Can we get Hibbert w/out losing Rondo?

[86MaxwellSmart]

However, I would not be surprised, if Larry Bird swoops in ---and trades Hibbert for Love.

[gpap]

Who would say no to this trade:

Wallace, Bass, Sully, Clippers 1st for Hibbert

Gives the Pacers some more depth and an additional late pick in next years draft while the Celtics get a fairly young center who is a 2 time All-Star and they get out of the Wallace contract.

that's freaking crazy.  danny isn't giving up sully and a first for that big stiff.   i don't care what salary it dumps.

Danny would do that trade in a heartbeat...he could still bring in Love...and we would have:
Rondo
Love
Hibbert

I think Hibbert desperately NEEDS a change of scenery.

Interesting thought.

I will admit, when I saw Hibbert completely bomb in the playoffs, I lost a lot of interest in a guy who I thought was becoming one of the best (and very few) true centers in league.

However, maybe you're right.

If a change of scenery does end up being the cure for Hibbert, then a big 3 of Rondo/Love/Hibbert would be awesome.

Rondo/Love/Hibbert complemented by Bradley/Green could give any other 5 a run for their money.

If there was a way.

Agreed.

Plus Green and Hibbert know each other from college, right?

Like you said, if there was only a way.

[Kuberski33]

Given that the Boston fans and media have traditionally hated soft, overpaid athletes, why in the world would you think Hibbert would be a good fit here?

[Smokeeye123]

Given that the Boston fans and media have traditionally hated soft, overpaid athletes, why in the world would you think Hibbert would be a good fit here?

I dont think Boston does, I just think the drooling monster that is the Boston sports media always needs something to complain about so they become easy targets. There is then a trickle down effect to boston fans.

[Kuberski33]

Personally I think it's very telling that Larry Bird, a guy who probably equaled Michael Jordan when it came to mental toughness, apparently no longer wants Hibbert on his team.

[coffee425]

Hibbert significantly reduces his opponents’ overall scoring efficiency on a nightly basis. I evaluated a set of thousands of NBA close-range shots in which an NBA big man was protecting the basket. These were shots from the 2012-13 regular season in which a qualifying interior defender was within 5 feet of the rim and also within 5 feet of the shot location.

In such cases, the opponents made 48 percent of their shots. When Hibbert was protecting the basket, however, the number dropped to 38 percent. Only one player in the NBA reduced close-range shooting efficiency more than Hibbert; of course, that was LARRY SANDERS!, who held opponents to a ghastly 32 percent. For context, both Marc Gasol and Tyson Chandler — the last two winners of the NBA Defensive Player of the Year Award — held opponents to a respectable 44 percent.

When Hibbert is protecting the basket, opponents’ close-range shots go in about as much as an average NBA midrange shot. This is incredible. If we’re not factoring in this kind of precipitous drop in opponents’ scoring efficiency when Hibbert is protecting the rim (which we’re not), then we’re not doing a good job assessing his impact or value as an NBA player.

At 26 years old, Hibbert is one of the most important players on a team in the conference finals, a plateau that Blake Griffin and David Lee have never reached. Still, Hibbert’s Player Efficiency Rating in the regular season was 17.3, placing him just below Amir Johnson and just above Kosta Koufos. With all due respect to those guys, something is awry here. Despite so-so defensive reputations, guys like Lee and Griffin are All-NBA performers with lucrative endorsement deals. Sure, they might “get you 20 and 10 every night,” but they might also give up 25 and 10 in the process. One problem is that the 20 and 10 are duly noted and factored into PER while the 25 and 10 allowed remain mostly unmeasured.

While it’s enticing to pat ourselves on the back and say basketball has entered its “advanced metrics” era, our inability to properly quantify the impact of players like Hibbert reminds us that we are still in the Stone Age.

- Kirk Goldsberry, Grantland

I'd take a risk with Hibbert.

THIS SAYS IT ALL. and honestly, in the East, he would automatically make us playoff team (w/ or w/o Rondo)

[Kevin OConnor]

Y'all are crazy if you say Hibbert isn't good.

[Smokeeye123]

Y'all are crazy if you say Hibbert isn't good.

People tend to forget the past and only remember the present. Yeah lets focus on a bad two series when last year at this time almost everyone here would unanimously agree that he was a top 5 center in the nba.

[vjcsmoke]

If his health checks out, I'd definitely favor making a move for Hibbert as long as we're not giving up Rondo.  A change of scenery might be just what he needs.  Maybe if we land Hibbert, then Boston also becomes a more attractive landing spot for Love??

Article:
http://www.cbssports.com/nba/eye-on-basketball/24609431/report-pacers-quietly-shopping-roy-hibbert-trade

If we can do this without moving Rondo and then adding Love the team could be...

1. Rondo/Smart
2. Bradley/Bazemore
3. Green/Wallace/Young
4. Love/Olynyk
5. Hibbert/Faverini/Iverson

[chambers]

Who would say no to this trade:

Wallace, Bass, Sully, Clippers 1st for Hibbert

Gives the Pacers some more depth and an additional late pick in next years draft while the Celtics get a fairly young center who is a 2 time All-Star and they get out of the Wallace contract.

that's freaking crazy.  danny isn't giving up sully and a first for that big stiff.   i don't care what salary it dumps.

