James Young "Injury"

[BudweiserCeltic]

Hey trade partners... in here we have a young man by the name of James Young. He was recently in a minor car accident where he suffered a minor neck injury with concussion-like symptoms. But don't worry, we're holding him out of Summer League so that he doesn't tweak an ankle.

So, are you, my trade partner, interested in trading for him?

[Mikedmx6]

Look the poster had a simple question. Just because you might not think there's conspiracy theories out there doesn't mean you need to bash and call fellow posters out.  This blog has become so unfair and judgemental it's sad. I personally guarantee in my eyes that there is something going on with this team.  Bradley's deal hasn't been officially announced for a reason, no way ainge is paying a defensive specialist 8 million a season.  It's obviously to make money work somewhere along the way, there's ways around the cba and yes every gm knows this.  James young may or may not be here next season who really knows.  We are all on here stating opinions on our future celtics teams so why don't you guys try and stick to positive non hurtful comments.

[D.o.s.]

Bradley's deal hasn't been officially announced yet because they can't announce it until the Moratorium's officially over. Until then, even if they've agreed, its all "contract negotiations." Like many other things -- once you understand how a system works, the magical mystery tour leaves town.

Further, I honestly enjoy a good, well thought out piece of conspiracy theory/speculative fiction/etc., but this isn't that. I agree that being civil is a good idea, though.

[paidthecost2betheboss]

Look the poster had a simple question. Just because you might not think there's conspiracy theories out there doesn't mean you need to bash and call fellow posters out.  This blog has become so unfair and judgemental it's sad. I personally guarantee in my eyes that there is something going on with this team.  Bradley's deal hasn't been officially announced for a reason, no way ainge is paying a defensive specialist 8 million a season.  It's obviously to make money work somewhere along the way, there's ways around the cba and yes every gm knows this.  James young may or may not be here next season who really knows.  We are all on here stating opinions on our future celtics teams so why don't you guys try and stick to positive non hurtful comments.

TP


On topic:

S.A.S
5/6/13

Listen: I said what's being talked about, scenarios that are being contemplated. Can't rule anything out W/ Clips/Celts. Absolutely nothing!

— Stephen A Smith (@stephenasmith) May 6, 2013

(3 weeks later...no contact between Doc and Celts after crazy rumor)

The man who broke the rumor sits across from the guy in the rumor and proceeds to not mention anything...about the huge elephant in the room



5/31/13

During an appearance Friday on ESPN New York Radio with Stephen A. Smith and Ryan Ruocco, Boston Celtics head coach Doc Rivers discussed the Eastern Conference landscape but wasn't questioned once about the elephant in the room -- whether Rivers will return to the Celtics next season.

Rivers fielded questions about the playoffs and the rise of physically imposing teams in the East, but wasn't asked at all about his status as head coach in Boston.

S.A.S
6/10/13

"The bottom line is the relationship has worn on one another," Smith said. "It's not one of those situations where Doc Rivers does not like or does not respect Danny Ainge. It's nothing like that. It's just that when you're working with somebody for years and years and years, sometimes you're willing to entertain new challenges."

Folks on here were saying it was crazy, it was Danny forcing Doc out and Danny should be canned and a host of other stuff.

It was crystal clear by the end of that interview with S.A.S (enough for Danny to meet Doc  right away...not like the results and fire of a expectation of performance letter...that Doc says he's sure he got but never opened.) Doc was gone.


So
May 31 2013
Nobody had any reason to doubt what was unfolding. But they did. They rolled eyes and "LOL' and stuff like in this thread.



Young? Who knows?
Folks acting like the bizzare doesn't happen around here are new, have short memories or are in denial.

They did it a year ago...it's nothing new.

Don't stress em'


and yeah...TP

[saltlover]

Bradley's deal hasn't been officially announced yet because they can't announce it until the Moratorium's officially over. Until then, even if they've agreed, its all "contract negotiations." Like many other things -- once you understand how a system works, the magical mystery tour leaves town.

Further, I honestly enjoy a good, well thought out piece of conspiracy theory/speculative fiction/etc., but this isn't that. I agree that being civil is a good idea, though.

As I said at the beginning of this thread, I do think its possible that there is a deal, but unlikely.  That said, the moratorium doesn't explain much one way or the other.  James Young hasn't yet signed a contract, so he can be traded at any time.  When he signs his contract, he is ineligible to be traded for 30 days.  Furthermore, draft picks signing rookie contracts are the only contracts that are allowed to be signed during the moratorium.  So that he hasn't (and Smart hasn't) signed one isn't insignificant.  Olynyk signed his last year before summer league, for instance, as did (I think) Sullinger and Melo the year prior.  This could be because there's a deal already made. Or this could be because they're still working on a deal and want to keep their options open.  Or this could be because they don't want to give the players 120% of their slot value (which the Celtics always have as long as I can remember) so as to keep some salary clear while they make other trades and signings.  Or this could be because they're still negotiating the contract, and are waiting for his neck to heal before signing something.

