Danny Ainge and Brad Stevens are to blame

[Future Celtics Owner]

i can get randle or 4 or 5 pick or 8 9 10

bass humphries faverani wallace green anthony all should have been traded for any of those picks
even though we don't win anything this year, i'm still happy because as far as i can see it, smart with rondo? hhmm

another question, would you pay wallace humphries bass those big contracts?
and are those players will stay as celtics in 3 or 4 more years?
smart could be our future pg, but if rondo stays maybe eric bledsoe role here in celtics or reggie jackson role back-up PG, or norris cole, until rondo is gone, now he can start as our PG

bucks magic 76ers cleveland are way more better in terms of tanking, unless we got a KD type in our team via draft

Those franchises have horrible front offices. And its a matter of time before the screw up again.

[MISSERY]

Clench....I hated winning those 2 games, and every game ..especially against miami, but Marcus Smart is better than you think. If he turns out to be Deron Williams but more athletic, will you be happy because thats what i think will happen. I was very surprised that Smart was not selected by the Magic, who had the 4th pic, and I bet they will regret it.

if he turns out to be d-will

bye bye rondo, its time for you to go

[GreenWarrior]

so player developement isnt in your plan at all?

this game isn't about developing players. it's about winning championships.

[GreenWarrior]

wow! there's still people that think D-will is better than Rondo?

[DraftSmart33]

i can get randle or 4 or 5 pick or 8 9 10

bass humphries faverani wallace green anthony all should have been traded for any of those picks
even though we don't win anything this year, i'm still happy because as far as i can see it, smart with rondo? hhmm

another question, would you pay wallace humphries bass those big contracts?
and are those players will stay as celtics in 3 or 4 more years?
smart could be our future pg, but if rondo stays maybe eric bledsoe role here in celtics or reggie jackson role back-up PG, or norris cole, until rondo is gone, now he can start as our PG

bucks magic 76ers cleveland are way more better in terms of tanking, unless we got a KD type in our team via draft

I'm not sure what you are talking about but it sounds like you believe big contracts are easy to get rid of.  Wallace is going to take a minor miracle to rid ourselves of, Humphries is already off the books, and Bass has a reasonable contract for his age and talent level.

Ainge is clearly trying to keep the flexibility of dismantling this team for youth or a retooling.  I think Love is still in play but I could obviously be wrong.  Also remember Free Agency doesn't open up until July 1st and the Garnett trade didn't happen until the 30th.

I'm more in the rebuild with young talent camp. 
- The Pacers drafted Hibbert, George, Granger, Stephonson
- The Thunder drafted Westbrook, Ibaka, Harden, Durant
- The Spurs drafted Duncan, Ginobli, Parker

I think Smart has a chance to be a really good player, but he clearly needs time to develop his game and ability.  We should also remember that he is almost 10 years younger than Rondo. 

[YoungOne87]

so player developement isnt in your plan at all?

this game isn't about developing players. it's about winning championships.

yeah and the spurs win titles by developing their players.

[Schiller]

Why don't you (or various others on this forum) have ANY patience? Brad Stevens is a first year coach and a very highly regarded first year coach at that. Danny is known for being a trader and also a highly regarded one. The off-season isn't over. You can't see the future. We have plenty of assets. Quit your moaning, have some patience and if need be you can complain once the season starts if you're unhappy.

[Celtics18]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2V3SNrkpp0

[GreenWarrior]

so player developement isnt in your plan at all?

this game isn't about developing players. it's about winning championships.

yeah and the spurs win titles by developing their players.

congratulations! you just proved the point I will now make.

the spurs are about the only team in the last 30 plus yrs. that have "developed" their players and won championships doing it.

not dismissing what they have done because they have done an incredible job. but they lucked into their success. specifically Duncan, who if they did not get. they would not be so fortunate. Fact!

if you can wait 30 plus yrs. maybe more then again congratulations!

[Sketch5]

Wow....

If we ended up with the 3rd pick we'd have a question mark in a player that we wouldn't know will ever be able to see the floor in long stretch's. Wiggins could be Jeff Green 2.0, and Parker could be a poor mans PP. Parker may have been the only safe bet.

BUT Smart is no slouch. What Wiggins lacks in competitiveness, Smart exceeds at. The two things that Smart really lacks is height(for a  guard) and out side shot. I have a feeling the out side shot will get better. He's not as bad of a shooter as people think, and when he gets hot, it's pretty sick.

Plus we still have 7 more 1st rounders in the next 4 years. It's year one in the rebuild and I think we are in better shape than the 76ers,Bucks,Magic,Nuggets,Kings,,Minni, and if  the Lakers and Knicks can't pull off and good FA signings, them too. Cav's got lucky and they still may not get into the playoffs next season. Utah has been out of the playoffs for a while, and have a good foundation, but in the West they are still a player away form being competitive.

For young guys we have AB,Sully,KO,Pressy,Johnson,Fav,Smart,Young. Smart,Young,Sully,KO all have a shot of having a big upside.

Ebiid,Noel, who knows if they see the court. Parker I think should be good if he stays in shape, Wiggins needs some attitude, but he seems like a passive player, even from comments. Exum is an unknown, could be the best player of the draft, could be a complete bust.

Smart could be one of the top 3 players in this draft if he gets an outside shot and keeps the turnover down. And yet we still have a ton of assets, and if we trad Rondo will most likely be out of the playoffs again and picking in the top 10.

Stevens has started to get a reputation of being a good coach. And other players are taken notice. Thats good for landing FA's.

So I do blame DA and Stevens, for putting us in a good position to succeed sooner than later.

