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Re: Jackie MacMullan "Rondo wants a max deal"
« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2014, 02:05:25 PM »

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I like her but how many times did she report kg would retire? Like 5?

She's a good writer but she never breaks anything newsworthy.

She's an analyst basically. She's not an investigative journalist like Woj.


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Re: Jackie MacMullan "Rondo wants a max deal"
« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2014, 02:11:15 PM »

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I like her but how many times did she report kg would retire? Like 5?

She's a good writer but she never breaks anything newsworthy.

She's an analyst basically. She's not an investigative journalist like Woj.

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This is exactly how I feel about her. I loved her beautifully and analytical stories written years ago, but now shes a step late in bringing in 'news,' and just repeats stuff that's pretty obvious. Kind of reminds me of certain websites online that just re-iterates obvious details and points that have been brought up constantly.
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Re: Jackie MacMullan "Rondo wants a max deal"
« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2014, 02:21:10 PM »

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I like her but how many times did she report kg would retire? Like 5?

She's a good writer but she never breaks anything newsworthy.

She's an analyst basically. She's not an investigative journalist like Woj.

That's not entirely true. She was the first one to say that KG was coming back last summer. I think she said he was going to retire several times because that's probably the direction KG was leaning following certain seasons.

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Re: Jackie MacMullan "Rondo wants a max deal"
« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2014, 02:29:55 PM »

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Well, whether or not she's right...let's just go on the pretense right now she is...how do YOU feel about Rondo getting a max deal?

My position...I love the guy and what he brings to the team.  I cannot imagine the Celtics without him at the moment.  Of course, I might would have said the same thing about Pierce last year.

This season's performance is what will determine my final answer.  If he returns to form completely, then I would be inclined to at least consider it for the next contract.  Our wins and losses this year would not be used in consideration as there are things you can't control and I'm not going to penalize him for it.

If he steps up to the challenge, leads this team as the face of the team, and helps inspire those who play around him to be better at their jobs, my checkbook is open.

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Re: Jackie MacMullan "Rondo wants a max deal"
« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2014, 02:30:37 PM »

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I like her but how many times did she report kg would retire? Like 5?

She's a good writer but she never breaks anything newsworthy.

She's an analyst basically. She's not an investigative journalist like Woj.

That's not entirely true. She was the first one to say that KG was coming back last summer. I think she said he was going to retire several times because that's probably the direction KG was leaning following certain seasons.

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Jackie Mac on CSNNE: "I'm hearing that Kevin Garnett is coming back for one more year... they're all waiting on KG"
6:51 PM - 30 May 2013

So she can just say something untrue a bunch of times, and then change her opinion and be right all of a sudden ?

Sounds like the same thing she is doing here . Rondo wants the max so he might get traded , but then again he might not get the max .

By the way does anyone honestly believe Danny has been actively trying to trade Rondo for the last 5 years ? Yes he offered him for CP3 and Curry , but that is much different than actively shopping him just to get rid of him, like she makes it sound . Those are two top 10 players in the league , of course Danny is going to do his job and improve anywhere he can.



Re: Jackie MacMullan "Rondo wants a max deal"
« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2014, 02:35:13 PM »

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I like her but how many times did she report kg would retire? Like 5?

She's a good writer but she never breaks anything newsworthy.

She's an analyst basically. She's not an investigative journalist like Woj.

That's not entirely true. She was the first one to say that KG was coming back last summer. I think she said he was going to retire several times because that's probably the direction KG was leaning following certain seasons.

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Jackie Mac on CSNNE: "I'm hearing that Kevin Garnett is coming back for one more year... they're all waiting on KG"
6:51 PM - 30 May 2013

So she can just say something untrue a bunch of times, and then change her opinion and be right all of a sudden ?

Sounds like the same thing she is doing here . Rondo wants the max so he might get traded , but then again he might not get the max .

By the way does anyone honestly believe Danny has been actively trying to trade Rondo for the last 5 years ? Yes he offered him for CP3 and Curry , but that is much different than actively shopping him just to get rid of him, like she makes it sound . Those are two top 10 players in the league , of course Danny is going to do his job and improve anywhere he can.
I am only going by the report, I didn't listen to the actual interview, but she doesn't make it seem like he's trying to dump him for 5 years.   "On and off" for 5 years.  On for CP3, off for a while, on for Curry, off for a while.  That's not trying to desperately dump him. 

