Time to hype up Kelly Olynyk

[hwangjini_1]

1. It was Summer League against a bunch of guys that probably won't be seeing any playing time in the league this coming year. He was great in Summer League last year two and stunk it up for the first 3 months of the season.

2. I really didn't see that much of a body transformation as some here are claiming. Hairdo was different and maybe his arms looked a bit more toned but you would think he was sucking down steroids at an amazing rate given the hype that was on this site yesterday extolling the virtues of Kelly's new Superman like body

3. Doesn't this kid get hyped enough on this site? Do we need yet another KO thread because he had a nice Summer League game. I will be a whole lot more impressed if he starts the season well.

Teams tend to play all out to start the year and then when teams start to separate themselves in quality as the year goes on, teams will tend to play worse against bad teams and great against good teams as the year progresses as they save themselves physically during the long season.

Kelly stunk to start last year and was a warrior to end the year. But no one was playing defense against the C's towards them end of the season because they knew the Celtics had a horrible offensive team. So what happens? Players tend to put up numbers.

If he starts this year strong and continues the year strong in his performances that's when the KO hype should begin. Why? Because teams will have had enough film on him and know he is a cog in the Celtics wheel that will need to be addressed and he won't get the "Ole" defensive effort that most teams were giving the Celtics and Olynyk towards the last 30 games or so of year

Sure, I am not Kelly's biggest fan. But he is a Celtic and I want him to do great. I just would hate to see people set up unrealistic expectations for the guy and then complain about the kid if all he does is get 9 PPG, 5 RPG, 1 APG and play poor defense.

That's what happen to Jeff Green last year. People were expecting 22-25 PPG and 6-8 RPG and outstanding defense and instead they got the same Jeff Green Jeff Green has always been. And people became sour on the guy.

So let's not hype Olynyk too much. How about we just hope for some development from his entire last year and not just growth over his last two weeks of the season where he was playing meaningless minutes in meaningless games where the other team was mailing in the defensive effort.

nice post.  youre fighting a losing battle though....

maybe, but nick has at least two supporters. 

[LarBrd33]

If KO starts and/or plays starter minutes he will be a 20/10 guy. He is only beginning to show his power. He is a very unique player, and will change the league.
KL has peaked and never played a playoff game. He would be very costly, and deplete the assets of the team tremendously. His stats are blown out of proportion because he is the number one option offensively and he is not asked to play defense. His job is to crash the boards.
Trading KO for KL would be foolish beyond comparison. KO makes everyone around him better. KL needs people around him to be better...

you wouldn't trade Kelly for KEvin Love? 

[SDHarleyguy]

Absolutely not... KO is going to be special...

[clover]

Yet another impressive appearance in the summer league for Kelly Olynyk.  He showed off a toned up and more athletic body and the results showed on the court.  20 points 8 rebounds and 4 steals.

Boxscore:
http://i.imgur.com/y6kWcLI.png

I think it is becoming gradually obvious who the best PF on the Celtics roster is right now.  I would not be surprised if KO is not at MINIMUM a 15-7 player this season as long as he gets at least 25-30 minutes per game.  He can make shots from all ranges and his 7' size is always an advantage.

I think Olynyk could easily become a #2 option in an offense if he continues on this upward trend.

We're still lacking that #1 scoring option, but at least we have a couple of more pieces in Smart and Young, and KO should emerge for a breakout season in 2014.  Calling it right now!

Do I still want Love?  Yes.  Can we ship off some combination of Sully, Jeff Green, and 1st round picks for him?

while i hope you are right, i have doubts olly can put up 15 and 7 next season. let's have some context to help us here.

most seasons between 400 to 500 players are in the nba over the course of a season.

last year, a total of 14 players averaged at least 15 points and 7 rebounds. 14. that represents about 3% to 4% of the total number of players. not a lot.

will olly be so good as to rank among the top 4% of all players of the nba in scoring and rebounds? we can hope, but i wouldn't put money on it.

how about from 13-15 pts and 7 reb avg

KO will do that next season.

