salary than Rajon. In the interest of injury issues, I've averaged data from the last 2 "active" seasons to determine the player's current value.. Results below.


Personally, i think he deserves about a $15-17 mill salary from this comparison.

What do you think? Does Rondo deserve max dollars?

[JBcat]

I think that amount is fair especially considering what he makes now, and with the salary cap rising each year.   That's only if he shows he has fully recovered from his injury.  He will be 29 when he signs his next contract, and I'd expect at least another 3 or 4 years of his prime before he starts to decline.

[Eddie20]

Lin is more along the lines of 8M so I'll exclude him from the discussion. The key thing to me is the ages.  Paul and Williams are roughly Rondo's age and in Williams' case he has really fallen off (Paul has declined ever so slightly too). So I don't mind paying Rondo the same amount as Wall, Westbrook, Irving, etc. if he were approximately the same age. However, we'll be paying Rondo on past performance if we reward him with a 5 year deal at max, or near max, money. He simply won't fulfill that contract with his play especially during the later years of the deal. His athletically reliant game isn't one that ages well and unlike other PG's, who can compensate with any decreased athleticism with their shooting, Rondo can't.

I would love to see a chart on how athletically dependent players say 6-3 and under have performed during ages 29-34, which is more or less the age Rondo will be with a 5 year deal. Iverson, Marbury, Lever, KJ, Pack, Hardaway, Tiny, and Francis are a few that immediately come to mind. Trying to think of others.

[Celtics4ever]

He deserves as much as Lin now.

[BballTim]

Lin is more along the lines of 8M so I'll exclude him from the discussion. The key thing to me is the ages.  Paul and Williams are roughly Rondo's age and in Williams' case he has really fallen off (Paul has declined ever so slightly too). So I don't mind paying Rondo the same amount as Wall, Westbrook, Irving, etc. if he were approximately the same age. However, we'll be paying Rondo on past performance if we reward him with a 5 year deal at max, or near max, money. He simply won't fulfill that contract with his play especially during the later years of the deal. His athletically reliant game isn't one that ages well and unlike other PG's, who can compensate with any decreased athleticism with their shooting, Rondo can't.

I would love to see a chart on how athletically dependent players say 6-3 and under have performed during ages 29-34, which is more or less the age Rondo will be with a 5 year deal. Iverson, Marbury, Lever, KJ, Pack, Hardaway, Tiny, and Francis are a few that immediately come to mind. Trying to think of others.

  Rondo's not athletically dependent like most of those guys were. You could say he's athletically dependent in the sense that all nba players are. But the thing that sets him apart from other players is his BBIQ, court vision and passing. He's averaged 11+ assists/game 3 times in his career. Other players that have include Nash, Stockton, Magic and Oscar. You should do a chart on how those guys did in that age range. I'll let you know if I think of any other players that fit in that category.

  An aside I suppose, but you don't know that Rondo's game is completely different than most of those players? Yikes.

[Eddie20]

Lin is more along the lines of 8M so I'll exclude him from the discussion. The key thing to me is the ages.  Paul and Williams are roughly Rondo's age and in Williams' case he has really fallen off (Paul has declined ever so slightly too). So I don't mind paying Rondo the same amount as Wall, Westbrook, Irving, etc. if he were approximately the same age. However, we'll be paying Rondo on past performance if we reward him with a 5 year deal at max, or near max, money. He simply won't fulfill that contract with his play especially during the later years of the deal. His athletically reliant game isn't one that ages well and unlike other PG's, who can compensate with any decreased athleticism with their shooting, Rondo can't.

I would love to see a chart on how athletically dependent players say 6-3 and under have performed during ages 29-34, which is more or less the age Rondo will be with a 5 year deal. Iverson, Marbury, Lever, KJ, Pack, Hardaway, Tiny, and Francis are a few that immediately come to mind. Trying to think of others.

