Shoulda released Humph and Bayless

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Should have #KEEPHUMP.

Use Bass and either Sully or KO as trade chips to acquire a star or a Center. Humphries at less than what he was making last year playing backup PF/C minutes would be great for us.

[winsomme]

Ah.. another we didn't tank hard enough thread...

I'll tune in to see if it gets new never seen before content.

So leading up to the draft, it's been "just you wait and see" and now one day after it's come to fruition it's "enough with the complaining already"?

Um, no. Now is exactly the time to complain. The thing many have been pointing out much of the season finally hits and now the people rebuffing all along don't want to hear it?

The "we didn't tank hard enough" complaint may not be new, but the clarity of our prospects of being a good team any time soon couldn't be newer.

Well, I'm extremely happy with Smart, he was the guy I wanted. And as history has once again shown, having the worst record in the league doesn't guarantee the first pick. So even if we ended up with the 4th or 5th pick, Smart would still be the guy I wanted.

And my comment was towards a repetition of the same content in these threads, and the need for people to start their own thread to post their opinions of matters that are being discussed in 20 other threads.

So with that said, I'll sit back and enjoy what is going to be posted in this thread... hopefully something not being discussed elsewhere, but I'm not keeping my hopes up.

You know who you could have drafted with the 4th or 5th pick? Smart. But you know who we couldn't trade for with the 6th pick? KLove.

Look if Rondo stays here and continues to build with this team, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. But I'm certainly not going to hide when the things I was worried about happening start happening.

The next shoe to drop IMO is Rondo getting moved and that would be a very sad day for me as a Cs fan.

I wanted Love, but having a higher pick is also not an indicator that the trade would've happened, and even then I'm quite wary of the value we'd have going out to get him when he's mentioned he won't opt-in or sign an extension to the team he's being sent.

It's a huge gamble to take him on just for the prayer that he remains with us after next season.

For all I know, having the 6th pick saved us from going two steps backwards in our rebuilding process.

I'm quite high on what a Rondo-Smart pairing could accomplish, and even more so if we retain Avery Bradley.

We have a ton of assets to play with, doesn't mean we should overpay right now for anyone, particularly when 2015 is when the team will have the biggest opportunity, and at lower risks and cost, to get the real help for our roster.

Fair enough on the KLove gamble. But surely with the reporting out there you can concede that Danny himself wanted Love enough to make that gamble.

Plus, you're ignoring the Rondo gamble. I mean, do you really think Rondo is going to sign up for this rebuild or that it even makes sense to sign him up for it?

My criticism is not of the pick. I like Smart a lot. But again, not at the expense of Rondo. Do you really not see a Rondo trade as real possibility at this point?

In 2015 we'll have plenty of cap space, if we haven't acquired the help he "needs" by then, so the help can be had on that free-agency and he can just resign then.

Getting Kevin Love wouldn't have changed that, particularly if he still sees himself as playing the market next off-season, so having him this season doesn't mean much all told unless we could've agreed on an extension on the trade, but by what he has mentioned it doesn't sound likely.

Trading Rondo has always been a possibility regardless of what the team does. I don't think drafting Smart has anything to do with it, other than having a contingency plan in place if he does leave/is traded. Just the same as if a big trade had happened, nothing would've changed really on the Rondo front.

So you're would be worried about KLove walking had we traded for him but you're not worried about Rondo walking?

Let me ask you this, Bud. Do you think Rondo gets traded this off season?

Who says I wouldn't be worried about Rondo leaving? I'm just saying that getting Kevin Love this season, without him signing an extension, is not changing anything in the Rondo front. The worry about Kevin Love leaving is that we'd be giving up a ton of value to acquire him just to have him leave. And then, by your arguments, then Rondo might leave as well... and then where are we at?

I don't know what the plans for Rondo are, speculating would be a futile exercise, I hope he isn't traded though. Unless he sucks up the joint next season.

The safe bet is to keep the picks for now, and it might be for the best... I really like the prospects of Rondo and Smart together, if it doesn't work, then we'll cross that bridge when it happens... the difference is that we'll still have a lot of assets to land softly whatever the case may be.

Land softly? We just went through a crash landing.

As for Rondo, it's not speculation. It's reasoning based on information. I think you are in a bit of denial about Rondo. He's in his prime. He must know that, and Danny must know that. Sure there would be a danger with Love and Rondo being FAs, there's danger in any plan. But it's logical to team those guys up, and it makes sense that it might work.

What's going on now, honestly, doesn't make sense to me. Our roster doesn't make sense, and we are putting Rondo in a position where I can see him starting to make other plans.

The one player that we have right now that is a known commodity is Rondo. And what Danny is doing rebuild-wise looks to be pushing him out the door. You might consider that futile speculation, but I think it's well-reasoned concern. The guy wants to win now just like Melo, and this roster is no where near win-now.

  How many players in the league don't want to win now?

Well younger players tend to be more open to a rebuilding process.  But the better question is how many players are in the driver's seat in terms of being able to lead a "win-now" team and directing themselves to such a team. There aren't many around the league and we're lucky enough to have one in Rondo.

[Chief Macho]

Honestly,  if this is the route Ainge was going to take he should have traded Pierce and KG a year earlier.  It was  over the minute KG and Doc hugged yet all the homers wanted to run it back.   He did good with the Brooklyn deal, but now here we are just another year gone.

PS.  I'm just negative right now.  This team is a mess,  and don't promise fireworks and then be too chickenEdited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. to follow through on any type of risk. 

