Larry Sanders value will never be lower

[hpantazo]

wow, what a great idea, a 'let's trade for Larry Sanders' thread, because we haven't had a thread about trading for him for at least a few days now

We've been discussing trading for this guy since the all-star break non-stop.

Apparently Kidd was upset that the Nets didn't trade Lopez and Teletovich for Sanders and Ersan because he believed Sanders and Ersan fit his system much better. Now that he's running the Bucks, I don't see him wanting to dump either of these guys.

[saltlover]

The Pierce Trade Exception and the Philly pick....

Won't work.  Sanders doesn't fit into TPE.

[saltlover]

wow, what a great idea, a 'let's trade for Larry Sanders' thread, because we haven't had a thread about trading for him for at least a few days now

We've been discussing trading for this guy since the all-star break non-stop.

Apparently Kidd was upset that the Nets didn't trade Lopez and Teletovich for Sanders and Ersan because he believed Sanders and Ersan fit his system much better. Now that he's running the Bucks, I don't see him wanting to dump either of these guys.

That has to be false.  Jason Kidd doesn't have a "system."

[hpantazo]

wow, what a great idea, a 'let's trade for Larry Sanders' thread, because we haven't had a thread about trading for him for at least a few days now

We've been discussing trading for this guy since the all-star break non-stop.

Apparently Kidd was upset that the Nets didn't trade Lopez and Teletovich for Sanders and Ersan because he believed Sanders and Ersan fit his system much better. Now that he's running the Bucks, I don't see him wanting to dump either of these guys.

That has to be false.  Jason Kidd doesn't have a "system."

LOL...yeah, maybe he doesn't, but he sure thinks he does, and was reportedly willing to trade Brook Lopez for Sanders, so I find it hard to believe that as GM of the Bucks now he will trade Sanders for a trade exception and some junk or late picks.

[bknova]

The Pierce Trade Exception and the Philly pick....

Won't work.  Meanders doesn't fit into TPE.

Does the 125% rule not work when moving trade exceptions?

[Yoki_IsTheName]

He was pretty bad last year.  A team would need serious balls to trade for him at this point.

I'd trade em Gerald Wallace

I'd take that risk.

He had a little dip in his blocks average from 2 years ago to last year, as well as the FG%, but most of his statline stayed the same.

We need to deal with the grass addiction, that's true. But as you said, on 25 minutes a game on a bad season, he still managed to average 7 rebounds and 1.7 blocks. There's potential that it could get better, and we'll get the rim protector that we need.

And with his value as low as ever (maybe), I'd take that risk.

[D.o.s.]

wow, what a great idea, a 'let's trade for Larry Sanders' thread, because we haven't had a thread about trading for him for at least a few days now

We've been discussing trading for this guy since the all-star break non-stop.

Apparently Kidd was upset that the Nets didn't trade Lopez and Teletovich for Sanders and Ersan because he believed Sanders and Ersan fit his system much better. Now that he's running the Bucks, I don't see him wanting to dump either of these guys.

That has to be false.  Jason Kidd doesn't have a "system."

LOL...yeah, maybe he doesn't, but he sure thinks he does, and was reportedly willing to trade Brook Lopez for Sanders, so I find it hard to believe that as GM of the Bucks now he will trade Sanders for a trade exception and some junk or late picks.

Kidd's not the GM, he's strictly the head coach (for now).

[saltlover]

The Pierce Trade Exception and the Philly pick....

Won't work.  Meanders doesn't fit into TPE.

Does the 125% rule not work when moving trade exceptions?

Nope.  Trade exception + $100k is the rule.