  Rondo's not athletically dependent like most of those guys were. You could say he's athletically dependent in the sense that all nba players are. But the thing that sets him apart from other players is his BBIQ, court vision and passing. He's averaged 11+ assists/game 3 times in his career. Other players that have include Nash, Stockton, Magic and Oscar. You should do a chart on how those guys did in that age range. I'll let you know if I think of any other players that fit in that category.

  An aside I suppose, but you don't know that Rondo's game is completely different than most of those players? Yikes.

He definitely is athletically dependent. He uses his quick first step to breakdown defenses and set up teammates. Once he starts losing that explosiveness, as he continues to age his game, his game will drop off considerably. Comparing him to Nash and Stockton, two players that can really shoot, and Magic and Big O, two players that were huge for the spot, is not a very good comparable.

[celticsfan8591]

Lin is more along the lines of 8M so I'll exclude him from the discussion. The key thing to me is the ages.  Paul and Williams are roughly Rondo's age and in Williams' case he has really fallen off (Paul has declined ever so slightly too). So I don't mind paying Rondo the same amount as Wall, Westbrook, Irving, etc. if he were approximately the same age. However, we'll be paying Rondo on past performance if we reward him with a 5 year deal at max, or near max, money. He simply won't fulfill that contract with his play especially during the later years of the deal. His athletically reliant game isn't one that ages well and unlike other PG's, who can compensate with any decreased athleticism with their shooting, Rondo can't.

I would love to see a chart on how athletically dependent players say 6-3 and under have performed during ages 29-34, which is more or less the age Rondo will be with a 5 year deal. Iverson, Marbury, Lever, KJ, Pack, Hardaway, Tiny, and Francis are a few that immediately come to mind. Trying to think of others.

  Rondo's not athletically dependent like most of those guys were. You could say he's athletically dependent in the sense that all nba players are. But the thing that sets him apart from other players is his BBIQ, court vision and passing. He's averaged 11+ assists/game 3 times in his career. Other players that have include Nash, Stockton, Magic and Oscar. You should do a chart on how those guys did in that age range. I'll let you know if I think of any other players that fit in that category.

  An aside I suppose, but you don't know that Rondo's game is completely different than most of those players? Yikes.

Rondo is much smaller and/or a worse shooter than all of the guys you mentioned though.  As he ages he's going to really struggle to get by his defender because his shot won't force people to play up on him like Nash and Stockton and he won't be able to bully his way into the paint like Magic or Oscar.  I think that's what Eddie was getting at.  I won't deny Rondo is a genius, but he's not going to be able to take advantage of that brain if he's a total non-threat as scorer.

[Eja117]

Isn't Lin only making that because he signed a back loaded deal? I could see him making like 16.5 seeing as how Russel is making 15.75, but only because the cap is going up. Further it's worth noting Russel did that when he was 25, right? And Rondo will be 30? So you give him a 5 year deal.

I think the point to make to Rondo is he's not allowed to break the bank. He's allowed to seriously dent it and wail on it, but not break it

[Beat LA]

And this is why it's far more difficult to build around point guards.

[coffee425]

for what it's worth, a pg that rebounds that high does make up for a lot of his deficiencies.

This will also be the first season that he will be looked upon to actually score... CAN HE DO IT??

[BballTim]

Lin is more along the lines of 8M so I'll exclude him from the discussion. The key thing to me is the ages.  Paul and Williams are roughly Rondo's age and in Williams' case he has really fallen off (Paul has declined ever so slightly too). So I don't mind paying Rondo the same amount as Wall, Westbrook, Irving, etc. if he were approximately the same age. However, we'll be paying Rondo on past performance if we reward him with a 5 year deal at max, or near max, money. He simply won't fulfill that contract with his play especially during the later years of the deal. His athletically reliant game isn't one that ages well and unlike other PG's, who can compensate with any decreased athleticism with their shooting, Rondo can't.

I would love to see a chart on how athletically dependent players say 6-3 and under have performed during ages 29-34, which is more or less the age Rondo will be with a 5 year deal. Iverson, Marbury, Lever, KJ, Pack, Hardaway, Tiny, and Francis are a few that immediately come to mind. Trying to think of others.