[BudweiserCeltic]

Ah.. another we didn't tank hard enough thread...

I'll tune in to see if it gets new never seen before content.

So leading up to the draft, it's been "just you wait and see" and now one day after it's come to fruition it's "enough with the complaining already"?

Um, no. Now is exactly the time to complain. The thing many have been pointing out much of the season finally hits and now the people rebuffing all along don't want to hear it?

The "we didn't tank hard enough" complaint may not be new, but the clarity of our prospects of being a good team any time soon couldn't be newer.

Well, I'm extremely happy with Smart, he was the guy I wanted. And as history has once again shown, having the worst record in the league doesn't guarantee the first pick. So even if we ended up with the 4th or 5th pick, Smart would still be the guy I wanted.

And my comment was towards a repetition of the same content in these threads, and the need for people to start their own thread to post their opinions of matters that are being discussed in 20 other threads.

So with that said, I'll sit back and enjoy what is going to be posted in this thread... hopefully something not being discussed elsewhere, but I'm not keeping my hopes up.

You know who you could have drafted with the 4th or 5th pick? Smart. But you know who we couldn't trade for with the 6th pick? KLove.

Look if Rondo stays here and continues to build with this team, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. But I'm certainly not going to hide when the things I was worried about happening start happening.

The next shoe to drop IMO is Rondo getting moved and that would be a very sad day for me as a Cs fan.

I wanted Love, but having a higher pick is also not an indicator that the trade would've happened, and even then I'm quite wary of the value we'd have going out to get him when he's mentioned he won't opt-in or sign an extension to the team he's being sent.

It's a huge gamble to take him on just for the prayer that he remains with us after next season.

For all I know, having the 6th pick saved us from going two steps backwards in our rebuilding process.

I'm quite high on what a Rondo-Smart pairing could accomplish, and even more so if we retain Avery Bradley.

We have a ton of assets to play with, doesn't mean we should overpay right now for anyone, particularly when 2015 is when the team will have the biggest opportunity, and at lower risks and cost, to get the real help for our roster.

Fair enough on the KLove gamble. But surely with the reporting out there you can concede that Danny himself wanted Love enough to make that gamble.

Plus, you're ignoring the Rondo gamble. I mean, do you really think Rondo is going to sign up for this rebuild or that it even makes sense to sign him up for it?

My criticism is not of the pick. I like Smart a lot. But again, not at the expense of Rondo. Do you really not see a Rondo trade as real possibility at this point?

In 2015 we'll have plenty of cap space, if we haven't acquired the help he "needs" by then, so the help can be had on that free-agency and he can just resign then.

Getting Kevin Love wouldn't have changed that, particularly if he still sees himself as playing the market next off-season, so having him this season doesn't mean much all told unless we could've agreed on an extension on the trade, but by what he has mentioned it doesn't sound likely.

Trading Rondo has always been a possibility regardless of what the team does. I don't think drafting Smart has anything to do with it, other than having a contingency plan in place if he does leave/is traded. Just the same as if a big trade had happened, nothing would've changed really on the Rondo front.

So you're would be worried about KLove walking had we traded for him but you're not worried about Rondo walking?

Let me ask you this, Bud. Do you think Rondo gets traded this off season?

Who says I wouldn't be worried about Rondo leaving? I'm just saying that getting Kevin Love this season, without him signing an extension, is not changing anything in the Rondo front. The worry about Kevin Love leaving is that we'd be giving up a ton of value to acquire him just to have him leave. And then, by your arguments, then Rondo might leave as well... and then where are we at?

I don't know what the plans for Rondo are, speculating would be a futile exercise, I hope he isn't traded though. Unless he sucks up the joint next season.

The safe bet is to keep the picks for now, and it might be for the best... I really like the prospects of Rondo and Smart together, if it doesn't work, then we'll cross that bridge when it happens... the difference is that we'll still have a lot of assets to land softly whatever the case may be.

Land softly? We just went through a crash landing.

As for Rondo, it's not speculation. It's reasoning based on information. I think you are in a bit of denial about Rondo. He's in his prime. He must know that, and Danny must know that. Sure there would be a danger with Love and Rondo being FAs, there's danger in any plan. But it's logical to team those guys up, and it makes sense that it might work.

What's going on now, honestly, doesn't make sense to me. Our roster doesn't make sense, and we are putting Rondo in a position where I can see him starting to make other plans.

The one player that we have right now that is a known commodity is Rondo. And what Danny is doing rebuild-wise looks to be pushing him out the door. You might consider that futile speculation, but I think it's well-reasoned concern. The guy wants to win now just like Melo, and this roster is no where near win-now.

In denial of what exactly?

Honestly, you're the master of taking things out of context. Nothing you mentioned in your post has any real relevance to what I said in mine.

[Sketch5]

Honestly,  if this is the route Ainge was going to take he should have traded Pierce and KG a year earlier.  It was  over the minute KG and Doc hugged yet all the homers wanted to run it back.   He did good with the Brooklyn deal, but now here we are just another year gone.

PS.  I'm just negative right now.  This team is a mess,  and don't promise fireworks and then be too chicken**** to follow through on any type of risk.

Who said the fireworks were going to be on draft night? Also who said they didn't try. Everyone was saying they were on the phones until they needed to pick. It takes two teams, maybe most teams were lowballing DA and he wouldn't go for it. Some of these trades that were talked about will get revisited in a few days.

The team's not a mess. Much better than the 76ers by a long shot at this point.