[DraftSmart33]

There are two Larry Sanders. One is a top 5 rim protector, and the best interior defender in the league. He is 25 years old and has a 7'6'' wingspan and 9'4'' standing reach, and has an explosive quick jump. IN JUST 27MPG He led the league in blocks with 2.8 and has 9.8ppg and 9.5rpg in 13', which was his breakout year.His per 40 was 14/14/4blocks.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HX0Ezb-OPE

The other: Got in to a nightclub fight last summer, in which he hurt his thumb and missed time. He tested positive for marijuana and missed time. He had an eye injury and missed time. He is going in to a Rehab Facility THIS SUMMER. He just started his 4 year 44million dollar deal.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OEMdSbZT2ms
Now, there are conflicting reports about the Larry Sanders and his future with the Bucks.

Contrary to a report, the market for Sanders is virtually non-existent as he not only has been plagued by off-court issues - he is expected to enter a rehab facility this summer - but will be entering the first of a four-year, $44 million contract next season.

http://www.sbnation.com/2014/6/20/5827394/larry-sanders-rehab-milwaukee-bucks


My opinion is that if everything went well after Sanders rehab and he got the help he needs, then this is one heck of a steal. But he could be a bad teammate and hurt the cohesion for our young group. Again, he could just need a fresh scene and a new coach, that is well known for his success with younger players.


Sanders game reminds me of Deandre Jordans. They both shared similar numbers and similar measurements. Jordans breakout year just ended, but it began and was attributed to a new coach(Doc). Could it be that Sanders would have another breakout year and career under a new coach, new city, and the right help/plan.

Whatever your opinion, one thing is for sure, Larry Sanders value will never be lower


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AUOtTFYTWpU
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Great Thread.  TP!

Sanders is the ultimate gamble in my mind....he's young enough to be around with our youth movement and he fills our desperate need for a low post defender.  He would also be a nice pair with KO's range. 
Is he worth the gamble?  I actually lean towards yes.  While other posters are fascinated with Stephenson on the Pacers...he doesn't meet our needs and he has a strong history of being a disruptive force on his teams.  Sanders got into a bar fight, smoked weed, and had a freak eye injury.  The bar fight is certainly suspect but we can run down a list of athletes that have gotten into that situation (Lucic, Charles Barkley, etc.) Does anyone know if he has a drinking problem?

[hwangjini_1]

draftsmart33, ask and ye shall receive. it seems it is more than a chance drink or two that bedevils sanders. as with everyone, he has his own demons to battle. and while i wish him luck, it means quite the gamble for the celtics to take him on.

he might recover. he might be vin baker the second.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/telander/26751072-452/weeding-through-larry-sanders-mess.html#.U7lxM41dXR0

"Staying out of trouble is tough for Sanders. From missing six weeks after injuring his thumb in a November bar fight at a Milwaukee club called Apartment 720 — why he wasn’t jailed for throwing beer bottles into the crowd is beyond me — to arguing with his teammates and coach, to getting cited twice on animal cruelty charges, to being lazy, he often seems so flighty and anger-ridden that his career is likely hanging by a thread."

http://www.si.com/nba/point-forward/2013/04/14/larry-sanders-bucks-sports-illustrated#

"Sanders, now in his third year from Virginia Commonwealth, is second in the NBA with 2.8 blocks per game and tied for the league lead with 14 technical fouls. He's been fined $50,000 for criticizing the officials. He's sarcastically flashed thumbs up to the referees after being ejected. He's been sent home by his (former) coach for a "team conduct issue." And he's absolutely lost it during an extended jawing match with the Pacers that got him tossed from a game last April. "

[hpantazo]

The guy to gamble on right now is Hibbert. He had a tough year reportedly due to distractions for personal issues with his girlfriend, but he's a legit big man who is a defensive presence and a scoring threat in the post, enough to lead his team to within a game of beating the Heat to reach the finals two years ago, and his stock is really low right now. He's much bigger than Sanders, and has much fewer issues to worry about. There are rumors that Bird wants Rondo and would trade Hibbert for him. I would do that in a heartbeat and rebuild with Hibbert, KO/Sullinger/Green/Bradley, Smart.

