Ainge and Stevens call Gordon Hayward

[chambers]

just don't understand it with this guy.

White guy with similar stats to Jeff Green so we should pay him another 5 million a year?
Here's a tip:
Any team paying Gordon f*&% Hayward $12 million per year isn't winning a championship.

Dictionary meaning of over rated.

[BleedGreen1989]

just don't understand it with this guy.

White guy with similar stats to Jeff Green so we should pay him another 5 million a year?
Here's a tip:
Any team paying Gordon f*&% Hayward $12 million per year isn't winning a championship.

Dictionary meaning of over rated.

I think the idea is to get him below what his perceived "market value" is.

You essentially pay Utah not to match. That's one of the methods a S&T is executed.

If Ainge said he'd give Jeff Green and the PHI pick, would Utah simply not match a offer sheet Hayward signs with Boston at a figure south of $12mill?

[Celtic Fan Forever]

just don't understand it with this guy.

White guy with similar stats to Jeff Green so we should pay him another 5 million a year?
Here's a tip:
Any team paying Gordon f*&% Hayward $12 million per year isn't winning a championship.

Dictionary meaning of over rated.

If he signs an offer sheet for $12 mil per year, Utah matches it in a heartbeat. I'm just scared Danny might offer more

[Surferdad]

just don't understand it with this guy.

White guy with similar stats to Jeff Green so we should pay him another 5 million a year?
Here's a tip:
Any team paying Gordon f*&% Hayward $12 million per year isn't winning a championship.

Dictionary meaning of over rated.

TP for you, my thoughts as well. I would definitely rather just keep Green who I think is a better defender. People love to show Hayward's stats to justify how good he is, but you have to defend as well people.

[Greenback]

A famous quote: "The cynic knows the price of everything and the value of nothing."

The word "coachable" comes to mind when I think of Hayward. 

Not all of the Celtics on the current roster are said to have that quality.

[showtime]

I love him.  He's better than any player the C's have now.

I like him too.

I would like to see him play for the Cs, if he can play SF.

He can't, and after you saw him you wouldn't want him to.

[dmopower]

People here either seem to love him or hate him.  I watched a lot of Jazz games this year.  I'm going with the love him crowd.  I think overall he is an upgrade at sf over Green.  I do think he could play the sf position as well as guard.  I think the main area he is an upgrade is his ability to be a playmaker.  He does this pretty well and JG has no playmaking ability.  With all due respect to JG as he is a nice guy.  I am done with this experiment.  I would rather get Monroe though.

[j804]

just don't understand it with this guy.

White guy with similar stats to Jeff Green so we should pay him another 5 million a year?
Here's a tip:
Any team paying Gordon f*&% Hayward $12 million per year isn't winning a championship.

Dictionary meaning of over rated.

If he signs an offer sheet for $12 mil per year, Utah matches it in a heartbeat. I'm just scared Danny might offer more

I thought we had nowhere near that to offer anybody

[Future Celtics Owner]

We should just keep Jeff Green. We all know he has it in him to be an all star type player. His stock is way too low right now, and id hate to se him traded to another team where he is the 3rd option and tear it up.

[Norcalceltic]

Let's compare the stats of two players.

Player 1: 16.9 ppg 4.6 rpg 1.7 apg .412 fg% .341 3p%

Player 2: 16.2 ppg 5.1 rpg 5.2 apg .413 fg% .304 3p%

but according to many fans on this forum, one is overpriced and should have been shipped out years ago. And one a big upgrade compared to the other player.

Player 1 is Jeff Green, Player 2 is Gordon Hayward.
 
The weird fascination many fans have had with Hayward for the past year has boggled my mind. Fans are getting hype for Mike Dunleavy the third? I'd like to have Hayward as a compliment to Green, but I take Green over this kid. They are basically the same player offensively, but Green is a better defender. Do all Celtics fans go crazy over white small forwards and see the second coming of Bird? Do Rockets fans go crazy over 7 foot West African players and see Hakeem?

[knuckleballer]

Let's compare the stats of two players.

Player 1: 16.9 ppg 4.6 rpg 1.7 apg .412 fg% .341 3p%

Player 2: 16.2 ppg 5.1 rpg 5.2 apg .413 fg% .304 3p%

but according to many fans on this forum, one is overpriced and should have been shipped out years ago. And one a big upgrade compared to the other player.