Re: Jackie MacMullan "Rondo wants a max deal"
« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2014, 02:36:39 PM »

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Well, whether or not she's right...let's just go on the pretense right now she is...how do YOU feel about Rondo getting a max deal?

My position...I love the guy and what he brings to the team.  I cannot imagine the Celtics without him at the moment.  Of course, I might would have said the same thing about Pierce last year.

This season's performance is what will determine my final answer.  If he returns to form completely, then I would be inclined to at least consider it for the next contract.  Our wins and losses this year would not be used in consideration as there are things you can't control and I'm not going to penalize him for it.

If he steps up to the challenge, leads this team as the face of the team, and helps inspire those who play around him to be better at their jobs, my checkbook is open.

Rak

Rondo would be 29 1/2 by the time a deal is signed next summer. A 5 year deal at near max money for him is downright scary. He relies too much on his athletic ability to expect him to produce at a high level towards the last few years of that deal.

Perhaps he'd be willing to sign a 2 year deal in hopes of taking advantage of the higher cap that will be established with the new TV deal. I wouldn't have an issue paying him near max money in this circumstance. I just don't want to pay a player based on past success.

Re: Jackie MacMullan "Rondo wants a max deal"
« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2014, 02:37:22 PM »

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I used to look forward to Jackie's take on the Celtics, but really for that last few years her analysis just seems "distant"? for lack of a better word.

I mean, it's just weird to me that she essentially came away from the Boogie Cousins interview with the exact same speculation I had and doesn't offer much more than what we've heard speculated (and denied) for years.

Even if it's true, it's nothing new. What did she exactly add to the conversation (other than her name)?

A lot of speculation involves "common sense" opinions based on what people would do in a similar situation.  Someone like Jackie MacMullen theoretically has access to players and can form more involved speculation based on knowing when their personality quirks would lead them to deviate from "common sense".
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Re: Jackie MacMullan "Rondo wants a max deal"
« Reply #23 on: July 19, 2014, 02:39:00 PM »

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By the way does anyone honestly believe Danny has been actively trying to trade Rondo for the last 5 years ? Yes he offered him for CP3 and Curry , but that is much different than actively shopping him just to get rid of him, like she makes it sound . Those are two top 10 players in the league , of course Danny is going to do his job and improve anywhere he can.

I don't think Ainge has been desperate to get rid of Rondo.  I think he's only interested in trading Rondo if he gets back a player who he would be willing to give a max contract to or a draft pick that he considers highly likely to net such a player.  I think Ainge would give Rondo a bigger contract than most posters here would give him.
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Re: Jackie MacMullan "Rondo wants a max deal"
« Reply #24 on: July 19, 2014, 02:40:15 PM »

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So she can just say something untrue a bunch of times, and then change her opinion and be right all of a sudden ?

1.)  Yes, obviously.

2.)  What you say is "untrue", is something that's changeable.  Players vacillate on issues, and reporters take the fall because the general public forgets about how life works  Perhaps refresher courses on Brett Favre's multiple retirements should be mandatory for sports fans.


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Re: Jackie MacMullan "Rondo wants a max deal"
« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2014, 02:42:59 PM »

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I like her but how many times did she report kg would retire? Like 5?

She's a good writer but she never breaks anything newsworthy.

She's an analyst basically. She's not an investigative journalist like Woj.

That's not entirely true. She was the first one to say that KG was coming back last summer. I think she said he was going to retire several times because that's probably the direction KG was leaning following certain seasons.

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Jackie Mac on CSNNE: "I'm hearing that Kevin Garnett is coming back for one more year... they're all waiting on KG"
6:51 PM - 30 May 2013

So she can just say something untrue a bunch of times, and then change her opinion and be right all of a sudden ?

Sounds like the same thing she is doing here . Rondo wants the max so he might get traded , but then again he might not get the max .

By the way does anyone honestly believe Danny has been actively trying to trade Rondo for the last 5 years ? Yes he offered him for CP3 and Curry , but that is much different than actively shopping him just to get rid of him, like she makes it sound . Those are two top 10 players in the league , of course Danny is going to do his job and improve anywhere he can.