After the AS break as a rookie last year, KO shot .511 overall, including .426 from the 3 and .818 on FTs. He averaged 18.8 points and 9.9 rebounds per 36 minutes. I really don't understand why people think that being an eventual 20-10 performer is so far out of his reach.

[Smokeeye123]

Absolutely not... KO is going to be special...

I think I'm going to have to contact the authorities, because you are clearly P.U.I

(Posting under the influence)

[NorthernLightning]

I really don't understand why people think that being an eventual 20-10 performer is so far out of his reach.

Because if he averages 20.1 ppg and 9.8 rpg he's just another player.

[nickagneta]

Yet another impressive appearance in the summer league for Kelly Olynyk.  He showed off a toned up and more athletic body and the results showed on the court.  20 points 8 rebounds and 4 steals.

Boxscore:
http://i.imgur.com/y6kWcLI.png

I think it is becoming gradually obvious who the best PF on the Celtics roster is right now.  I would not be surprised if KO is not at MINIMUM a 15-7 player this season as long as he gets at least 25-30 minutes per game.  He can make shots from all ranges and his 7' size is always an advantage.

I think Olynyk could easily become a #2 option in an offense if he continues on this upward trend.

We're still lacking that #1 scoring option, but at least we have a couple of more pieces in Smart and Young, and KO should emerge for a breakout season in 2014.  Calling it right now!

Do I still want Love?  Yes.  Can we ship off some combination of Sully, Jeff Green, and 1st round picks for him?

while i hope you are right, i have doubts olly can put up 15 and 7 next season. let's have some context to help us here.

most seasons between 400 to 500 players are in the nba over the course of a season.

last year, a total of 14 players averaged at least 15 points and 7 rebounds. 14. that represents about 3% to 4% of the total number of players. not a lot.

will olly be so good as to rank among the top 4% of all players of the nba in scoring and rebounds? we can hope, but i wouldn't put money on it.

how about from 13-15 pts and 7 reb avg

KO will do that next season.

After the AS break as a rookie last year, KO shot .511 overall, including .426 from the 3 and .818 on FTs. He averaged 18.8 points and 9.9 rebounds per 36 minutes. I really don't understand why people think that being an eventual 20-10 performer is so far out of his reach.

Because you are dealing with a ridiculously small sample size, taken during a non=competitive part of the schedule where teams stopped showing up defensively against the Celtics. Also, you are using Per36 stats, not per game stats.

His defense was so bad he wouldn't ever average enough minutes to justify being on the court to get enough time to reach 20/10. Also he was fouling out in 36 MPG. So that's another factor that would keep him off the court and not allow him to get 20/10.

Unless KO suddenly turns into a vastly superior defender or starts getting superstar treatment by the refs where they look the other way on all his fouls, he isn't coming near 20/10 next year.

As I said earlier, if he can improve on last years numbers of 9/5/1...that's gotta be a good thing and probably the thing we should most hope for. Putting these unrealistic expectations on this kid is just not fair to him.

[snively]

1. It was Summer League against a bunch of guys that probably won't be seeing any playing time in the league this coming year. He was great in Summer League last year two and stunk it up for the first 3 months of the season.

2. I really didn't see that much of a body transformation as some here are claiming. Hairdo was different and maybe his arms looked a bit more toned but you would think he was sucking down steroids at an amazing rate given the hype that was on this site yesterday extolling the virtues of Kelly's new Superman like body

3. Doesn't this kid get hyped enough on this site? Do we need yet another KO thread because he had a nice Summer League game. I will be a whole lot more impressed if he starts the season well.

Teams tend to play all out to start the year and then when teams start to separate themselves in quality as the year goes on, teams will tend to play worse against bad teams and great against good teams as the year progresses as they save themselves physically during the long season.

Kelly stunk to start last year and was a warrior to end the year. But no one was playing defense against the C's towards them end of the season because they knew the Celtics had a horrible offensive team. So what happens? Players tend to put up numbers.