[Rakulp]

Honestly,  if this is the route Ainge was going to take he should have traded Pierce and KG a year earlier.  It was  over the minute KG and Doc hugged yet all the homers wanted to run it back.   He did good with the Brooklyn deal, but now here we are just another year gone.

PS.  I'm just negative right now.  This team is a mess,  and don't promise fireworks and then be too chicken**** to follow through on any type of risk.

Nobody promised fireworks...so enough of that nonsense.

If you, or any of the naysayers in other threads, can't see the positives that came out of yesterday's draft, that's your problem.  And yesterday wasn't the end of the off season...still a lot more time and situations to come.

We got two great young players...if our lineup doesn't change, they will get the chance to learn from one of the best in Rondo.  Will everything gel right away?  Who knows...but I'm willing to guarantee that this team right now can and will win more than the 25 games it did last year. 

There is more to come this summer...fireworks aren't out of the question yet.

Rak

[winsomme]

Ah.. another we didn't tank hard enough thread...

I'll tune in to see if it gets new never seen before content.

So leading up to the draft, it's been "just you wait and see" and now one day after it's come to fruition it's "enough with the complaining already"?

Um, no. Now is exactly the time to complain. The thing many have been pointing out much of the season finally hits and now the people rebuffing all along don't want to hear it?

The "we didn't tank hard enough" complaint may not be new, but the clarity of our prospects of being a good team any time soon couldn't be newer.

Well, I'm extremely happy with Smart, he was the guy I wanted. And as history has once again shown, having the worst record in the league doesn't guarantee the first pick. So even if we ended up with the 4th or 5th pick, Smart would still be the guy I wanted.

And my comment was towards a repetition of the same content in these threads, and the need for people to start their own thread to post their opinions of matters that are being discussed in 20 other threads.

So with that said, I'll sit back and enjoy what is going to be posted in this thread... hopefully something not being discussed elsewhere, but I'm not keeping my hopes up.

You know who you could have drafted with the 4th or 5th pick? Smart. But you know who we couldn't trade for with the 6th pick? KLove.

Look if Rondo stays here and continues to build with this team, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. But I'm certainly not going to hide when the things I was worried about happening start happening.

The next shoe to drop IMO is Rondo getting moved and that would be a very sad day for me as a Cs fan.

I wanted Love, but having a higher pick is also not an indicator that the trade would've happened, and even then I'm quite wary of the value we'd have going out to get him when he's mentioned he won't opt-in or sign an extension to the team he's being sent.

It's a huge gamble to take him on just for the prayer that he remains with us after next season.

For all I know, having the 6th pick saved us from going two steps backwards in our rebuilding process.

I'm quite high on what a Rondo-Smart pairing could accomplish, and even more so if we retain Avery Bradley.

We have a ton of assets to play with, doesn't mean we should overpay right now for anyone, particularly when 2015 is when the team will have the biggest opportunity, and at lower risks and cost, to get the real help for our roster.

Fair enough on the KLove gamble. But surely with the reporting out there you can concede that Danny himself wanted Love enough to make that gamble.

Plus, you're ignoring the Rondo gamble. I mean, do you really think Rondo is going to sign up for this rebuild or that it even makes sense to sign him up for it?

My criticism is not of the pick. I like Smart a lot. But again, not at the expense of Rondo. Do you really not see a Rondo trade as real possibility at this point?

In 2015 we'll have plenty of cap space, if we haven't acquired the help he "needs" by then, so the help can be had on that free-agency and he can just resign then.

Getting Kevin Love wouldn't have changed that, particularly if he still sees himself as playing the market next off-season, so having him this season doesn't mean much all told unless we could've agreed on an extension on the trade, but by what he has mentioned it doesn't sound likely.

Trading Rondo has always been a possibility regardless of what the team does. I don't think drafting Smart has anything to do with it, other than having a contingency plan in place if he does leave/is traded. Just the same as if a big trade had happened, nothing would've changed really on the Rondo front.

So you're would be worried about KLove walking had we traded for him but you're not worried about Rondo walking?

Let me ask you this, Bud. Do you think Rondo gets traded this off season?

Who says I wouldn't be worried about Rondo leaving? I'm just saying that getting Kevin Love this season, without him signing an extension, is not changing anything in the Rondo front. The worry about Kevin Love leaving is that we'd be giving up a ton of value to acquire him just to have him leave. And then, by your arguments, then Rondo might leave as well... and then where are we at?

I don't know what the plans for Rondo are, speculating would be a futile exercise, I hope he isn't traded though. Unless he sucks up the joint next season.

The safe bet is to keep the picks for now, and it might be for the best... I really like the prospects of Rondo and Smart together, if it doesn't work, then we'll cross that bridge when it happens... the difference is that we'll still have a lot of assets to land softly whatever the case may be.

Land softly? We just went through a crash landing.

As for Rondo, it's not speculation. It's reasoning based on information. I think you are in a bit of denial about Rondo. He's in his prime. He must know that, and Danny must know that. Sure there would be a danger with Love and Rondo being FAs, there's danger in any plan. But it's logical to team those guys up, and it makes sense that it might work.

What's going on now, honestly, doesn't make sense to me. Our roster doesn't make sense, and we are putting Rondo in a position where I can see him starting to make other plans.

The one player that we have right now that is a known commodity is Rondo. And what Danny is doing rebuild-wise looks to be pushing him out the door. You might consider that futile speculation, but I think it's well-reasoned concern. The guy wants to win now just like Melo, and this roster is no where near win-now.