[danglertx]

so player developement isnt in your plan at all?

this game isn't about developing players. it's about winning championships.

yeah and the spurs win titles by developing their players.

congratulations! you just proved the point I will now make.

the spurs are about the only team in the last 30 plus yrs. that have "developed" their players and won championships doing it.

not dismissing what they have done because they have done an incredible job. but they lucked into their success. specifically Duncan, who if they did not get. they would not be so fortunate. Fact!

if you can wait 30 plus yrs. maybe more then again congratulations!

Didn't Detroit really develop most of their own players?  Some came early, like Lambeer but he really developed with Detroit.  Sheed and Aguire were the only two really established players I can think of that came over.

Regardless, it isn't a situation where you can only do it one way.  Indiana has basically developed their roster themselves and minus a meltdown for whatever personal reasons, they seemed like they were on their way to seriously contending for championships.

If it were obvious and easy, every team would do it.  You have to make sound decisions, develop your own talent, trade for better talent when it becomes available, and get lucky in a lot of situations.  There isn't one magic way of doing it.

[Donoghus]

The season hasn't even started yet..... 

Hell, free agency hasn't even started yet.

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

solid logic!

the cavs had the #1 pick and couldn't trade for Love either. plus the C's still aren't giving up on trading for Love. they did however draft Wiggins. if he is able to improve that team by 20 - 30 wins this season then we can concede we should have tanked. but Danny didn't see him as a guy that could do that and I don't even think the Cavs envision him being able to do that.

Philly outright tanked and didn't get the #1 pick . in fact they weren't even the worst team. Mil. was and they didn't get the pick they deserved either.

there's a time to "tank" and there isn't. this wasn't the yr. to do so. no franchise altering player(s). it was a deep draft as far as good players go but none are going to turn a team around quickly or even give a franchise the thought of being able to do so.

we got a good player in Smart, so did the Cavs, so did a lot of other teams.

what's the point?

well stated and i agree. while exam would have been nice, smart is by no means a "booby prize" for the celtics.

not sure how this thread will generate informed and interesting discussions, so it is time for me to move on to other topics and threads here at cb. see you all there!

lol

[Boston Garden Leprechaun]

This is what happens when you don't tank like you're suppose to.  For some reason I had a feeling this might happen and we may be in this mess for a long time.  It's either you tank ALL THE WAY or don't tank at all.  On draft day I was glad about our picks but our mediocre assets may have had more appeal if we had picked in the first 4.  We did the best we could with number 6 and 17 but everyone knows it's a huge drop off after the first four.  We won those two pointless games at the end of the season which really hurt our standing in the lottery.  Also Danny should've traded Green (I don't get Danny's infatuation with this guy) or Humph.  Stevens should also learn how to play the game in the NBA; how to lose (and loose all the way) in order to win again.  I feel this is going to bite us in the ass if it hasn't already.  This sucks.  What a huge difference two games makes.

Anti-tankers can rejoice now.  Look where we're at.  We're not going to contend for a very long time

meh. i agree we shoulda been top 5 maybe even top 4.....but we still would not have gotten parker or wiggins or embiid.  what's done is done. I will say this though if we are tanking this year we had best go all out and do it right. secure a top 3 pick....and only one way to do that....

[DraftSmart33]

so player developement isnt in your plan at all?

this game isn't about developing players. it's about winning championships.

yeah and the spurs win titles by developing their players.

congratulations! you just proved the point I will now make.

the spurs are about the only team in the last 30 plus yrs. that have "developed" their players and won championships doing it.

not dismissing what they have done because they have done an incredible job. but they lucked into their success. specifically Duncan, who if they did not get. they would not be so fortunate. Fact!

if you can wait 30 plus yrs. maybe more then again congratulations!

How is Oklahoma City?  How is Indiana?  How are the Spurs?  Did Atlanta make the playoffs?  The Bulls? 

Your commentary is wrong.  There are teams created various ways but most have some component of a solid draft pick and player development.

1986 Boston Celtics (Drafted Bird, Ainge, McHale)
1987   Los Angeles Lakers (Drafted Magic, Worthy, A.C Green)
1988   Los Angeles Lakers (Above)
1989   Detroit Pistons (Thomas, Dumars, Sally, Rodman)
1990   Detroit Pistons (Above)
1991   Chicago Bulls (Jordan, Pippen (rookie trade), Grant, Purdue, Armstrong, King, Kukoc)   
1992   Chicago Bulls (above)
1993   Chicago Bulls (above)
1994   Houston Rockets    (Hakeem, Horry, Cassel)
1995   Houston Rockets    (above)
1996   Chicago Bulls (see 1991)
1997   Chicago Bulls (above)
1998   Chicago Bulls (above)
1999 San Antonio Spurs (Robinson, Duncan, Elliot)
2000   Los Angeles Lakers (Kobe [draft day trade for Divac], Fisher, George, Madsen,
2001   Los Angeles Lakers (above)   
2002   Los Angeles Lakers (above)
2003   San Antonio Spurs (see every other spurs)
2004   Detroit Pistons (Prince...the team that was mostly trades)
2005   San Antonio Spurs (see every other spurs
2006   Miami Heat (Wade, Haslem, Butler)
2007   San Antonio Spurs (see every other spurs)
2008   Boston Celtics (Pierce, Rondo, Perkins, Allen)
2009   Los Angeles Lakers (Kobe, Bynum, Fisher, Walton)
2010   Los Angeles Lakers (Above)
2011   Dallas Mavericks    (Nowitski, Kidd)
2012 Miami Heat (below)   
2013   Miami Heat (Wade, Haslem, Chalmers, Cole)   
2014   San Antonio Spurs (Duncan, Ginobli, Parker, Splitter)

Most of these teams had key trades that propelled them to a Championship but it was their development that gave them fuel for those trades and gave them the key pieces to build upon.