This whiny self entitled fan base is starting to tick me off

[gpap]

Ainge has been planning for 2015 the whole time, collecting assets, clearing salary so that we can create some real "fireworks" next summer....the Love situation just happened to come up now and its dannys job to try and get some work there. and, technically until he's on a different team ainge is going to have his hands in that pot

theres potential to be alot of solid free agents in 2015-16 off-season.

Maybe. OR 2016 possibly.

I've noticed the free agents in the summer of '16 are even better than those of '15.

[Mr October]

Ainge has been planning for 2015 the whole time, collecting assets, clearing salary so that we can create some real "fireworks" next summer....the Love situation just happened to come up now and its dannys job to try and get some work there. and, technically until he's on a different team ainge is going to have his hands in that pot

theres potential to be alot of solid free agents in 2015-16 off-season.

Maybe. OR 2016 possibly.

I've noticed the free agents in the summer of '16 are even better than those of '15.

The correct plan is to stay flexible, collect tradeable assets, and be ready to strike on a trade before each of those summers.

In the meantime try to win and develop your team so that 1 or 2 of those players want to come here in free agency.

Each class offers a differnt pool of intersting players. We just have to hope a couple of them get sick of their current team.

[cman88]

I could be wrong, but green has an opt out for next year. considering the deals SF are getting these days I wouldnt be surprised if he opts out next year as well and we have roughly 45million$ in cap space to throw around.

Marc Gasol is a solid target I would go after.

[Beat LA]

I could be wrong, but green has an opt out for next year. considering the deals SF are getting these days I wouldnt be surprised if he opts out next year as well and we have roughly 45million$ in cap space to throw around.

Marc Gasol is a solid target I would go after.

I believe that Phil Jackson will also be targeting him, so in other words, he won't be coming here.  Sigh.

[joepatsfan]

Agreed.

I will bleed green no matter what and am accepting the rebuild and going to take it openly.

Like others have said, I cant wait to watch these young players grow and develop.

[LB3533]

This is the same fan base that shredded DA for getting rid of Antoine Walker, don't forget.

I don't mean to be the one to stand up for Antoine, but Raef was on a five year deal on what was essentially a max contract back then coming off major knee surgery. It was a huge mid-step by Ainge would could have just dumped Antoine for an expiring if that was his intention.

Also, Antoine was the leader during the only exciting time in a 15-17 year period. You may not have liked his game, but he did good things for the Cs during an otherwise underwhelming time.

Antoine was the leader during this only exciting time, but he was a majorly flawed player, and like Danny said when he first became the GM here, this Celtics team had reached their ceiling and were not going to win a title.  Yeah we can enjoy the playoff berths and some excitement, but at the end of the day this is the Boston Celtics, we're here to win NBA championships.  Antoine had to go, itd be impossible to get to the next level with his style of play at the salary he was making.

So getting back to your point.  Yes, the trade wasnt the greatest in the world and you can find plenty of negatives about it, but I LOVE the idea of the trade, and its what makes Danny a championship GM.  SO many GMs in the league would have rode that Antoine and Paul team right into the ground until it was time to rebuild again....and keep in mind contracts and players acquired in the Antoine trade were used to acquire KG and Ray Allen.

I'm an Antoine apologist, just to be upfront about it.

Danny traded Antoine away because of Danny's own personal opinions about Antoine's "[negative] grasp on the Celtic franchise". (Danny's words, not mine).

Danny went on to run his mouth, saying that if Antoine was Michael Jordon or Larry Bird or Bill Russell, it would be "okay" to have a grasp on the franchise.

So basically, Danny traded Antoine away because Antoine wasn't Michael Jordon or Larry Bird or Bill Russell.

Enough of Antoine.....except Danny wasn't done with him, cause he traded for him back. Weird. I know.

Except it wasn't really that weird. Re-trading for Antoine re-paired the Pierce/Walker duo (PLUS we still had WALTAH!)

But now you have much better talent surrounding them. Now you have a Raef Lafrentz versus Vitaly/Battie.

Now you have Ricky Davis versus Eric Willams.

Gary Payton versus Kenny Anderson? I say a wash, but I lean to Gary over Kenny since Gary's body of work was far talented and more spectacular than Kenny Anderson's body of work.

And let's not forget the youngsters: Big Al Jefferson, Jiri Welsch, Tony Allen, Delonte West, Marcus Banks.

What youngsters did Jim O'Brien have to work with? Ohhh right, Antoine and Paul Pierce.

The biggest important key trade in Danny Ainge's tenure was the trade he DID NOT make.

After an injury riddled 24 win season, Paul Pierce requested for a trade. If I recall correctly: that talks involving Portland and LA Clippers were involved.

If Ainge does trade Pierce away, there would be no trade for Ray Allen, no trade for KG.

Another key component to the champion B.OP Danny Ainge was.......Kevin McHale. If it were anyone else besides McHale, there is virtually no chance another GM would have KG traded to us for that package.