In denial of what exactly?

Honestly, you're the master of taking things out of context. Nothing you mentioned in your post has any real relevance to what I said in mine.

I think my points are very plain and straightforward. You have stated that keeping and making these picks is the safest plan and you are looking forward to a Rondo Smart backcourt, and I am saying you are in denial on this because by Danny not positioning us higher in the draft and subsequently drafting at that lower position we are getting closer to losing our top commodity and heading toward a painfully long rebuild.

I don't think there is anything safe about the course we are on right now.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Ah.. another we didn't tank hard enough thread...

I'll tune in to see if it gets new never seen before content.

So leading up to the draft, it's been "just you wait and see" and now one day after it's come to fruition it's "enough with the complaining already"?

Um, no. Now is exactly the time to complain. The thing many have been pointing out much of the season finally hits and now the people rebuffing all along don't want to hear it?

The "we didn't tank hard enough" complaint may not be new, but the clarity of our prospects of being a good team any time soon couldn't be newer.

Well, I'm extremely happy with Smart, he was the guy I wanted. And as history has once again shown, having the worst record in the league doesn't guarantee the first pick. So even if we ended up with the 4th or 5th pick, Smart would still be the guy I wanted.

And my comment was towards a repetition of the same content in these threads, and the need for people to start their own thread to post their opinions of matters that are being discussed in 20 other threads.

So with that said, I'll sit back and enjoy what is going to be posted in this thread... hopefully something not being discussed elsewhere, but I'm not keeping my hopes up.

You know who you could have drafted with the 4th or 5th pick? Smart. But you know who we couldn't trade for with the 6th pick? KLove.

Look if Rondo stays here and continues to build with this team, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. But I'm certainly not going to hide when the things I was worried about happening start happening.

The next shoe to drop IMO is Rondo getting moved and that would be a very sad day for me as a Cs fan.

I wanted Love, but having a higher pick is also not an indicator that the trade would've happened, and even then I'm quite wary of the value we'd have going out to get him when he's mentioned he won't opt-in or sign an extension to the team he's being sent.

It's a huge gamble to take him on just for the prayer that he remains with us after next season.

For all I know, having the 6th pick saved us from going two steps backwards in our rebuilding process.

I'm quite high on what a Rondo-Smart pairing could accomplish, and even more so if we retain Avery Bradley.

We have a ton of assets to play with, doesn't mean we should overpay right now for anyone, particularly when 2015 is when the team will have the biggest opportunity, and at lower risks and cost, to get the real help for our roster.

Fair enough on the KLove gamble. But surely with the reporting out there you can concede that Danny himself wanted Love enough to make that gamble.

Plus, you're ignoring the Rondo gamble. I mean, do you really think Rondo is going to sign up for this rebuild or that it even makes sense to sign him up for it?

My criticism is not of the pick. I like Smart a lot. But again, not at the expense of Rondo. Do you really not see a Rondo trade as real possibility at this point?

In 2015 we'll have plenty of cap space, if we haven't acquired the help he "needs" by then, so the help can be had on that free-agency and he can just resign then.

Getting Kevin Love wouldn't have changed that, particularly if he still sees himself as playing the market next off-season, so having him this season doesn't mean much all told unless we could've agreed on an extension on the trade, but by what he has mentioned it doesn't sound likely.

Trading Rondo has always been a possibility regardless of what the team does. I don't think drafting Smart has anything to do with it, other than having a contingency plan in place if he does leave/is traded. Just the same as if a big trade had happened, nothing would've changed really on the Rondo front.

So you're would be worried about KLove walking had we traded for him but you're not worried about Rondo walking?

Let me ask you this, Bud. Do you think Rondo gets traded this off season?

Who says I wouldn't be worried about Rondo leaving? I'm just saying that getting Kevin Love this season, without him signing an extension, is not changing anything in the Rondo front. The worry about Kevin Love leaving is that we'd be giving up a ton of value to acquire him just to have him leave. And then, by your arguments, then Rondo might leave as well... and then where are we at?

I don't know what the plans for Rondo are, speculating would be a futile exercise, I hope he isn't traded though. Unless he sucks up the joint next season.

The safe bet is to keep the picks for now, and it might be for the best... I really like the prospects of Rondo and Smart together, if it doesn't work, then we'll cross that bridge when it happens... the difference is that we'll still have a lot of assets to land softly whatever the case may be.

Land softly? We just went through a crash landing.

As for Rondo, it's not speculation. It's reasoning based on information. I think you are in a bit of denial about Rondo. He's in his prime. He must know that, and Danny must know that. Sure there would be a danger with Love and Rondo being FAs, there's danger in any plan. But it's logical to team those guys up, and it makes sense that it might work.

What's going on now, honestly, doesn't make sense to me. Our roster doesn't make sense, and we are putting Rondo in a position where I can see him starting to make other plans.

The one player that we have right now that is a known commodity is Rondo. And what Danny is doing rebuild-wise looks to be pushing him out the door. You might consider that futile speculation, but I think it's well-reasoned concern. The guy wants to win now just like Melo, and this roster is no where near win-now.

In denial of what exactly?

Honestly, you're the master of taking things out of context. Nothing you mentioned in your post has any real relevance to what I said in mine.

I think my points are very plain and straightforward. You have stated that keeping and making these picks is the safest plan and you are looking forward to a Rondo Smart backcourt, and I am saying you are in denial on this because by Danny not positioning us higher in the draft and subsequently drafting at that lower position we are getting closer to losing our top commodity and heading toward a painfully long rebuild.