[DraftSmart33]

draftsmart33, ask and ye shall receive. it seems it is more than a chance drink or two that bedevils sanders. as with everyone, he has his own demons to battle. and while i wish him luck, it means quite the gamble for the celtics to take him on.

he might recover. he might be vin baker the second.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/telander/26751072-452/weeding-through-larry-sanders-mess.html#.U7lxM41dXR0

"Staying out of trouble is tough for Sanders. From missing six weeks after injuring his thumb in a November bar fight at a Milwaukee club called Apartment 720 — why he wasn’t jailed for throwing beer bottles into the crowd is beyond me — to arguing with his teammates and coach, to getting cited twice on animal cruelty charges, to being lazy, he often seems so flighty and anger-ridden that his career is likely hanging by a thread."

http://www.si.com/nba/point-forward/2013/04/14/larry-sanders-bucks-sports-illustrated#

"Sanders, now in his third year from Virginia Commonwealth, is second in the NBA with 2.8 blocks per game and tied for the league lead with 14 technical fouls. He's been fined $50,000 for criticizing the officials. He's sarcastically flashed thumbs up to the referees after being ejected. He's been sent home by his (former) coach for a "team conduct issue." And he's absolutely lost it during an extended jawing match with the Pacers that got him tossed from a game last April. "

And a mind changed just like that....

thanks...TP

[Sketch5]

draftsmart33, ask and ye shall receive. it seems it is more than a chance drink or two that bedevils sanders. as with everyone, he has his own demons to battle. and while i wish him luck, it means quite the gamble for the celtics to take him on.

he might recover. he might be vin baker the second.

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/telander/26751072-452/weeding-through-larry-sanders-mess.html#.U7lxM41dXR0

"Staying out of trouble is tough for Sanders. From missing six weeks after injuring his thumb in a November bar fight at a Milwaukee club called Apartment 720 — why he wasn’t jailed for throwing beer bottles into the crowd is beyond me — to arguing with his teammates and coach, to getting cited twice on animal cruelty charges, to being lazy, he often seems so flighty and anger-ridden that his career is likely hanging by a thread."

http://www.si.com/nba/point-forward/2013/04/14/larry-sanders-bucks-sports-illustrated#

"Sanders, now in his third year from Virginia Commonwealth, is second in the NBA with 2.8 blocks per game and tied for the league lead with 14 technical fouls. He's been fined $50,000 for criticizing the officials. He's sarcastically flashed thumbs up to the referees after being ejected. He's been sent home by his (former) coach for a "team conduct issue." And he's absolutely lost it during an extended jawing match with the Pacers that got him tossed from a game last April. "

No Thanks. I Don't care what his numbers are. If he's a disease on the team, and can't stay on the floor because he's getting in trouble out side of the game. Whats the sense.

At the most I'd trade Wallace for him, thats all I'd give for him until he could prove he's changed his ways. He's two years from that.

I think Stevens and DA would rather have character guys than stat guys. 

[fairweatherfan]

There are two Larry Sanders. One is a top 5 rim protector, and the best interior defender in the league. He is 25 years old and has a 7'6'' wingspan and 9'4'' standing reach, and has an explosive quick jump. IN JUST 27MPG He led the league in blocks with 2.8 and has 9.8ppg and 9.5rpg in 13', which was his breakout year.His per 40 was 14/14/4blocks.

LOL at David Lee. 

Sanders has a lot of potential but a ton of red flags now.  He'd only really be worth acquiring for Wallace's contract and one of our lesser 1sts.  But with Kidd in charge and reportedly being a Sanders fan, I don't think there's any way they move him for a while at least.

[P stoff]

I think Sanders is a gamble, especially with 4 year deal. But if we don't buy into that, why not get Magee with Wallace and a pick?  He only has the same two years as Wallace on a contract so there is little to lose IMO.  We already had a thread on this, but it's less of a gamble for similar attributes