Back to 2014-2015. Do we have any youngsters on their way to be a Paul Pierce, what about just an Antoine Walker? Do any of our youngsters have the potential to turn out to be All-Stars? Do any of our youngsters have a chance to be a Tim Duncan? A David Robinson? A Dirk Nowitzki? Or "just" a Tony Parker? Just a Manu Ginoboli? These are the drafted players that won 'chips with their drafted team. Even the Pistons didn't draft Chauncy or Rip or Sheed.

You don't win 'chips very much with the draft. You win 'chips with acquiring talent through FA or trade.

[Beat LA]

This is the same fan base that shredded DA for getting rid of Antoine Walker, don't forget.

I don't mean to be the one to stand up for Antoine, but Raef was on a five year deal on what was essentially a max contract back then coming off major knee surgery. It was a huge mid-step by Ainge would could have just dumped Antoine for an expiring if that was his intention.

Also, Antoine was the leader during the only exciting time in a 15-17 year period. You may not have liked his game, but he did good things for the Cs during an otherwise underwhelming time.

Antoine was the leader during this only exciting time, but he was a majorly flawed player, and like Danny said when he first became the GM here, this Celtics team had reached their ceiling and were not going to win a title.  Yeah we can enjoy the playoff berths and some excitement, but at the end of the day this is the Boston Celtics, we're here to win NBA championships.  Antoine had to go, itd be impossible to get to the next level with his style of play at the salary he was making.

So getting back to your point.  Yes, the trade wasnt the greatest in the world and you can find plenty of negatives about it, but I LOVE the idea of the trade, and its what makes Danny a championship GM.  SO many GMs in the league would have rode that Antoine and Paul team right into the ground until it was time to rebuild again....and keep in mind contracts and players acquired in the Antoine trade were used to acquire KG and Ray Allen.

I'm an Antoine apologist, just to be upfront about it.

Danny traded Antoine away because of Danny's own personal opinions about Antoine's "[negative] grasp on the Celtic franchise". (Danny's words, not mine).

Danny went on to run his mouth, saying that if Antoine was Michael Jordon or Larry Bird or Bill Russell, it would be "okay" to have a grasp on the franchise.

So basically, Danny traded Antoine away because Antoine wasn't Michael Jordon or Larry Bird or Bill Russell.

Enough of Antoine.....except Danny wasn't done with him, cause he traded for him back. Weird. I know.

Except it wasn't really that weird. Re-trading for Antoine re-paired the Pierce/Walker duo (PLUS we still had WALTAH!)

But now you have much better talent surrounding them. Now you have a Raef Lafrentz versus Vitaly/Battie.

Now you have Ricky Davis versus Eric Willams.

Gary Payton versus Kenny Anderson? I say a wash, but I lean to Gary over Kenny since Gary's body of work was far talented and more spectacular than Kenny Anderson's body of work.

And let's not forget the youngsters: Big Al Jefferson, Jiri Welsch, Tony Allen, Delonte West, Marcus Banks.

What youngsters did Jim O'Brien have to work with? Ohhh right, Antoine and Paul Pierce.

The biggest important key trade in Danny Ainge's tenure was the trade he DID NOT make.

After an injury riddled 24 win season, Paul Pierce requested for a trade. If I recall correctly: that talks involving Portland and LA Clippers were involved.

If Ainge does trade Pierce away, there would be no trade for Ray Allen, no trade for KG.

Another key component to the champion B.OP Danny Ainge was.......Kevin McHale. If it were anyone else besides McHale, there is virtually no chance another GM would have KG traded to us for that package.

Back to 2014-2015. Do we have any youngsters on their way to be a Paul Pierce, what about just an Antoine Walker? Do any of our youngsters have the potential to turn out to be All-Stars? Do any of our youngsters have a chance to be a Tim Duncan? A David Robinson? A Dirk Nowitzki? Or "just" a Tony Parker? Just a Manu Ginoboli? These are the drafted players that won 'chips with their drafted team. Even the Pistons didn't draft Chauncy or Rip or Sheed.

You don't win 'chips very much with the draft. You win 'chips with acquiring talent through FA or trade.

He had Joe Johnson, too, who played quite effectively when given consistent playing time.  That was the duo, Johnson and Pierce, not Walker and Pierce.

[Celtics4ever]

I was glad to see Antione go, very inefficient and never in shape when the season started.   One had to like his guts but at times his shot selection was horrible.  Walter bugged me as well chucking threes when he was not that good at them.  Sully gets under my skin in that regard as well. 

Potapneko was the only C, I actually hated to see wear the green.  Some of the worst hands I have ever seen on a big.   How can a guy be that big and active and not get more than 5 RPG?

[Beat LA]

I was glad to see Antione go, very inefficient and never in shape when the season started.   One had to like his guts but at times his shot selection was horrible.  Walter bugged me as well chucking threes when he was not that good at them.  Sully gets under my skin in that regard as well. 

Potapneko was the only C, I actually hated to see wear the green.  Some of the worst hands I have ever seen on a big.   How can a guy be that big and active and not get more than 5 RPG?

Antoine seemed like the classic tweener - almost a shorter Lamar Odom, but without the jump shot or the ability to create a shot for himself (very well, at least). 

[LB3533]

I remember our team taking NJ to 6 games but losing - being a bit overmatched by Kenyon Martin Prime and JKidd.

