Would you rather trade Sully or Oly?

[knuckleballer]

post-allstar stats

Sully:  13.4 points, 7.9 rebounds, 1.5 assists, 40%/29%/79%  28.4 minutes
Oly:   11.7 points, 6.2 rebounds, 1.5 assists, 51%/43%/82%  22.5 minutes

Post all-star Per-36:

Sully:  16.9 points, 10 rebounds, 1.9 assists, 40%/29%/79%
Oly:  18.7 points, 9.9 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 51%/43%/82%

Small sample size, but interesting.  People claim Sully is a superior rebounder... Oly doesn't seem significantly worse.   Oly seems to be a superior offensive player and passer... .neither is a factor defensively.

OK, so those statistics show they are similar rebounders, but when I see Sully going for a rebound, the ball sticks to his hands while frequently bouncing off KO's hands.  I don't know, maybe my eyes deceive me.

[LarBrd33]

Sullinger.

I think KO is the better player moving forward. More skilled than Sully already and as we saw in his new body, looks like he works harder.

I don't think it's fair to say KO is more skilled.  He may be more dynamic, but Sully's post and rebounding skills are superior and valuable.  If only he would dedicate himself to fitness...

Don't think either is an elite rebounder.  I read an article years ago about how rebounding rate has the least amount of variance of any NBA statistic.  Someone is either a good rebounder or they aren't... and players don't suddenly develop into great rebounders later in their career.  Last season (the whole season) Sullinger averaged 10.6 per 36 minutes.  Oly averaged 9.4...  That's not much of a dramatic difference.   Kevin Love has averaged 13 (per 36) over his career. 

[LarBrd33]

post-allstar stats

Sully:  13.4 points, 7.9 rebounds, 1.5 assists, 40%/29%/79%  28.4 minutes
Oly:   11.7 points, 6.2 rebounds, 1.5 assists, 51%/43%/82%  22.5 minutes

Post all-star Per-36:

Sully:  16.9 points, 10 rebounds, 1.9 assists, 40%/29%/79%
Oly:  18.7 points, 9.9 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 51%/43%/82%

Small sample size, but interesting.  People claim Sully is a superior rebounder... Oly doesn't seem significantly worse.   Oly seems to be a superior offensive player and passer... .neither is a factor defensively.

OK, so those statistics show they are similar rebounders, but when I see Sully going for a rebound, the ball sticks to his hands while frequently bouncing off KO's hands.  I don't know, maybe my eyes deceive me.

Sully is probably a better rebounder... but I'm not sure it's significant.  And I'm not sure either is going to be an "elite" rebounder.   I imagine Oly's game (which has him on the perimeter pretty often) will prevent him from ever being a guy who pulls down 10+ boards a night.  He's not going to be exclusively crashing down low.  That might only impact offensive boards, though.  Then again, Kevin Love has a versatile offensive game and he still manages to pull down a lot of offensive boards.

[Chris22]

Trade neither.

They are both good and cheap.

[SCeltic34]

post-allstar stats

Sully:  13.4 points, 7.9 rebounds, 1.5 assists, 40%/29%/79%  28.4 minutes
Oly:   11.7 points, 6.2 rebounds, 1.5 assists, 51%/43%/82%  22.5 minutes

Post all-star Per-36:

Sully:  16.9 points, 10 rebounds, 1.9 assists, 40%/29%/79%
Oly:  18.7 points, 9.9 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 51%/43%/82%

Small sample size, but interesting.  People claim Sully is a superior rebounder... Oly doesn't seem significantly worse.   Oly seems to be a superior offensive player and passer... .neither is a factor defensively.

OK, so those statistics show they are similar rebounders, but when I see Sully going for a rebound, the ball sticks to his hands while frequently bouncing off KO's hands.  I don't know, maybe my eyes deceive me.

Sully is probably a better rebounder... but I'm not sure it's significant.  And I'm not sure either is going to be an "elite" rebounder.   I imagine Oly's game (which has him on the perimeter pretty often) will prevent him from ever being a guy who pulls down 10+ boards a night.  He's not going to be exclusively crashing down low.  That might only impact offensive boards, though.  Then again, Kevin Love has a versatile offensive game and he still manages to pull down a lot of offensive boards.

The eye test indicates Sully is a better rebounder.

I haven't looked at the numbers, but I think Sully's rebounding numbers would be better if he wasn't trying to act as a stretch 4 this season and instead was playing around the basket more.  He's a terrific offensive rebounder.  He seemed to pull down less ORebs this season than last season.

If I had to choose one to trade, it'd probably be Sully.  But such a question is far too general.  It's a lot easier to answer when you know what players you're getting back.

[Roy H.]

