Venting

[bdm860]

For people complaining Danny isn't making moves, sometimes the best moves are the ones you don't make.  Not every move ends up moving the team forward.  Many moves that teams make end up hurting the team or getting them stuck in the mud.

Look at the Pistons, they made moves.  They traded their big name player in Billups for another big name player in Iverson when that team stopped moving forward.  They signed 2 of the best free agents available in 2009 in Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva, then in 2013 they again signed 2 of the best free agents in Josh Smith and Brandon Jennings.  And where exactly has this gotten them?

Look at the Knicks, they never stopped making moves.  They made a lot of big moves trading or signing for Keith Van Horn, Mutombo, Marbury, Steve Francis, Zach Randolph, Eddy Curry, Carmelo Anthony, Amare Stoudemire, Jerome James, Tyson Chandler, Josh Smith, etc.  Where has that gotten them?

Look at Philly, they traded for All-Stars like Chris Webber and Andrew Bynum, they traded away All-Stars like Allen Iverson, Andre Iguodala, and Jrue Holiday, they signed the best free agent on the market in 2008 with Elton Brand.  Where did all that get them?

Look at Milwaukee, they seem to make moves every year trading for John Salmons, Corey Maggette, Stephen Jackson, Monta Ellis, JJ Reddick, Caron Butler.  Signing OJ Mayo, Drew Gooden, Mike Dunleavy.  Some of their fans got so mad that they were always making moves for mediocre players that they raised money for a billboard telling the team to tank instead.

Just got to face it, sometimes it's better to make no moves at all than to make bad moves.

[Chris22]

Danny is a genius.
I am very optimistic about the future.
A nice young team this year and the Nets picks going forward.

[freshinthehouse]

Why is the plan, why do we have so many guards and pf?

Do we really have that many guards?  I count Rondo, AB, Pressey, Thornton, and Smart.  Young can play SG/SF.  Johnson and Babb are roster fodder.  And as for PFs, far as I can tell we have three (Bass, Sully, KO).  You can have up to 15 players under contract.  Is having three of any position that big of a deal?

Why can't we go after players like, Melo, LeBron, Durant, Howard, not that I want some of them but as examples.

Because we don't have cap room. 

[Beat LA]

TP

I totally understand what you are saying. People are delusional here. They are not understand  that they were lucky to see the Big 3 of Ray Allen, Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett. 3 hall of famers, who are just over their prime managed to win the championship, and be a top dog in the league for a 5 year period. It's once in a lifetime thing.

TP.  I think Bob Ryan said it best when he described the assembling of the Big Three as the rarest of exceptions and not the rule (I can't remember his exact words right now).  I love the threads about finding 'the next Ray Allen.'  There isn't one.  That was an incredible set of circumstances and chain of events that led to that 07-08 team, so the idea that we can just do it again, however far down the road, is ridiculous, imo. 

Now, had we drafted better, we wouldn't be in this position right now, but we are where we are, unfortunately. 

[Sketch5]

For people complaining Danny isn't making moves, sometimes the best moves are the ones you don't make.  Not every move ends up moving the team forward.  Many moves that teams make end up hurting the team or getting them stuck in the mud.

Look at the Pistons, they made moves.  They traded their big name player in Billups for another big name player in Iverson when that team stopped moving forward.  They signed 2 of the best free agents available in 2009 in Ben Gordon and Charlie Villanueva, then in 2013 they again signed 2 of the best free agents in Josh Smith and Brandon Jennings.  And where exactly has this gotten them?

Look at the Knicks, they never stopped making moves.  They made a lot of big moves trading or signing for Keith Van Horn, Mutombo, Marbury, Steve Francis, Zach Randolph, Eddy Curry, Carmelo Anthony, Amare Stoudemire, Jerome James, Tyson Chandler, Josh Smith, etc.  Where has that gotten them?

Look at Philly, they traded for All-Stars like Chris Webber and Andrew Bynum, they traded away All-Stars like Allen Iverson, Andre Iguodala, and Jrue Holiday, they signed the best free agent on the market in 2008 with Elton Brand.  Where did all that get them?