  Rondo's not athletically dependent like most of those guys were. You could say he's athletically dependent in the sense that all nba players are. But the thing that sets him apart from other players is his BBIQ, court vision and passing. He's averaged 11+ assists/game 3 times in his career. Other players that have include Nash, Stockton, Magic and Oscar. You should do a chart on how those guys did in that age range. I'll let you know if I think of any other players that fit in that category.

  An aside I suppose, but you don't know that Rondo's game is completely different than most of those players? Yikes.

Rondo is much smaller and/or a worse shooter than all of the guys you mentioned though.  As he ages he's going to really struggle to get by his defender because his shot won't force people to play up on him like Nash and Stockton and he won't be able to bully his way into the paint like Magic or Oscar.  I think that's what Eddie was getting at.  I won't deny Rondo is a genius, but he's not going to be able to take advantage of that brain if he's a total non-threat as scorer.

  Rondo struggled with his shooting this year due to health issues but he didn't struggle to get past his man. He was near the top of the league in drives per game despite a lack of explosiveness or lateral quickness, He also did it despite spending his time on the court with a collection of relatively poor shooters, none of whom draw much attention from opposing defenses.  I don't think there's much more to this claim than there was to the "Rondo will struggle to get assists if he's not surrounded by great shooters" that people repeated for years.

[Waew]

passes like CP3, rebounds like Westbrook, steals like Wall, and scores like Lin.

[BballTim]

Lin is more along the lines of 8M so I'll exclude him from the discussion. The key thing to me is the ages.  Paul and Williams are roughly Rondo's age and in Williams' case he has really fallen off (Paul has declined ever so slightly too). So I don't mind paying Rondo the same amount as Wall, Westbrook, Irving, etc. if he were approximately the same age. However, we'll be paying Rondo on past performance if we reward him with a 5 year deal at max, or near max, money. He simply won't fulfill that contract with his play especially during the later years of the deal. His athletically reliant game isn't one that ages well and unlike other PG's, who can compensate with any decreased athleticism with their shooting, Rondo can't.

I would love to see a chart on how athletically dependent players say 6-3 and under have performed during ages 29-34, which is more or less the age Rondo will be with a 5 year deal. Iverson, Marbury, Lever, KJ, Pack, Hardaway, Tiny, and Francis are a few that immediately come to mind. Trying to think of others.

  Rondo's not athletically dependent like most of those guys were. You could say he's athletically dependent in the sense that all nba players are. But the thing that sets him apart from other players is his BBIQ, court vision and passing. He's averaged 11+ assists/game 3 times in his career. Other players that have include Nash, Stockton, Magic and Oscar. You should do a chart on how those guys did in that age range. I'll let you know if I think of any other players that fit in that category.

  An aside I suppose, but you don't know that Rondo's game is completely different than most of those players? Yikes.

He definitely is athletically dependent. He uses his quick first step to breakdown defenses and set up teammates. Once he starts losing that explosiveness, as he continues to age his game, his game will drop off considerably. Comparing him to Nash and Stockton, two players that can really shoot, and Magic and Big O, two players that were huge for the spot, is not a very good comparable.

  He had no explosiveness this year and the only dropoff in his offensive game came from not shooting well, which is fairly understandable considering he was coming back from a knee injury. If you put last year's athletically hampered Rondo on the court with some good scorers and he'd pick apart defenses. He'll do the same thing when he's older.

[LilRip]

Rondo is currently underpaid. A 15M salary range sounds more appropriate, (projected over 5 years is about 75-80M). I doubt that he'll ask for something as low as that but who knows?

The case of Deron is a cautionary tale though. During his healthy years, there was debate as to whether it was CP3 or Dwill who was the best PG in the league, but multiple injuries makes the contract look terrible now. Rose is another example. Rondo is coming off injury and if he gets injured again, he might join them on that slippery slope.

[Waew]

i can see him signing for 17.5 per year