I would have preferred to keep Sully.  But in the past few days or so, we have learned that Olynyk has been working his butt off in the gym getting in better shape while Sully has been eating chips on the couch talking about it.

That's where I am.  Sully should be the better prospect, but between his weight and his back, he's high risk. 

[knuckleballer]

post-allstar stats

Sully:  13.4 points, 7.9 rebounds, 1.5 assists, 40%/29%/79%  28.4 minutes
Oly:   11.7 points, 6.2 rebounds, 1.5 assists, 51%/43%/82%  22.5 minutes

Post all-star Per-36:

Sully:  16.9 points, 10 rebounds, 1.9 assists, 40%/29%/79%
Oly:  18.7 points, 9.9 rebounds, 2.4 assists, 51%/43%/82%

Small sample size, but interesting.  People claim Sully is a superior rebounder... Oly doesn't seem significantly worse.   Oly seems to be a superior offensive player and passer... .neither is a factor defensively.

OK, so those statistics show they are similar rebounders, but when I see Sully going for a rebound, the ball sticks to his hands while frequently bouncing off KO's hands.  I don't know, maybe my eyes deceive me.

Sully is probably a better rebounder... but I'm not sure it's significant.  And I'm not sure either is going to be an "elite" rebounder.   I imagine Oly's game (which has him on the perimeter pretty often) will prevent him from ever being a guy who pulls down 10+ boards a night.  He's not going to be exclusively crashing down low.  That might only impact offensive boards, though.  Then again, Kevin Love has a versatile offensive game and he still manages to pull down a lot of offensive boards.

The eye test indicates Sully is a better rebounder.

I haven't looked at the numbers, but I think Sully's rebounding numbers would be better if he wasn't trying to act as a stretch 4 this season and playing around the basket more.  He's a terrific offensive rebounder.  He seemed to pull down less ORebs this season than last season.

If I had to choose one to trade, it'd probably be Sully.  But such a question is far too general.  It's a lot easier to answer when you know what players you're getting back.

I agree with that. In a trade for Love, I would rather trade Sully since I think their talents are somewhat redundant.  Olynyk can provide offense off the bench as the third big playing both center and PF depending on match ups. It's a better fit.

[Who]

high school highlights...normally players get more mobile after.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7Nlrpxo390

Thanks for posting that. That was great. Never saw a Sully high school video before.

[knuckleballer]

high school highlights...normally players get more mobile after.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7Nlrpxo390

Thanks for posting that. That was great. Never saw a Sully high school video before.

Who chose the crap music for that?  It was painful.

[SCeltic34]

Olynyk is growing on me, but I don't really see him drastically improving. I think he pretty much maxed out his potential more or less.

I'm curious as to what makes you think this.   He could still make significant improvements in his:

1) Body.  Agility, strength, and conditioning.  Hopefully Brian Doo and crew can maximize the improvement in his lateral agility, because he's lacking there.
2) Ball-handling.  He almost exclusively drives left.  He loves to take two dribbles left and then spin right.  Coaches and players will catch on to this eventually.  If he could drive right equally effectively, he'd be a major matchup problem for other bigs.
3) Defense.  Nobody expects a rookie big man to play well defensively, so improvements are to be expected in subsequent seasons.
4) Offensive comfort level.  As a rookie, he almost never posted up.  I think he could be a terrific post-up threat given his passing ability and offensive skill set.  We're probably going to see more of it this season, and he'll improve as he gains more experience.

Even if he makes these improvements, among others, I don't expect him to become an All-Star (prove me wrong Kelly).  But he'll be a very solid piece to have.

[Kane3387]

I wonder who people consider to be more valuable around the league...

[Future Celtics Owner]

high school highlights...normally players get more mobile after.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7Nlrpxo390

Thanks for posting that. That was great. Never saw a Sully high school video before.

Who chose the crap music for that?  It was painful.

Wow. Sully got less mobile since hs?

[fairweatherfan]

I think they're pretty similar ability-wise, but the injury concerns and size issues (in both directions) make me greatly prefer Oly.  Seems like the much safer bet right now.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

keep both.

[nickagneta]

The right choice is to trade Oly. He is definitely the player with the lower upside and worse defense. He is benefitting right now from exposure at summer league which as we all know is just summer league and not a great indicator of future success. Meanwhile Sully had a story about him that was unflattering. But when it comes time to play actual NBA regular season basketball, after this entire summer off, I think Sully will show he is the much better ball player.

And please people, do not inundate me with meaningless stats from half a season of Olynyk or the stats from his final 2 weeks last year. I have seen them and given their context do not put a lot of weight into their meaning since we were a horrible team and teams knew this and took nights off guarding the Celtics in the 2nd half of last year. I will wait for a larger sample size to sift through thank you very much