I think KG's changed his mind several times about retiring so her stories become fluid. Doesn't necessarily mean she was incorrect in what she reported at the time.

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There were also the ones with OKC and Detroit:

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According to Broussard, the C's offered the Thunder point guard Rajon Rondo and forward Jeff Green in exchange for point guard Russell Westbrook and center Kendrick Perkins.

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The Celtics offered Ray Allen and Rajon Rondo to the Detroit Pistons for a package that included Richard Hamilton, Tayshaun Prince and Rodney Stuckey, league sources told Yahoo! Sports.

Boston general manager Danny Ainge and Detroit's Joe Dumars never spoke, but rather the Celtics had a lower-level executive make the pitch to a Pistons official over the past weekend, league sources said. Detroit immediately rejected the idea, and it never advanced to the two top executives speaking about particulars.

Re: Jackie MacMullan "Rondo wants a max deal"
« Reply #26 on: July 19, 2014, 02:51:39 PM »

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Aside form the max contract stuff, which others have claimed, I don;t see what she said that was new.  Everyone in the league wants to play for a big market contender, We know Ainge has tried to trade Rondo at least once (CP3) and at least half the people on Earth who have heard of Rondo thinks he's going to get traded.  So what makes her have something against Rondo and/or not know what she is talking about??

The big market contender idea:

What about Rondo, Sullinger, the rights to Young, and two picks for

Taj, Butler, and filler (Snell)


They have done a good job drafting late in the first round with Butler and Taj.  Rondo could be their PG and take the pressure of Rose, who could use his energy to attack the basket.  Are Taj and Butler expendable with McDermott and Mirotic coming in?

Them:

Rondo. Brooks
Rose.  Kirk
McDermott. Dunleavy . Young
Gasol.  Mirotic
Noah.  Sullinger


Butler and Taj could be our forwards or we could keep Green and have a pretty nice 3 man rotation.  Still need a center.  Bradley and Smart would start at the guard spots, still need a shooter at SG of the bench, Thornton will have to do for now. 

Smart. Pressey
Bradley. Thornton
Butler.  Green.  Wallace
Taj.  (Green). Bass
Zeller. Olynyk.

I think this would really speed up our rebuild.  It's worth giving up two good picks.  Taj and Butler are really good athletes with Smart and Bradley too we would be great on defense.  Need Smart and Green to carry scoring.

Re: Jackie MacMullan "Rondo wants a max deal"
« Reply #27 on: July 19, 2014, 02:58:40 PM »

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I don't know. When everybody was so sure that Love coming here was all but done after he spent that weekend here, Jackie was really the first to say that it might not be so close. And she specifically noted that we may not have what Flip wants and that he might be looking for more seasoned players and that Taylor may not want to make another deal with Boston again. These things have since been corroborated by other outlets as well. I'd say Jackie still has quite a few sources and she is still at the top of her game.
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Re: Jackie MacMullan "Rondo wants a max deal"
« Reply #28 on: July 19, 2014, 02:59:26 PM »

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Personally, I want Rondo to go out and play next season like a player who wants a big contract in the off-season. 

How he plays will determine what he gets offered, not what a bunch of reporters are speculating that he's asking for.
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Re: Jackie MacMullan "Rondo wants a max deal"
« Reply #29 on: July 19, 2014, 03:04:17 PM »

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Aside form the max contract stuff, which others have claimed, I don;t see what she said that was new.  Everyone in the league wants to play for a big market contender, We know Ainge has tried to trade Rondo at least once (CP3) and at least half the people on Earth who have heard of Rondo thinks he's going to get traded.  So what makes her have something against Rondo and/or not know what she is talking about??

The big market contender idea:

What about Rondo, Sullinger, the rights to Young, and two picks for

Taj, Butler, and filler (Snell)

I think this would really speed up our rebuild.  It's worth giving up two good picks.  Taj and Butler are really good athletes with Smart and Bradley too we would be great on defense.  Need Smart and Green to carry scoring.

I have to ask...are you a Bulls fan?

Gibson is not that much better than Sullinger as is. He's also 29. So then to continue breaking down the trade it would be Rondo, Young, 2 picks for Butler and cap filler?