Actually Danny would do that trade in a heartbeat. He'd do it even if we didn't dump Wallace.
7 foot 2 elite rim protectors that can also score in the paint without significant injury history are as rare as teeth on a hen.

Put him with Rondo and he'll be a 20 point per game monster patrolling the paint.
He's played with George Hill as his point guard for his entire relevant career which has meant he's basically played 5 minutes of pick and roll and gets barely any easy dish buckets around the rim- unless Stephenson or George are the primary ball handlers in on court the line up. Put him next to a stretch power forward like Love, Sully or Olynyk (if Sully & Olynyk gets their 3 point percentage up to 35% or higher).

I'm just imagining Hibbert running the pick and roll with Rondo or Smart. Wow.
Now I'm thinking about offenses trying to penetrate against a Rondo/Smart tandem only to meet Hibbert waiting at the rim. Mmm yeah, woowwweeee. 

He's so good because of his rim protection capabilities- at times it's really like having a 6th man on the court when driving players come up against that kind of length.  I believe he'd do much better in an offense that revolves around a spacing+ dribble penetration theme too.

If we could get Hibbert without losing Rondo it would take something like:

Olynyk+Green+Bogans or
Bass+Green+Bogans+ a pick.

Nothing less and probably much more.
Given the issues in their locker room I think Indy has come to a crossroads where they've had to choose between Paul George or Hibbert and Lance, and Paul George has come out as the victor.
Perfect time to get him while his value is at an all time low.

[PaulAllen]

It seems like a buy low proposal because Indy is trying to make a splash in FA.. Its only 2 years on the books and IMO Hibbert just needs a change. I dont know what happened but dude literaly started to play bad when Bynum was brought in.. He didnt take his playing time but who knows what happens in players lifes outside the media? maybe someone slept with his wife or maybe he has a psycological issue.. There are things we dont know that could cause a player to go off/on..

That said if Pacers were willing to take the clippers next years 1st, bass, and bogans dead contract im in..

[Robb]

I wouldn't mind dealing Rondo for Hibbert. If it allowe us enough room to still go after Love.  If you look at it from as asset-collaboration standpoint, if you can reduce the logjam at guard and add needed pieces in other places, why not?

[coffee425]

If Indiana wanted help at center in return:

Bass and Philly pick to Charlotte,

Biyombo, Neal, Olynyk, Bogans, Clippers first to Indiana,

Hibbert to Boston.

i think this is highly likely, if charlotte approves of such a deal.

[RLewis35]

I know it's off topic (kinda) but if this deal goes down it's happening with rondo in it.  Bird has a known affection for rondo and the pacers need a pg upgrade.

If we send out rondo for Hibbert and a pick let's say (assume we send a non guaranteed to make salaries work), then we sign Isaiah Thomas or someone like that, we have the following

Isaiah Thomas
Avery Bradley
Jeff Green
Kelly olynyk
Roy Hibbert.

Off the bench we have smart, sully, bass, young. 

That's a playoff team and complements each other offensively and defensively and has plenty of assets to still deal for another star (even love). We also still have all BK picks.

It's an incomplete offseason but has the makings of a good one. As unique a talent as rondo is, there are lots of good point guards in the nba.  There are very few elite rim protectors.  When he is playing his best, Hibbert is the best center in the league, even better than Dwight. Dwight doesn't have the offensive touch that Roy has, and Roy has been defensive player of the year too. He may not be able to motivate to reach that level consistently but it's definitely worth a shot.

The only thing I hate about my lineup is the lack of rebounding so perhaps sully and smart start and Isaiah or Bradley and oly are off the bench.

Don't underestimate how Hibbert will perform with high character players in Boston with his buddy Jeff green and a college style coach like Stevens.

Also don't underestimate David falk realizing Indiana locker room is not the right place for Roy and that all he needs is that Celtic love like Jeff green felt. 

Of course if there is a way to get this done without dealing rondo I'm all for it, but I have a feeling Indiana wants to try to win right now and rondo-lance-George-west-center would be a very formidable opponent especially in the east. 

[Jon]

Put me down as very intrigued about the possibility of acquiring Hibbert.  People will point to his disappearing act last year as a reason not to pull the trigger, but the fact that he's flawed is what makes this deal all the more tantalizing. 

Quite frankly, with most other potential superstar acquisitions, they're not going to happen and/or are going to cost us an arm and a leg.  While I don't think the Pacers are looking to give Hibbert away, I think we may be able to build some sort of package around Olynyk or Sullinger, the Clippers/Philly picks (i.e. not potential lottery picks), and some sort of mix of Bradley/Green/Bass.  While that's certainly not nothing, it would allow us to keep the valuable Brooklyn picks, both our draftees this year, and Rondo. 

The best case scenario is that Hibbert and Rondo emerge as two corner superstars and that we only have to develop/deal for a third superstar.  Worst case, Hibbert is a bust, but even that's not the end of the world.  He only has two years on his deal, so even in that scenario he really only limits our cap flexibility for the summer of 2015.