Even fans forget.......no disrespect.

In that '01-'02 ECF 6 Games,



K-Mart AVGed     MPG 38.8    PPG 14.3    RPG 5.2    APG 3.2    SPG 1.7    BLK 1.2

On shooting         FG% 0.353    3FG% 0.500 (1-2)        FT% 0.676 (37 FTA total)



Toine AVGed       MPG 44.7    PPG 22.5    RPG 9.8    APG 3.7    STL 2.3    BLK 0.5

On shooting         FG% 0.385    3FG% 0.333 (14-42)    FT% 0.700 (30 FTA total)


Toine out produced & was more efficeint than K-Mart.




PP AVGed:          MPG 43.8    PPG 23.7    RPG 8.5    APG 3.8    SPG 1.8    BLK 1.3

On shooting         FG% 0.364    3FG% 0.211  (8-38)   FT% 0.684 (54-79)



JKidd AVGed:      MPG 42.0    PPG 17.5    RPG 11.2    APG 10.2    SPG 1.0    BLK 0.3

On shooting:         FG% 0.407    3FG%  0.185    FT% 0.765


Kidd avg a triple double in the series. This is why we lost the series. Pierce wasn't shooting like his normal self. (How do you shoot worse than Antoine?)

Link: http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2002_ECF.html#NJN-BOS


K-Mart's superb play was the following playoffs, we got swept 0-4 in the  EC Semis here: http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2003_ECS.html

[LB3533]

He had Joe Johnson, too, who played quite effectively when given consistent playing time.  That was the duo, Johnson and Pierce, not Walker and Pierce.

Johnson played 48 games and lost his starting job to Kedrick "bleeping" Brown, whom the front office, including Jim O'Brien preferred to keep over Joe Johnson, despite Phoenix wanting Kedrick more.

Joe eventually turned into a stud, but not a Paul Pierce.

[jaketwice]

These self-aggrandizing moonpies talking about how great it will be to be a contender in 5 years are starting to p--- me off. Really? You're looking forward to watching a literally TERRIBLE team for the next five years? Next three years? Maybe we could sign some more guards!

You people won't be happy until our tallest player is 6'3" and shoots free throws like a seven year old. Then we would be REALLY bad!!!!

 

[Greenbean]

These self-aggrandizing moonpies talking about how great it will be to be a contender in 5 years are starting to p--- me off. Really? You're looking forward to watching a literally TERRIBLE team for the next five years? Next three years? Maybe we could sign some more guards!

You people won't be happy until our tallest player is 6'3" and shoots free throws like a seven year old. Then we would be REALLY bad!!!!

 

I havent been this active on CB in years... How long has it been this trollish? I mean this is a thread obviously about posters complaining ab each other, but every other thread is infected with this childish crap.

I started posting on this site the last time we were rebuilding and it was actually possible to disagree with other posters without painting such broad strokes about a whole fanbase.

[Beat LA]

He had Joe Johnson, too, who played quite effectively when given consistent playing time.  That was the duo, Johnson and Pierce, not Walker and Pierce.

Johnson played 48 games and lost his starting job to Kedrick "bleeping" Brown, whom the front office, including Jim O'Brien preferred to keep over Joe Johnson, despite Phoenix wanting Kedrick more.

Joe eventually turned into a stud, but not a Paul Pierce.

May I ask how he lost his starting job to Brown?  I've checked the game logs, and Joe played pretty well, and really well in games against the Wizards, Pacers, and Bucks, and then all of a sudden, like a week or two before he was traded, he's only playing 12-15 minutes a night off of the bench.

[GreenFaith1819]

I remember our team taking NJ to 6 games but losing - being a bit overmatched by Kenyon Martin Prime and JKidd.

Even fans forget.......no disrespect.

In that '01-'02 ECF 6 Games,



K-Mart AVGed     MPG 38.8    PPG 14.3    RPG 5.2    APG 3.2    SPG 1.7    BLK 1.2

On shooting         FG% 0.353    3FG% 0.500 (1-2)        FT% 0.676 (37 FTA total)



Toine AVGed       MPG 44.7    PPG 22.5    RPG 9.8    APG 3.7    STL 2.3    BLK 0.5

On shooting         FG% 0.385    3FG% 0.333 (14-42)    FT% 0.700 (30 FTA total)


Toine out produced & was more efficeint than K-Mart.




PP AVGed:          MPG 43.8    PPG 23.7    RPG 8.5    APG 3.8    SPG 1.8    BLK 1.3

On shooting         FG% 0.364    3FG% 0.211  (8-38)   FT% 0.684 (54-79)



JKidd AVGed:      MPG 42.0    PPG 17.5    RPG 11.2    APG 10.2    SPG 1.0    BLK 0.3

On shooting:         FG% 0.407    3FG%  0.185    FT% 0.765


Kidd avg a triple double in the series. This is why we lost the series. Pierce wasn't shooting like his normal self. (How do you shoot worse than Antoine?)

Link: http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2002_ECF.html#NJN-BOS


K-Mart's superb play was the following playoffs, we got swept 0-4 in the  EC Semis here: http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2003_ECS.html

Good look-up Man thx.