I don't think there is anything safe about the course we are on right now.

So, I guess you rather be the Lakers with Dwight Howard. How did that turn out for them? THAT's the scenario you're rooting for, and it's not a risk I'm very fond of making. The problem with that scenario is that we lose Love (and with him all the value we sent to acquire him) and then Rondo (the logical conclusion based on your arguments that Rondo will leave if the team is not a contender).

I'm not in denial of anything, I'm quite clear on the ramifications of pretty much everything that is going on. I'm simply comfortable with our current position and the contingency options that are available to us at the moment.

[winsomme]

Ah.. another we didn't tank hard enough thread...

I'll tune in to see if it gets new never seen before content.

So leading up to the draft, it's been "just you wait and see" and now one day after it's come to fruition it's "enough with the complaining already"?

Um, no. Now is exactly the time to complain. The thing many have been pointing out much of the season finally hits and now the people rebuffing all along don't want to hear it?

The "we didn't tank hard enough" complaint may not be new, but the clarity of our prospects of being a good team any time soon couldn't be newer.

Well, I'm extremely happy with Smart, he was the guy I wanted. And as history has once again shown, having the worst record in the league doesn't guarantee the first pick. So even if we ended up with the 4th or 5th pick, Smart would still be the guy I wanted.

And my comment was towards a repetition of the same content in these threads, and the need for people to start their own thread to post their opinions of matters that are being discussed in 20 other threads.

So with that said, I'll sit back and enjoy what is going to be posted in this thread... hopefully something not being discussed elsewhere, but I'm not keeping my hopes up.

You know who you could have drafted with the 4th or 5th pick? Smart. But you know who we couldn't trade for with the 6th pick? KLove.

Look if Rondo stays here and continues to build with this team, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. But I'm certainly not going to hide when the things I was worried about happening start happening.

The next shoe to drop IMO is Rondo getting moved and that would be a very sad day for me as a Cs fan.

I wanted Love, but having a higher pick is also not an indicator that the trade would've happened, and even then I'm quite wary of the value we'd have going out to get him when he's mentioned he won't opt-in or sign an extension to the team he's being sent.

It's a huge gamble to take him on just for the prayer that he remains with us after next season.

For all I know, having the 6th pick saved us from going two steps backwards in our rebuilding process.

I'm quite high on what a Rondo-Smart pairing could accomplish, and even more so if we retain Avery Bradley.

We have a ton of assets to play with, doesn't mean we should overpay right now for anyone, particularly when 2015 is when the team will have the biggest opportunity, and at lower risks and cost, to get the real help for our roster.

Fair enough on the KLove gamble. But surely with the reporting out there you can concede that Danny himself wanted Love enough to make that gamble.

Plus, you're ignoring the Rondo gamble. I mean, do you really think Rondo is going to sign up for this rebuild or that it even makes sense to sign him up for it?

My criticism is not of the pick. I like Smart a lot. But again, not at the expense of Rondo. Do you really not see a Rondo trade as real possibility at this point?

In 2015 we'll have plenty of cap space, if we haven't acquired the help he "needs" by then, so the help can be had on that free-agency and he can just resign then.

Getting Kevin Love wouldn't have changed that, particularly if he still sees himself as playing the market next off-season, so having him this season doesn't mean much all told unless we could've agreed on an extension on the trade, but by what he has mentioned it doesn't sound likely.

Trading Rondo has always been a possibility regardless of what the team does. I don't think drafting Smart has anything to do with it, other than having a contingency plan in place if he does leave/is traded. Just the same as if a big trade had happened, nothing would've changed really on the Rondo front.

So you're would be worried about KLove walking had we traded for him but you're not worried about Rondo walking?

Let me ask you this, Bud. Do you think Rondo gets traded this off season?

Who says I wouldn't be worried about Rondo leaving? I'm just saying that getting Kevin Love this season, without him signing an extension, is not changing anything in the Rondo front. The worry about Kevin Love leaving is that we'd be giving up a ton of value to acquire him just to have him leave. And then, by your arguments, then Rondo might leave as well... and then where are we at?

I don't know what the plans for Rondo are, speculating would be a futile exercise, I hope he isn't traded though. Unless he sucks up the joint next season.

The safe bet is to keep the picks for now, and it might be for the best... I really like the prospects of Rondo and Smart together, if it doesn't work, then we'll cross that bridge when it happens... the difference is that we'll still have a lot of assets to land softly whatever the case may be.

Land softly? We just went through a crash landing.

As for Rondo, it's not speculation. It's reasoning based on information. I think you are in a bit of denial about Rondo. He's in his prime. He must know that, and Danny must know that. Sure there would be a danger with Love and Rondo being FAs, there's danger in any plan. But it's logical to team those guys up, and it makes sense that it might work.

What's going on now, honestly, doesn't make sense to me. Our roster doesn't make sense, and we are putting Rondo in a position where I can see him starting to make other plans.

The one player that we have right now that is a known commodity is Rondo. And what Danny is doing rebuild-wise looks to be pushing him out the door. You might consider that futile speculation, but I think it's well-reasoned concern. The guy wants to win now just like Melo, and this roster is no where near win-now.

In denial of what exactly?

Honestly, you're the master of taking things out of context. Nothing you mentioned in your post has any real relevance to what I said in mine.