Look at Milwaukee, they seem to make moves every year trading for John Salmons, Corey Maggette, Stephen Jackson, Monta Ellis, JJ Reddick, Caron Butler.  Signing OJ Mayo, Drew Gooden, Mike Dunleavy.  Some of their fans got so mad that they were always making moves for mediocre players that they raised money for a billboard telling the team to tank instead.

Just got to face it, sometimes it's better to make no moves at all than to make bad moves.

Yep. Look at Huston this year. Gave up Lin and Parsons for Bosh and didn't get him. Lins not  a big loss, but Parsons sure is. And some people hear wanted Morey for our GM and Kick DA out after he pulled off the Howard move.

[rocknrollforyoursoul]

Why is the plan, why do we have so many guards and pf?

Do we really have that many guards?  I count Rondo, AB, Pressey, Thornton, and Smart.  Young can play SG/SF.  Johnson and Babb are roster fodder.  And as for PFs, far as I can tell we have three (Bass, Sully, KO).  You can have up to 15 players under contract.  Is having three of any position that big of a deal?

Why can't we go after players like, Melo, LeBron, Durant, Howard, not that I want some of them but as examples.

Because we don't have cap room.

You're right about having 3 guys at each position--the "ideal" NBA roster of 15 involves 3 guys at each of the 5 positions. Last season, though, we had 4 PFs with Hump, and now, even with the addition of Zeller, we have only 2 legit centers (not counting Iverson, who may not be good enough to make the team).

[Quetzalcoatl]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRTkCHE1sS4

Okay so Veruca Salt is clearly all the people whining on CelticsBlog
Flip Saunders is Willy Wonka but only for the duration of this clip, normally he's Augustus Gloop
Charlie is the patient CelticsBloggers
Phil Pressey is the Oompa Loompas
Mr. Salt is Chris Broussard's Twitter account

[puskas54_10]

TP

I totally understand what you are saying. People are delusional here. They are not understand  that they were lucky to see the Big 3 of Ray Allen, Paul Pierce and Kevin Garnett. 3 hall of famers, who are just over their prime managed to win the championship, and be a top dog in the league for a 5 year period. It's once in a lifetime thing.

My favourite player was/is Ray Allen and the Big 3 formed I said myself: they will win it all. and they won. The early 2000's seasons i rooted for the mavs and when they beat spurs and reached the finals I felt there is no way they lose to Miami. We know what happened. Refs made Wade a hero... Next year they lost to warriors, I thought the mavs window closed. Happily the Boston Big 3 was formed so I felt Ray Allen can get his ring. We know what happened. And when the Boston Big 3 window closed Nowitzki and the Mavs returned and beat the heavy favourites Miami Heat. Next Year Ray Allen made the game 6 shot and get his second.
All I want to say that I'm happy to be able to see such great teams as the 2007-2012 celtics (and those mavs teams that I wrote about). And I don't think people are aware of that the kind of greatness we saw from those celtics team will not come in the close future. I easily see a 20 year title drought in the celtics case.

TP for calling out the refs in that first DAL / MIA series. Wade was awesome but got to the line WAY too much. What, like 30 times a game? Ha! Worst offense ever was game 6 SAC vs LAL. SAC should have a title.

I don't understand why the refs favored so much the Lakers. Why is it good to have a paperchampion, when anybody who has eyes knows the kings were robbed big time.
Just compare the Miami vs San Antonio finals last two years. San Antonio got more calls, but the bigger stars were on Miami. So you would think Miami have the free throw anvantage, but no. I don't understand how refs do their job. Maybe the refs fear Popovich.
I guarantee you when the Lakers in the finals the next time they will get favourable officiating.

[Celtics4ever]

Here is the proper way to vent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfdJdZ5_guM

[kraidstar]

For people complaining Danny isn't making moves, sometimes the best moves are the ones you don't make.  Not every move ends up moving the team forward.  Many moves that teams make end up hurting the team or getting them stuck in the mud.