If he starts this year strong and continues the year strong in his performances that's when the KO hype should begin. Why? Because teams will have had enough film on him and know he is a cog in the Celtics wheel that will need to be addressed and he won't get the "Ole" defensive effort that most teams were giving the Celtics and Olynyk towards the last 30 games or so of year

Sure, I am not Kelly's biggest fan. But he is a Celtic and I want him to do great. I just would hate to see people set up unrealistic expectations for the guy and then complain about the kid if all he does is get 9 PPG, 5 RPG, 1 APG and play poor defense.

That's what happen to Jeff Green last year. People were expecting 22-25 PPG and 6-8 RPG and outstanding defense and instead they got the same Jeff Green Jeff Green has always been. And people became sour on the guy.

So let's not hype Olynyk too much. How about we just hope for some development from his entire last year and not just growth over his last two weeks of the season where he was playing meaningless minutes in meaningless games where the other team was mailing in the defensive effort.

If no one was playing D against the C's post all star break, why was KO the only one to benefit significantly?

[knuckleballer]

1. It was Summer League against a bunch of guys that probably won't be seeing any playing time in the league this coming year. He was great in Summer League last year two and stunk it up for the first 3 months of the season.

2. I really didn't see that much of a body transformation as some here are claiming. Hairdo was different and maybe his arms looked a bit more toned but you would think he was sucking down steroids at an amazing rate given the hype that was on this site yesterday extolling the virtues of Kelly's new Superman like body

3. Doesn't this kid get hyped enough on this site? Do we need yet another KO thread because he had a nice Summer League game. I will be a whole lot more impressed if he starts the season well.

Teams tend to play all out to start the year and then when teams start to separate themselves in quality as the year goes on, teams will tend to play worse against bad teams and great against good teams as the year progresses as they save themselves physically during the long season.

Kelly stunk to start last year and was a warrior to end the year. But no one was playing defense against the C's towards them end of the season because they knew the Celtics had a horrible offensive team. So what happens? Players tend to put up numbers.

If he starts this year strong and continues the year strong in his performances that's when the KO hype should begin. Why? Because teams will have had enough film on him and know he is a cog in the Celtics wheel that will need to be addressed and he won't get the "Ole" defensive effort that most teams were giving the Celtics and Olynyk towards the last 30 games or so of year

Sure, I am not Kelly's biggest fan. But he is a Celtic and I want him to do great. I just would hate to see people set up unrealistic expectations for the guy and then complain about the kid if all he does is get 9 PPG, 5 RPG, 1 APG and play poor defense.

That's what happen to Jeff Green last year. People were expecting 22-25 PPG and 6-8 RPG and outstanding defense and instead they got the same Jeff Green Jeff Green has always been. And people became sour on the guy.

So let's not hype Olynyk too much. How about we just hope for some development from his entire last year and not just growth over his last two weeks of the season where he was playing meaningless minutes in meaningless games where the other team was mailing in the defensive effort.

Some people are very stubborn.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

Kelly was playing better b4 the allstar break. He was playing okay most of the season as a 7ft ROOKIE. He just improved a lot (confidence wise) around the time he was aware he was selected for rookie/sophomore game.  He did not stink for 3 months, he just became more consistent the last couple months.


Like someone said b4, did the league just stop playing hard/defending Kelly after the break? That's just another way to try and hate on the guys progression.

Is it anyone's fault but your own that you had unrealistic expectations of him early last seaso  that no matter how he played, you think he stunk.

Consistency was a problem early last season, when he got comfortable, he played better. Now that he knows what to expect and what to work on, he will improve.

[Vermont Green]

The new slimmer, toner version of Kelly is a major step in the right direction.   I don't think he has the overall athleticism needed though to be a consistent go to type of guy on a winning, contending team.  That doesn't mean is isn't going to be a fine player and perhaps even a solid starter.

I would not hesitate to include him to get Kevin Love.  I don't think he will ever be so good that we regret trading him in a good deal for a good player.

I think that Kelly is the type of player that is going to excel in summer league.  He can really take advantage of the reduction in talent as compared to the real NBA.

[clover]

Yet another impressive appearance in the summer league for Kelly Olynyk.  He showed off a toned up and more athletic body and the results showed on the court.  20 points 8 rebounds and 4 steals.