I think my points are very plain and straightforward. You have stated that keeping and making these picks is the safest plan and you are looking forward to a Rondo Smart backcourt, and I am saying you are in denial on this because by Danny not positioning us higher in the draft and subsequently drafting at that lower position we are getting closer to losing our top commodity and heading toward a painfully long rebuild.

I don't think there is anything safe about the course we are on right now.

So, I guess you rather be the Lakers with Dwight Howard. How did that turn out for them? THAT's the scenario you're rooting for, and it's not a risk I'm very fond of making. The problem with that scenario is that we lose Love (and with him all the value we sent to acquire him) and then Rondo (the logical conclusion based on your arguments that Rondo will leave if the team is not a contender).

I'm not in denial of anything, I'm quite clear on the ramifications of pretty much everything that is going on. I'm simply comfortable with our current position and the contingency options that are available to us at the moment.

Using your logic I could then say that you would rather be CLE who   has been in the asset acquisition phase for the past 4 years or the Sixers who are in the midst of the second rebuild through the draft. .

Teaming up two all stars in their prime seems a lot less risky than building through the draft to me

[BudweiserCeltic]

Ah.. another we didn't tank hard enough thread...

I'll tune in to see if it gets new never seen before content.

So leading up to the draft, it's been "just you wait and see" and now one day after it's come to fruition it's "enough with the complaining already"?

Um, no. Now is exactly the time to complain. The thing many have been pointing out much of the season finally hits and now the people rebuffing all along don't want to hear it?

The "we didn't tank hard enough" complaint may not be new, but the clarity of our prospects of being a good team any time soon couldn't be newer.

Well, I'm extremely happy with Smart, he was the guy I wanted. And as history has once again shown, having the worst record in the league doesn't guarantee the first pick. So even if we ended up with the 4th or 5th pick, Smart would still be the guy I wanted.

And my comment was towards a repetition of the same content in these threads, and the need for people to start their own thread to post their opinions of matters that are being discussed in 20 other threads.

So with that said, I'll sit back and enjoy what is going to be posted in this thread... hopefully something not being discussed elsewhere, but I'm not keeping my hopes up.

You know who you could have drafted with the 4th or 5th pick? Smart. But you know who we couldn't trade for with the 6th pick? KLove.

Look if Rondo stays here and continues to build with this team, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. But I'm certainly not going to hide when the things I was worried about happening start happening.

The next shoe to drop IMO is Rondo getting moved and that would be a very sad day for me as a Cs fan.

I wanted Love, but having a higher pick is also not an indicator that the trade would've happened, and even then I'm quite wary of the value we'd have going out to get him when he's mentioned he won't opt-in or sign an extension to the team he's being sent.

It's a huge gamble to take him on just for the prayer that he remains with us after next season.

For all I know, having the 6th pick saved us from going two steps backwards in our rebuilding process.

I'm quite high on what a Rondo-Smart pairing could accomplish, and even more so if we retain Avery Bradley.

We have a ton of assets to play with, doesn't mean we should overpay right now for anyone, particularly when 2015 is when the team will have the biggest opportunity, and at lower risks and cost, to get the real help for our roster.

Fair enough on the KLove gamble. But surely with the reporting out there you can concede that Danny himself wanted Love enough to make that gamble.

Plus, you're ignoring the Rondo gamble. I mean, do you really think Rondo is going to sign up for this rebuild or that it even makes sense to sign him up for it?

My criticism is not of the pick. I like Smart a lot. But again, not at the expense of Rondo. Do you really not see a Rondo trade as real possibility at this point?

In 2015 we'll have plenty of cap space, if we haven't acquired the help he "needs" by then, so the help can be had on that free-agency and he can just resign then.

Getting Kevin Love wouldn't have changed that, particularly if he still sees himself as playing the market next off-season, so having him this season doesn't mean much all told unless we could've agreed on an extension on the trade, but by what he has mentioned it doesn't sound likely.

Trading Rondo has always been a possibility regardless of what the team does. I don't think drafting Smart has anything to do with it, other than having a contingency plan in place if he does leave/is traded. Just the same as if a big trade had happened, nothing would've changed really on the Rondo front.

So you're would be worried about KLove walking had we traded for him but you're not worried about Rondo walking?

Let me ask you this, Bud. Do you think Rondo gets traded this off season?

Who says I wouldn't be worried about Rondo leaving? I'm just saying that getting Kevin Love this season, without him signing an extension, is not changing anything in the Rondo front. The worry about Kevin Love leaving is that we'd be giving up a ton of value to acquire him just to have him leave. And then, by your arguments, then Rondo might leave as well... and then where are we at?

I don't know what the plans for Rondo are, speculating would be a futile exercise, I hope he isn't traded though. Unless he sucks up the joint next season.

The safe bet is to keep the picks for now, and it might be for the best... I really like the prospects of Rondo and Smart together, if it doesn't work, then we'll cross that bridge when it happens... the difference is that we'll still have a lot of assets to land softly whatever the case may be.

Land softly? We just went through a crash landing.

As for Rondo, it's not speculation. It's reasoning based on information. I think you are in a bit of denial about Rondo. He's in his prime. He must know that, and Danny must know that. Sure there would be a danger with Love and Rondo being FAs, there's danger in any plan. But it's logical to team those guys up, and it makes sense that it might work.

What's going on now, honestly, doesn't make sense to me. Our roster doesn't make sense, and we are putting Rondo in a position where I can see him starting to make other plans.

The one player that we have right now that is a known commodity is Rondo. And what Danny is doing rebuild-wise looks to be pushing him out the door. You might consider that futile speculation, but I think it's well-reasoned concern. The guy wants to win now just like Melo, and this roster is no where near win-now.