Player 1 is Jeff Green, Player 2 is Gordon Hayward.
 
The weird fascination many fans have had with Hayward for the past year has boggled my mind. Fans are getting hype for Mike Dunleavy the third? I'd like to have Hayward as a compliment to Green, but I take Green over this kid. They are basically the same player offensively, but Green is a better defender. Do all Celtics fans go crazy over white small forwards and see the second coming of Bird? Do Rockets fans go crazy over 7 foot West African players and see Hakeem?

The difference in assists is a big deal to me.  It means Heyward is creating opportunities for his teammates and Green is not.  While his three point shooting was worse than Green's, he's been better than Green over his career shooting 41.5% percent the season before last.

[chambers]

Let's compare the stats of two players.

Player 1: 16.9 ppg 4.6 rpg 1.7 apg .412 fg% .341 3p%

Player 2: 16.2 ppg 5.1 rpg 5.2 apg .413 fg% .304 3p%

but according to many fans on this forum, one is overpriced and should have been shipped out years ago. And one a big upgrade compared to the other player.

Player 1 is Jeff Green, Player 2 is Gordon Hayward.
 
The weird fascination many fans have had with Hayward for the past year has boggled my mind. Fans are getting hype for Mike Dunleavy the third? I'd like to have Hayward as a compliment to Green, but I take Green over this kid. They are basically the same player offensively, but Green is a better defender. Do all Celtics fans go crazy over white small forwards and see the second coming of Bird? Do Rockets fans go crazy over 7 foot West African players and see Hakeem?

The difference in assists is a big deal to me.  It means Heyward is creating opportunities for his teammates and Green is not.  While his three point shooting was worse than Green's, he's been better than Green over his career shooting 41.5% percent the season before last.

For a 2 guard last year it's arguable that he was a stiff.
I mean he's shooting 41% from the field and 30.5% from three point land. Ok he's got 5 assists but defensively he's got .062 defensive win shares and a defensive rating vs his offense of -7 (negative seven).

What is the point of paying this chump 12-15 million a year? I just don't get it.

[kozlodoev]

If he signs an offer sheet for $12 mil per year, Utah matches it in a heartbeat. I'm just scared Danny might offer more

I don't think we'll have cap space for this.

[pokeKingCurtis]

Let's compare the stats of two players.

Player 1: 16.9 ppg 4.6 rpg 1.7 apg .412 fg% .341 3p%

Player 2: 16.2 ppg 5.1 rpg 5.2 apg .413 fg% .304 3p%

but according to many fans on this forum, one is overpriced and should have been shipped out years ago. And one a big upgrade compared to the other player.

Player 1 is Jeff Green, Player 2 is Gordon Hayward.
 
The weird fascination many fans have had with Hayward for the past year has boggled my mind. Fans are getting hype for Mike Dunleavy the third? I'd like to have Hayward as a compliment to Green, but I take Green over this kid. They are basically the same player offensively, but Green is a better defender. Do all Celtics fans go crazy over white small forwards and see the second coming of Bird? Do Rockets fans go crazy over 7 foot West African players and see Hakeem?

The difference in assists is a big deal to me.  It means Heyward is creating opportunities for his teammates and Green is not.  While his three point shooting was worse than Green's, he's been better than Green over his career shooting 41.5% percent the season before last.

For a 2 guard last year it's arguable that he was a stiff.
I mean he's shooting 41% from the field and 30.5% from three point land. Ok he's got 5 assists but defensively he's got .062 defensive win shares and a defensive rating vs his offense of -7 (negative seven).

What is the point of paying this chump 12-15 million a year? I just don't get it.

Potential.

Which is why I'm torn.

There's merit to both sides.

God knows how many GMs have fallen victim to "potential".

But he's a 6'7 ball handling swingman with athleticism and skill.

[dmopower]

Hayward was the best player on a bad team last year.  With the loss of Milsap and AJ he was asked to do much more.  His bball IQ is much higher than Greens and it shows in the way Hayward moves without the ball.  Getting himself open and making the defense work to follow him allowing others better opportunitys.  Sometime the man moving without the ball actually makes a play as the defense has to react or pay the bill.

 I don't know if he will ever be a star but he will make everybody on the floor a little better than they are with Green on the floor.  IMO