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Re: Celtics extend QO to Bradley
« Reply #15 on: June 29, 2014, 12:30:16 PM »

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I'm in the keep Bradley camp unless some teams gives him a ridiculous offer. Last year he had to do too much on offense as we didn't have a guy who could break down the defense and create opportunities for others (Rondo was out half of the year and wasn't 100% when he did play). When Avery gets to play his role as a pest defensively and off the ball offensively (3 point shooter + making cuts to the rim), he is can be an elite role player. I'm not too concerned about his injuries as it's usually a freak injury like a shoulder or an ankle and not a recurring problem like the knee / back.

There's more then enough minutes for Rondo/Bradley/Smart in the backcourt next year and in some instances I can see them all playing together. If we trade Rondo or he leaves in free agency next year, a Smart/Bradley backcourt is intriguing going forward too.

Bradley can also be a valuable trade chip next year. Klay Thompson is rumored to be a key piece in GS potentially acquiring Kevin Love. Thompson is a year older then Bradley and his numbers were not significantly better then Bradley especially if you factor in Avery's defense. Assuming some improvement in Avery's game over the summer plus playing alongside Rondo / Smart allowing him to play mostly off the ball on offense where he is much more efficient, he could very well average 15-18 points with better shooting %s and a spot on an all-defense team. That can be a valuable piece if someone like Kevin Love become available (or Kevin Love via S&T if he isn't traded during the season).

Re: Celtics extend QO to Bradley
« Reply #16 on: June 29, 2014, 12:40:11 PM »

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Questions

1.If someone offers him a better contract and we dont match, do we get compensated?

2. As of right now we could do a sign and trade for AB rights?

3. If nobody offers ab anything can AB still refuse the teams qualifying offer?

Re: Celtics extend QO to Bradley
« Reply #17 on: June 29, 2014, 12:44:15 PM »

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Questions

1.If someone offers him a better contract and we dont match, do we get compensated?

2. As of right now we could do a sign and trade for AB rights?

3. If nobody offers ab anything can AB still refuse the teams qualifying offer?


No.

Possibly.

Sure, that's called retirement.
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Re: Celtics extend QO to Bradley
« Reply #18 on: June 29, 2014, 12:45:39 PM »

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Bradley still has upside. He's improved every year and his focus this summer will be to improve on his ballhandling and creating offense on pick and roll action. I would hate to miss out on that potential growth for what might be only a difference of 1M a year or so.

His focus should be being able to stay on the floor for over 70 games. Thats why he isn't getting that much love from the C's. That and he got greedy and turned down a good offer. He'd be making 6M a year if he would have taken the first one.

How exactly do you focus on staying healthy? It's not as though he's playing xgames or training MMA during his down time. I also don't think he was greedy, if anything he was taking the advice of his agent.

You focus on strengthening the weak areas of your body. He's had several ankle injuries. Build leg leg muscles, strengthen the core, stretch a lot, do yoga to balance out the body. 

I agree the agent may have pushed this, but AB has his own mind, and if he wanted to stay in Boston he should know there position in how much they will spend on players and taken the first offer. Especially after double shoulder injuries. With out proving that he can stay on the floor was a bad move by both AB and his Agent by passing up a good deal.

Some one may pay that, but with Smart coming to town, I think AB is a little more expendable right now.

Re: Celtics extend QO to Bradley
« Reply #19 on: June 29, 2014, 12:51:42 PM »

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You focus on strengthening the weak areas of your body. He's had several ankle injuries. Build leg leg muscles, strengthen the core, stretch a lot, do yoga to balance out the body. 

He has had bum shoulders too so it is not just legs.   He has plenty strong muscles, ever seen him jump?  At this point, the connective tissues is noodles.

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« Reply #20 on: June 29, 2014, 12:55:14 PM »

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Bradley has almost become a rare 'underrated' player in today's NBA. I keep him anywhere up till $8mill.

Re: Celtics extend QO to Bradley
« Reply #21 on: June 29, 2014, 01:04:43 PM »

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Bradley has almost become a rare 'underrated' player in today's NBA. I keep him anywhere up till $8mill.

Carmelo Anthony is underrated. Russell Westbrook is underrated. An argument is to be made that Rajon Rondo is underrated. Avery Bradley is usually not, in that his strengths are often overemphasized in relationship to his weaknesses.
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« Reply #22 on: June 29, 2014, 01:51:18 PM »

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You focus on strengthening the weak areas of your body. He's had several ankle injuries. Build leg leg muscles, strengthen the core, stretch a lot, do yoga to balance out the body. 

He has had bum shoulders too so it is not just legs.   He has plenty strong muscles, ever seen him jump?  At this point, the connective tissues is noodles.

Jump muscles and support muscle are two different things. You can have a guy squat 500lbs, and have a 24 inch vert, but a guy that does 300lbs, and has a 33 inch vert. Thats were some thing like stretch's and yogo comes into place.

 Big muscles don't mean strength. Ever see a video of a bodybuilder take on an arm wrestler half his size. It's pretty funny to see a hulking guy struggling against some one half his size and then to lose.

He pretty much needs to find a new work out program that focuses full body, low impact and control. Make that the base, then add other work outs for basketball.