In denial of what exactly?

Honestly, you're the master of taking things out of context. Nothing you mentioned in your post has any real relevance to what I said in mine.

I think my points are very plain and straightforward. You have stated that keeping and making these picks is the safest plan and you are looking forward to a Rondo Smart backcourt, and I am saying you are in denial on this because by Danny not positioning us higher in the draft and subsequently drafting at that lower position we are getting closer to losing our top commodity and heading toward a painfully long rebuild.

I don't think there is anything safe about the course we are on right now.

So, I guess you rather be the Lakers with Dwight Howard. How did that turn out for them? THAT's the scenario you're rooting for, and it's not a risk I'm very fond of making. The problem with that scenario is that we lose Love (and with him all the value we sent to acquire him) and then Rondo (the logical conclusion based on your arguments that Rondo will leave if the team is not a contender).

I'm not in denial of anything, I'm quite clear on the ramifications of pretty much everything that is going on. I'm simply comfortable with our current position and the contingency options that are available to us at the moment.

Using your logic I could then say that you would rather be CLE who   has been in the asset acquisition phase for the past 4 years or the Sixers who are in the midst of the second rebuild through the draft. .

Teaming up two all stars in their prime seems a lot less risky than building through the draft to me

I have no problem making a trade... I have a problem making a trade for an apparent one year rental who's acquisition would require giving up a lot of value. I'm not saying I wouldn't do it, but I'm not sure that the risk is worth it... it could work, but if it doesn't the setback would be huge.

[winsomme]

Ah.. another we didn't tank hard enough thread...

I'll tune in to see if it gets new never seen before content.

So leading up to the draft, it's been "just you wait and see" and now one day after it's come to fruition it's "enough with the complaining already"?

Um, no. Now is exactly the time to complain. The thing many have been pointing out much of the season finally hits and now the people rebuffing all along don't want to hear it?

The "we didn't tank hard enough" complaint may not be new, but the clarity of our prospects of being a good team any time soon couldn't be newer.

Well, I'm extremely happy with Smart, he was the guy I wanted. And as history has once again shown, having the worst record in the league doesn't guarantee the first pick. So even if we ended up with the 4th or 5th pick, Smart would still be the guy I wanted.

And my comment was towards a repetition of the same content in these threads, and the need for people to start their own thread to post their opinions of matters that are being discussed in 20 other threads.

So with that said, I'll sit back and enjoy what is going to be posted in this thread... hopefully something not being discussed elsewhere, but I'm not keeping my hopes up.

You know who you could have drafted with the 4th or 5th pick? Smart. But you know who we couldn't trade for with the 6th pick? KLove.

Look if Rondo stays here and continues to build with this team, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. But I'm certainly not going to hide when the things I was worried about happening start happening.

The next shoe to drop IMO is Rondo getting moved and that would be a very sad day for me as a Cs fan.

I wanted Love, but having a higher pick is also not an indicator that the trade would've happened, and even then I'm quite wary of the value we'd have going out to get him when he's mentioned he won't opt-in or sign an extension to the team he's being sent.

It's a huge gamble to take him on just for the prayer that he remains with us after next season.

For all I know, having the 6th pick saved us from going two steps backwards in our rebuilding process.

I'm quite high on what a Rondo-Smart pairing could accomplish, and even more so if we retain Avery Bradley.

We have a ton of assets to play with, doesn't mean we should overpay right now for anyone, particularly when 2015 is when the team will have the biggest opportunity, and at lower risks and cost, to get the real help for our roster.

Fair enough on the KLove gamble. But surely with the reporting out there you can concede that Danny himself wanted Love enough to make that gamble.

Plus, you're ignoring the Rondo gamble. I mean, do you really think Rondo is going to sign up for this rebuild or that it even makes sense to sign him up for it?

My criticism is not of the pick. I like Smart a lot. But again, not at the expense of Rondo. Do you really not see a Rondo trade as real possibility at this point?

In 2015 we'll have plenty of cap space, if we haven't acquired the help he "needs" by then, so the help can be had on that free-agency and he can just resign then.

Getting Kevin Love wouldn't have changed that, particularly if he still sees himself as playing the market next off-season, so having him this season doesn't mean much all told unless we could've agreed on an extension on the trade, but by what he has mentioned it doesn't sound likely.

Trading Rondo has always been a possibility regardless of what the team does. I don't think drafting Smart has anything to do with it, other than having a contingency plan in place if he does leave/is traded. Just the same as if a big trade had happened, nothing would've changed really on the Rondo front.

So you're would be worried about KLove walking had we traded for him but you're not worried about Rondo walking?

Let me ask you this, Bud. Do you think Rondo gets traded this off season?

Who says I wouldn't be worried about Rondo leaving? I'm just saying that getting Kevin Love this season, without him signing an extension, is not changing anything in the Rondo front. The worry about Kevin Love leaving is that we'd be giving up a ton of value to acquire him just to have him leave. And then, by your arguments, then Rondo might leave as well... and then where are we at?

I don't know what the plans for Rondo are, speculating would be a futile exercise, I hope he isn't traded though. Unless he sucks up the joint next season.

The safe bet is to keep the picks for now, and it might be for the best... I really like the prospects of Rondo and Smart together, if it doesn't work, then we'll cross that bridge when it happens... the difference is that we'll still have a lot of assets to land softly whatever the case may be.

