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Re: Can we get Hibbert w/out losing Rondo?
« Reply #15 on: July 06, 2014, 05:35:25 PM »

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I would be willing to listen to ideas but I'm not that high on him at the moment. I can see how he would fit in a 3 man rotation with KO and Sully so it's not off the table for me. Perhaps they would take Hump in a sign and trade? Of course we would have to put more chips into the game the question is what?

Re: Can we get Hibbert w/out losing Rondo?
« Reply #16 on: July 06, 2014, 06:54:59 PM »

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I don't want Hibbert, even if we can hang on to Rondo. Hibbert's just not that good.

I completely agree. I want our roster to continue to be filled with Powerforwards and pointguards. If we could just have 7 pointguards and 8 powerforwards we would be championship bound. Other positions are overrated.

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I'm not trying to return your sarcasm, but you obviously haven't noticed that I've been banging the "we need some real bigs" drum around here for quite a long while, championing Gortat in particular, and that I routinely criticize Danny's penchant for undersized power forwards and for "combo" guards who combine neither dribbling nor shooting.

Yes, we need big guys, legit 7-footers, but they have to be able to produce, consistently. Roy Hibbert is more frustrating in his inconsistency than Jeff Green, and looked downright awful for most of the series against the Heat, a team he should've dominated. Of particular concern to me was that he didn't do what good players do: find a way to contribute, even when they're having a bad game. With Hibbert, when his offense was off, he still could've rebounded well or blocked shots, but he didn't.
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Re: Can we get Hibbert w/out losing Rondo?
« Reply #17 on: July 06, 2014, 07:34:08 PM »

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The area that I do not like Hibbert is rebounding.   I can deal with the scoring and like his shot blocking but he is a bad rebounder for a man his size.

Re: Can we get Hibbert w/out losing Rondo?
« Reply #18 on: July 06, 2014, 07:41:47 PM »

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i think everyone's gotta be serious on this. Roy is easily a top 5 Center in this league, and it's bone-dry at the position. Frankly,  his post defense is top-notch. He's still only 27, and that pacers team was absolute chaos last year. People around here are wanting Jordan Hill and Colton Iverson. come on, man.

if the debate is if he's worth the Rondo trade, that's more realistic. But IMO, I think he is worth that trade because there's just no depth at that position. Rondo is definitely my fav point guard but that position is way deeper across the league, not to mention pretty decent on this celtics team.
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Re: Can we get Hibbert w/out losing Rondo?
« Reply #19 on: July 06, 2014, 07:44:52 PM »

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The area that I do not like Hibbert is rebounding.   I can deal with the scoring and like his shot blocking but he is a bad rebounder for a man his size.

This is, to me, his only weakness.. However..
1) i trust brad to work on it
2) if we keep sullinger during this, the amount of space that'll be occupied beneath the basket will be ridiculous.. HOPEFULLY, this will raise some rebound numbers for both guys
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Re: Can we get Hibbert w/out losing Rondo?
« Reply #20 on: July 06, 2014, 09:10:21 PM »

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Who would say no to this trade:

Wallace, Bass, Sully, Clippers 1st for Hibbert

Gives the Pacers some more depth and an additional late pick in next years draft while the Celtics get a fairly young center who is a 2 time All-Star and they get out of the Wallace contract. 
2019 historical draft.  Pick 12

Tim Duncan, Oscar Robertson, Elgin Baylor, Scottie Pippen, Willis Reed, Mitch Richmond, Sam Jones, Dan Majerle, Bob Cousy, Rasheed Wallace, Shawn Kemp, Marcus Camby

Re: Can we get Hibbert w/out losing Rondo?
« Reply #21 on: July 06, 2014, 09:39:57 PM »

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Who would say no to this trade:

Wallace, Bass, Sully, Clippers 1st for Hibbert

Gives the Pacers some more depth and an additional late pick in next years draft while the Celtics get a fairly young center who is a 2 time All-Star and they get out of the Wallace contract.

that's freaking crazy.  danny isn't giving up sully and a first for that big stiff.   i don't care what salary it dumps.

Re: Can we get Hibbert w/out losing Rondo?
« Reply #22 on: July 06, 2014, 09:43:51 PM »

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Who would say no to this trade:

Wallace, Bass, Sully, Clippers 1st for Hibbert

Gives the Pacers some more depth and an additional late pick in next years draft while the Celtics get a fairly young center who is a 2 time All-Star and they get out of the Wallace contract.

that's freaking crazy.  danny isn't giving up sully and a first for that big stiff.   i don't care what salary it dumps.

Not necessarily saying I would do it, but Hibbert is a 2 time All-Star and former defensive player of the year at a position of serious need and that Wallace contract is ridiculous and we unload it here. 
2019 historical draft.  Pick 12

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Re: Can we get Hibbert w/out losing Rondo?
« Reply #23 on: July 06, 2014, 09:46:37 PM »

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Who would say no to this trade:

Wallace, Bass, Sully, Clippers 1st for Hibbert

Gives the Pacers some more depth and an additional late pick in next years draft while the Celtics get a fairly young center who is a 2 time All-Star and they get out of the Wallace contract.

that's freaking crazy.  danny isn't giving up sully and a first for that big stiff.   i don't care what salary it dumps.

Danny would do that trade in a heartbeat...he could still bring in Love...and we would have:
Rondo
Love
Hibbert

I think Hibbert desperately NEEDS a change of scenery.
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Re: Can we get Hibbert w/out losing Rondo?
« Reply #24 on: July 06, 2014, 09:53:27 PM »

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Hibbert is an unusual case.