Boxscore:
http://i.imgur.com/y6kWcLI.png

I think it is becoming gradually obvious who the best PF on the Celtics roster is right now.  I would not be surprised if KO is not at MINIMUM a 15-7 player this season as long as he gets at least 25-30 minutes per game.  He can make shots from all ranges and his 7' size is always an advantage.

I think Olynyk could easily become a #2 option in an offense if he continues on this upward trend.

We're still lacking that #1 scoring option, but at least we have a couple of more pieces in Smart and Young, and KO should emerge for a breakout season in 2014.  Calling it right now!

Do I still want Love?  Yes.  Can we ship off some combination of Sully, Jeff Green, and 1st round picks for him?

while i hope you are right, i have doubts olly can put up 15 and 7 next season. let's have some context to help us here.

most seasons between 400 to 500 players are in the nba over the course of a season.

last year, a total of 14 players averaged at least 15 points and 7 rebounds. 14. that represents about 3% to 4% of the total number of players. not a lot.

will olly be so good as to rank among the top 4% of all players of the nba in scoring and rebounds? we can hope, but i wouldn't put money on it.

how about from 13-15 pts and 7 reb avg

KO will do that next season.

After the AS break as a rookie last year, KO shot .511 overall, including .426 from the 3 and .818 on FTs. He averaged 18.8 points and 9.9 rebounds per 36 minutes. I really don't understand why people think that being an eventual 20-10 performer is so far out of his reach.

Because you are dealing with a ridiculously small sample size, taken during a non=competitive part of the schedule where teams stopped showing up defensively against the Celtics. Also, you are using Per36 stats, not per game stats.

His defense was so bad he wouldn't ever average enough minutes to justify being on the court to get enough time to reach 20/10. Also he was fouling out in 36 MPG. So that's another factor that would keep him off the court and not allow him to get 20/10.

Unless KO suddenly turns into a vastly superior defender or starts getting superstar treatment by the refs where they look the other way on all his fouls, he isn't coming near 20/10 next year.

As I said earlier, if he can improve on last years numbers of 9/5/1...that's gotta be a good thing and probably the thing we should most hope for. Putting these unrealistic expectations on this kid is just not fair to him.

I wasn't suggesting that he'd reach 20/10 in his sophomore season. And of course rookie bigs, especially, get more fouls as they learn the league and refs simply call 'rookie fouls' on them. (Also, it would have taken him 38 minutes  to foul out, on average, in that span of games.)

I fully expect him to play more minutes than he did last year, and I don't expect to see nearly a repeat of his somewhat rough first couple of months of play.

As to his defense, he's clearly got more muscle on him than he had last year and he's a smart player, so I fully expect him to keep learning and to become an adequate defender.

[footey]

I watched the game on the replay last night, did not have a chance to see it live.  After all the hype I read about Kelly before the watching, I was almost expecting the second coming of Michael Jordan, so naturally was a bit disappointed in the actual performance I saw.  I saw a pretty similar player as far as skill set goes; can hit open jumper, moves smoothly, if not quickly, and has  decent BBIQ. But he also made a few turnovers, and struggled on getting rebounds in traffic.  Also did not feel he played any better defensively.  Yes, he seems more toned physically, but having trouble seeing any discernible difference in his game.  He is a decent player, but let's not go crazy here.

I thought Colton Iverson improved on the offensive end.  I could see him playing a poor man's Perk like role for this team. Someone to size up and beat up on other teams' bigs.

I also thought the Smart talk went a little overboard.  He was okay. It was his first summer league, so I'm not going to read into it one way or the other. 

I would have no problem giving up Smart and Kelly in a trade for Love.

[D.o.s.]

Yes ...

KO= new White Durrant

You heard it here first.

[nickagneta]

During the last 16 games of the season, the last month, the Celtics scored 100.8 points per game.

During the first 66 games of the season the Celtics scored 95.1 points per game.

I think its a fair statement to say teams weren't playing very hard defense against the Celtics during the part of the season Olynyk shined most.

Not coincidentally Olynyk played his most minutes per game during the exact same period of the year.