Again, I don't think it's terribly likely that there's any reason other than he's injured, and Occam's razor is probably the rule of thumb here.  But the facts are that he hasn't played, he hasn't signed his contract, and that at a minimum, and we know Ainge is still trying to make trades.  To think that Young is being held out because of a trade, either agreed to already or in the final stages of negotiations, shouldn't strain credulity all that much so as to be seen as a conspiracy theory.

[RLewis35]

The car accident was legitimate.  It was a hit and run.  Danny Ainge was driving the other car.

TP. Hilarious. 

[YoungOne87]

http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2014/07/james_young_ruled_out_of_2014.html

he was just ruled out of summer league.

too bad, really wanted to see him play

[Celts Fan 508]

I am usually not big on conspiracy theories but I just have this feeling that he is not actually injured but rather being held out because he has been promised in a trade.

Is that even possible by CBA rules?

It seems like a pretty elaborate cover up if that is in fact what is going on.

So Young fakes a car accident before the draft, so he doesn't work out for some teams and causes him  to slip in the draft and costing himself money, knowing that the Celtics would draft him to trade him.  I don't think you are far off, I think he knows that we never landed on the moon and threatened to unleash that information on the public so the NBA is allowing him to rest.

[Greenbean]

When i read the op conspiracy theory, i wasnt thinking that the celts were "staging" a car accident , but rather embellishing the severity of the neck injury.

To be honest, if they are not exaggerating the injury for some unknown reason, i am pretty worried that this kid has been sitting with no bball activities for a month with a strained neck. It doesnt seem typical unless there are concussion symptoms. Even with concussion symptoms, a month is a long time. 

[Sketch5]

If anything, they might be keeping Young out because they really like his potential, and if he killed it like everyone was saying, they don't want other teams sniffing around when they are trying to make a trade.

I mean if Young can throw up 20ppg with in a couple years, and become a Allen type out side shooter, who's more valuable. A beefy scoring PG, or a deadly outside shooter?

Ah the FA off season chatter.

[saltlover]

When i read the op conspiracy theory, i wasnt thinking that the celts were "staging" a car accident , but rather embellishing the severity of the neck injury.

To be honest, if they are not exaggerating the injury for some unknown reason, i am pretty worried that this kid has been sitting with no bball activities for a month with a strained neck. It doesnt seem typical unless there are concussion symptoms. Even with concussion symptoms, a month is a long time.

There were concussion symptoms, and it's been about 2.5 weeks.  I think this also should demonstrate how unimportant summer league is.

[Vermont Green]

No one suggested that they made up the accident but they also have not come out and said anything very definitive about exactly what the injury is.  They interviewed the summer league coach and his comment was "all I know is they told me he is injured and can't play".  It doesn't seem like a normal way to handle an injury, even to an unsigned rookie.

I hope he is being held out because he is part of a trade for Kevin Love.  Maybe Avery Bradley (not signed) and Sullinger (not playing) are in it too but not Marcus Smart and Olynyk since they are playing.  There are of course plenty of simpler explanations as to why Bradley is not signed and Sullinger is not playing (you wouldn't expect a 3rd year guy to play summer league).  Maybe it is just that I am overly hopeful that we might actually still be in the running get Love.

Also, if Smart is not signed, how is he playing in the summer league?  Is his contract guaranteed so to speak (or maybe obligated is a better word) even if he gets injured?

[saltlover]

No one suggested that they made up the accident but they also have not come out and said anything very definitive about exactly what the injury is.  They interviewed the summer league coach and his comment was "all I know is they told me he is injured and can't play".  It doesn't seem like a normal way to handle an injury, even to an unsigned rookie.

I hope he is being held out because he is part of a trade for Kevin Love.  Maybe Avery Bradley (not signed) and Sullinger (not playing) are in it too but not Marcus Smart and Olynyk since they are playing.  There are of course plenty of simpler explanations as to why Bradley is not signed and Sullinger is not playing (you wouldn't expect a 3rd year guy to play summer league).  Maybe it is just that I am overly hopeful that we might actually still be in the running get Love.

Also, if Smart is not signed, how is he playing in the summer league?  Is his contract guaranteed so to speak (or maybe obligated is a better word) even if he gets injured?

It is not uncommon for rookie's to play in the summer league pre-signing.  There are salary slots for draft picks, and almost all draftees sign for 120% of that slot (the max allowed).  Accordingly, there is generally little negotiating that occurs.  Teams generally don't want to look bad to players and agents by screwing some kid off a few hundred thousand dollars if he gets hurt in summer league.

[Boris Badenov]

He was in a car accident. He missed workouts with other teams. And the downside of holding him out to get healthy is trivial...nothing I've seen about Young suggests he's even close to ready to play in the NBA, so he's going to be a practice squad guy anyway once the season starts. He can learn the ropes then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

[Snakehead]

He was in a car accident. He missed workouts with other teams. And the downside of holding him out to get healthy is trivial...nothing I've seen about Young suggests he's even close to ready to play in the NBA, so he's going to be a practice squad guy anyway once the season starts. He can learn the ropes then.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occam's_razor

So using your theory here Smart will be a practice squad guy.

Both out of the league in a year.

Occam's razor! Woooooooo.