His poor play is mostly mental ...if not all.....

Some coach ......might be able to straighten him out ...reset his mind

He may just need a new setting with new teammates and coach .

It's a risk ....

But I agree that Hibbert a NEEDs a Rondo on the floor as his leader.    Pacers have no true leader type on their team.  Great players , but no leader ......like CP3 or Rondo


I wouldn't want Hibbert without Rondo and KLove ......to lead Hibbert .

Hibbert has confidence issues , and his current teammates are sort of lacking themselves , other than Stevenson in the confidence department or maturity.

Hibbert needs Doc Rivers, Phil Jackson,  or some good nature teammates with leadership skills ....

Pat Riley and James might help him too.......not good for us, :-\

Re: Can we get Hibbert w/out losing Rondo?
« Reply #25 on: July 06, 2014, 09:57:35 PM »

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If Indiana wanted help at center in return:

Bass and Philly pick to Charlotte,

Biyombo, Neal, Olynyk, Bogans, Clippers first to Indiana,

Hibbert to Boston.



Re: Can we get Hibbert w/out losing Rondo?
« Reply #26 on: July 06, 2014, 10:05:21 PM »

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Re: Can we get Hibbert w/out losing Rondo?
« Reply #27 on: July 06, 2014, 10:12:56 PM »

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Hibbert significantly reduces his opponents’ overall scoring efficiency on a nightly basis. I evaluated a set of thousands of NBA close-range shots in which an NBA big man was protecting the basket. These were shots from the 2012-13 regular season in which a qualifying interior defender was within 5 feet of the rim and also within 5 feet of the shot location.

In such cases, the opponents made 48 percent of their shots. When Hibbert was protecting the basket, however, the number dropped to 38 percent. Only one player in the NBA reduced close-range shooting efficiency more than Hibbert; of course, that was LARRY SANDERS!, who held opponents to a ghastly 32 percent. For context, both Marc Gasol and Tyson Chandler — the last two winners of the NBA Defensive Player of the Year Award — held opponents to a respectable 44 percent.

When Hibbert is protecting the basket, opponents’ close-range shots go in about as much as an average NBA midrange shot. This is incredible. If we’re not factoring in this kind of precipitous drop in opponents’ scoring efficiency when Hibbert is protecting the rim (which we’re not), then we’re not doing a good job assessing his impact or value as an NBA player.

At 26 years old, Hibbert is one of the most important players on a team in the conference finals, a plateau that Blake Griffin and David Lee have never reached. Still, Hibbert’s Player Efficiency Rating in the regular season was 17.3, placing him just below Amir Johnson and just above Kosta Koufos. With all due respect to those guys, something is awry here. Despite so-so defensive reputations, guys like Lee and Griffin are All-NBA performers with lucrative endorsement deals. Sure, they might “get you 20 and 10 every night,” but they might also give up 25 and 10 in the process. One problem is that the 20 and 10 are duly noted and factored into PER while the 25 and 10 allowed remain mostly unmeasured.

While it’s enticing to pat ourselves on the back and say basketball has entered its “advanced metrics” era, our inability to properly quantify the impact of players like Hibbert reminds us that we are still in the Stone Age.

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I'd take a risk with Hibbert.

Re: Can we get Hibbert w/out losing Rondo?
« Reply #28 on: July 06, 2014, 10:13:46 PM »

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Who would say no to this trade:

Wallace, Bass, Sully, Clippers 1st for Hibbert

Gives the Pacers some more depth and an additional late pick in next years draft while the Celtics get a fairly young center who is a 2 time All-Star and they get out of the Wallace contract.

that's freaking crazy.  danny isn't giving up sully and a first for that big stiff.   i don't care what salary it dumps.

Danny would do that trade in a heartbeat...he could still bring in Love...and we would have:
Rondo
Love
Hibbert

I think Hibbert desperately NEEDS a change of scenery.

Interesting thought.

I will admit, when I saw Hibbert completely bomb in the playoffs, I lost a lot of interest in a guy who I thought was becoming one of the best (and very few) true centers in league.

However, maybe you're right.

If a change of scenery does end up being the cure for Hibbert, then a big 3 of Rondo/Love/Hibbert would be awesome.

Re: Can we get Hibbert w/out losing Rondo?
« Reply #29 on: July 06, 2014, 10:22:42 PM »

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Who would say no to this trade:

Wallace, Bass, Sully, Clippers 1st for Hibbert

Gives the Pacers some more depth and an additional late pick in next years draft while the Celtics get a fairly young center who is a 2 time All-Star and they get out of the Wallace contract.

that's freaking crazy.  danny isn't giving up sully and a first for that big stiff.   i don't care what salary it dumps.

Danny would do that trade in a heartbeat...he could still bring in Love...and we would have:
Rondo
Love
Hibbert

I think Hibbert desperately NEEDS a change of scenery.

Interesting thought.

I will admit, when I saw Hibbert completely bomb in the playoffs, I lost a lot of interest in a guy who I thought was becoming one of the best (and very few) true centers in league.

However, maybe you're right.

If a change of scenery does end up being the cure for Hibbert, then a big 3 of Rondo/Love/Hibbert would be awesome.

Rondo/Love/Hibbert complemented by Bradley/Green could give any other 5 a run for their money.

If there was a way.