Re: Celtics extend QO to Bradley
« Reply #23 on: June 29, 2014, 02:12:04 PM »

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He is a luxury ......not needed on a rebuilding team.....this team without Melo, Love, or such doesn't need him .......we need Elite players first and then find the supporting cast.....do like Philly and tank for every 7 center for the next six years.....and tade them off for assets.....other players


We need to save space and pennies , picks ,tanks ....ect to get a franchise big man.....once we get a franchise player ....

Go for,the Stevensons, Bradley's etc..


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« Reply #24 on: June 29, 2014, 02:20:22 PM »

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Give his minutes to Smart/Young. Use the money saved & sign Humphries.

So true.

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« Reply #25 on: June 29, 2014, 02:24:02 PM »

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He is still a young asset. You just don't let young assets walk for nothing.  Sign and trade him or keep him.
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« Reply #26 on: June 29, 2014, 02:28:36 PM »

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How about a S&T to a contender for a a veteran player and role players. Pacers for Mahimi and S&T with Turner?
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Re: Celtics extend QO to Bradley
« Reply #27 on: June 29, 2014, 02:56:11 PM »

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Jump muscles and support muscle are two different things. You can have a guy squat 500lbs, and have a 24 inch vert, but a guy that does 300lbs, and has a 33 inch vert. Thats were some thing like stretch's and yogo comes into place.

 Big muscles don't mean strength. Ever see a video of a bodybuilder take on an arm wrestler half his size. It's pretty funny to see a hulking guy struggling against some one half his size and then to lose.

No where did I say, he had big muscles, I said he had strong ones.   So go off on your tanget that doesn't apply here.   I doubt you squat much or jump high, so cut the BS routine.  I don't know where you got your info but it is wrong. 

Olympic lifting especially the power lifts are some of the best ways to build strength and they strengthen the core while you do them.   Power lifters have some of the best verticals out there.   While it is true that big muscles do not equate to leaping or power.   Thin guys generally are not as powerful as muscular guys.     

Stretching isn't very good for verticals.  There is a good deal of research that says it lowers verticals especially right after the stretch.

I see no yoga gurus in the NBA.  Some players may take it up to increase flexibility but guess what gymnasts and martial sprain their ankles too and they are boku flexible.


Re: Celtics extend QO to Bradley
« Reply #28 on: June 29, 2014, 03:34:34 PM »

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Shaq is correct, this roster is awash in complementary players. Bradley needs to be coming off the bench on a good team and playing terrific defense to exploit his value. He did this in Boston.

With no fireworks this summer, he just doesn't have a lot of value. Don't see him as a starter. I watched all of his games last year. On a good team he's a bench player...a good one.

Regrettably, beyond Rondo, this sums up the current roster.  Ainge wanted a high draft pick? Put a lot of complementary players on the court, skip getting a center, make your star take every other game off and if anyone breaks out (Jordan Crawford) and starts carrying the team to victory? Trade his butt tout suite.

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« Reply #29 on: June 29, 2014, 03:36:27 PM »

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Jump muscles and support muscle are two different things. You can have a guy squat 500lbs, and have a 24 inch vert, but a guy that does 300lbs, and has a 33 inch vert. Thats were some thing like stretch's and yogo comes into place.

 Big muscles don't mean strength. Ever see a video of a bodybuilder take on an arm wrestler half his size. It's pretty funny to see a hulking guy struggling against some one half his size and then to lose.

No where did I say, he had big muscles, I said he had strong ones.   So go off on your tanget that doesn't apply here.   I doubt you squat much or jump high, so cut the BS routine.  I don't know where you got your info but it is wrong. 

Olympic lifting especially the power lifts are some of the best ways to build strength and they strengthen the core while you do them.   Power lifters have some of the best verticals out there.   While it is true that big muscles do not equate to leaping or power.   Thin guys generally are not as powerful as muscular guys.     

Stretching isn't very good for verticals.  There is a good deal of research that says it lowers verticals especially right after the stretch.

I see no yoga gurus in the NBA.  Some players may take it up to increase flexibility but guess what gymnasts and martial sprain their ankles too and they are boku flexible.


First, I missed spoke about the BIG muscle, my bad. Second your out of line.

My wife has a DPT, and we have gone over AB's constant injuries. I also have a friend that is a strength trainer who owns his own gym. Who had constantly sprained his ankles before taking up his new current career. Now it's been a none issue.

I use to lift before my back got bad. I had a friend roughly the same build who could squat twice as much as me, I couldn't do much for some reason, around 150, yet I had a good 6 inch's on my vert. I'm 5'8" and could hang on the rim when I was at my peak working out and playing right out of highshool. I can still touch the bottom of the rim box, 10 years older, way less working out and about 60lbs heavier. No BS.

My friends father, a 5'5" 130lbs pot smoking hippie, who does sound for bands can lift the big speakers with ease where his partner, whos much bigger struggles.

While stretching does decrease your vert a bit right after, its not going to effect it the next day.

Again sorry about miss quoting you about the strong muscle, but you were a bit out of line calling me out on BS and saying my info is wrong. It was a mixture of conversations with professionals talking about AB when he hurt his ankle again, and personal experience. Of course an other professional would disagree, and thats why there are so many work out programs because every one is different. Thats Why I said AB needs to find a new work out, because what he's doing isn't working keeping him on the floor.