+10000000000
people keep saying, "why aren't we making moves?!?"
which moves, exactly? ainge tried his best to get love, but cleveland has a better offer.
lebron wanted to go back to cleveland.
melo is staying home in NY. but i can guarantee danny would have signed any of those guys if he'd had the chance.
with those superstars off the table, what are these magic moves that would push us into contention? and please don't say role players like asik, gortat, etc, those guys would eat up cap space while at best giving us a .500 record/first round exit and no shot at a high pick.
we also don't have cap space for a big free agent (largely due to trying to contend late into the KG era and saddling ourselves with contracts), and so far we haven't been able to trade for a star. the only other alternative is the draft. thankfully, due to danny's sense of direction we have solid young players tons of picks, and that is DESPITE us picking late in the draft and having no cap room year after year. what danny has done is nothing short of amazing, he took late draft picks and old, overpaid players and turned them into a bunch of nice assets. now what exactly would you have done differently?

[SHAQATTACK]

NBA

Requires luck and assets .Cleveland won like four lotteries and James is a homer to OHio.......incredible luck

Celtics suck at the lottery ......DA won't tank right.......he wasted the year ...saving green and bass..

Should have dumped all the role players and tried of a certain top three pick.......

DA made a huge mistake not tanking to limit

Now Celtics will not only loose Rondo....they didn't get a top three pick


I'm not impressed with DA judgement last year.

We are predicting nearly everything he does wrong TOO easy

[Robb]

Billy I said it before... Ainge spoiled the fanbase.  There's that whole "3-5 year plan" cliche that new ownership/GM's say when they take over a team.  Ainge took over in 2003 and by 2007 we had a contender in place (although one with a tiny window).  He deserves credit for actually following through on the BS "3-5 year" plan.  When have you seen someone actually succeed at that?  Some teams toil away in mediocrity for decades. 

So the fanbase wrongfully believed this was 2007 all over again.  We got ourselves a team full of assets... clearly that means we're going to flip them all for superstars.   Wrong.  This is 2003.  This is day 1 all over again.  We blew it up and we're building with mediocre assets.  It's going to take a few years to even acquire the pieces that can be flipped for stars.   We might get lucky Summer 2015... but folks who thought this was going to be an easy/quick turnaround were off-base.   We need to accept that barring another miracle set of moves by Ainge (in a few years), we could be looking at a team that might suck for 20 years.  This team probably will not crack 40 wins anytime soon.

I don't entirely agree.  I would suggest that our assets this year are better than they were in 2007.  We had the assets in 2007 to take advantage of the Sonics and Wolves blowing their teams up.  We have the assets in 2014 to do it, but this year there is no one ready to tear it down and start over.  The only thing different between this summer and 2007 is that there are no teams *starting* a rebuild. 

I agree with patience.  This is a process and rushing something to make up for marketing-driven "fireworks" isn't going to get us anywhere.

[Mr October]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRTkCHE1sS4

Okay so Veruca Salt is clearly all the people whining on CelticsBlog
Flip Saunders is Willy Wonka but only for the duration of this clip, normally he's Augustus Gloop
Charlie is the patient CelticsBloggers
Phil Pressey is the Oompa Loompas
Mr. Salt is Chris Broussard's Twitter account

TP. You might need to drop that clip into every "i want it now!" thread.

[loco_91]

go ahead and vent. Have to disagree about Smart, though, there was absolutely no other candidate at that spot. He showed everything but shooting in the SL, so no news there.

Also wouldn't dismiss Olynyk so quickly, a 7ft shooter is really valuable. He's a great fit for motion because he's also such a good passer.

And don't forget all our picks. There's really no question that this team will improve dramatically; it's just a question of when.

[freshinthehouse]

NBA
Should have dumped all the role players and tried of a certain top three pick.......

There's no such thing as a certain top three pick in the draft lottery.  Even the worst team is guaranteed no better than fourth.