Land softly? We just went through a crash landing.

As for Rondo, it's not speculation. It's reasoning based on information. I think you are in a bit of denial about Rondo. He's in his prime. He must know that, and Danny must know that. Sure there would be a danger with Love and Rondo being FAs, there's danger in any plan. But it's logical to team those guys up, and it makes sense that it might work.

What's going on now, honestly, doesn't make sense to me. Our roster doesn't make sense, and we are putting Rondo in a position where I can see him starting to make other plans.

The one player that we have right now that is a known commodity is Rondo. And what Danny is doing rebuild-wise looks to be pushing him out the door. You might consider that futile speculation, but I think it's well-reasoned concern. The guy wants to win now just like Melo, and this roster is no where near win-now.

In denial of what exactly?

Honestly, you're the master of taking things out of context. Nothing you mentioned in your post has any real relevance to what I said in mine.

I think my points are very plain and straightforward. You have stated that keeping and making these picks is the safest plan and you are looking forward to a Rondo Smart backcourt, and I am saying you are in denial on this because by Danny not positioning us higher in the draft and subsequently drafting at that lower position we are getting closer to losing our top commodity and heading toward a painfully long rebuild.

I don't think there is anything safe about the course we are on right now.

So, I guess you rather be the Lakers with Dwight Howard. How did that turn out for them? THAT's the scenario you're rooting for, and it's not a risk I'm very fond of making. The problem with that scenario is that we lose Love (and with him all the value we sent to acquire him) and then Rondo (the logical conclusion based on your arguments that Rondo will leave if the team is not a contender).

I'm not in denial of anything, I'm quite clear on the ramifications of pretty much everything that is going on. I'm simply comfortable with our current position and the contingency options that are available to us at the moment.

Using your logic I could then say that you would rather be CLE who   has been in the asset acquisition phase for the past 4 years or the Sixers who are in the midst of the second rebuild through the draft. .

Teaming up two all stars in their prime seems a lot less risky than building through the draft to me

I have no problem making a trade... I have a problem making a trade for an apparent one year rental who's acquisition would require giving up a lot of value. I'm not saying I wouldn't do it, but I'm not sure that the risk is worth it... it could work, but if it doesn't the setback would be huge.

I think the bigger setback is not bringing in the pieces to convince Rondo to stay,  but getting back to my original point it's a moot point because Danny in my opinion didn't position us well enough to get that Love deal done.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Ah.. another we didn't tank hard enough thread...

I'll tune in to see if it gets new never seen before content.

So leading up to the draft, it's been "just you wait and see" and now one day after it's come to fruition it's "enough with the complaining already"?

Um, no. Now is exactly the time to complain. The thing many have been pointing out much of the season finally hits and now the people rebuffing all along don't want to hear it?

The "we didn't tank hard enough" complaint may not be new, but the clarity of our prospects of being a good team any time soon couldn't be newer.

Well, I'm extremely happy with Smart, he was the guy I wanted. And as history has once again shown, having the worst record in the league doesn't guarantee the first pick. So even if we ended up with the 4th or 5th pick, Smart would still be the guy I wanted.

And my comment was towards a repetition of the same content in these threads, and the need for people to start their own thread to post their opinions of matters that are being discussed in 20 other threads.

So with that said, I'll sit back and enjoy what is going to be posted in this thread... hopefully something not being discussed elsewhere, but I'm not keeping my hopes up.

You know who you could have drafted with the 4th or 5th pick? Smart. But you know who we couldn't trade for with the 6th pick? KLove.

Look if Rondo stays here and continues to build with this team, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. But I'm certainly not going to hide when the things I was worried about happening start happening.

The next shoe to drop IMO is Rondo getting moved and that would be a very sad day for me as a Cs fan.

I wanted Love, but having a higher pick is also not an indicator that the trade would've happened, and even then I'm quite wary of the value we'd have going out to get him when he's mentioned he won't opt-in or sign an extension to the team he's being sent.

It's a huge gamble to take him on just for the prayer that he remains with us after next season.

For all I know, having the 6th pick saved us from going two steps backwards in our rebuilding process.

I'm quite high on what a Rondo-Smart pairing could accomplish, and even more so if we retain Avery Bradley.

We have a ton of assets to play with, doesn't mean we should overpay right now for anyone, particularly when 2015 is when the team will have the biggest opportunity, and at lower risks and cost, to get the real help for our roster.

Fair enough on the KLove gamble. But surely with the reporting out there you can concede that Danny himself wanted Love enough to make that gamble.

Plus, you're ignoring the Rondo gamble. I mean, do you really think Rondo is going to sign up for this rebuild or that it even makes sense to sign him up for it?

My criticism is not of the pick. I like Smart a lot. But again, not at the expense of Rondo. Do you really not see a Rondo trade as real possibility at this point?

In 2015 we'll have plenty of cap space, if we haven't acquired the help he "needs" by then, so the help can be had on that free-agency and he can just resign then.

Getting Kevin Love wouldn't have changed that, particularly if he still sees himself as playing the market next off-season, so having him this season doesn't mean much all told unless we could've agreed on an extension on the trade, but by what he has mentioned it doesn't sound likely.

Trading Rondo has always been a possibility regardless of what the team does. I don't think drafting Smart has anything to do with it, other than having a contingency plan in place if he does leave/is traded. Just the same as if a big trade had happened, nothing would've changed really on the Rondo front.

So you're would be worried about KLove walking had we traded for him but you're not worried about Rondo walking?

Let me ask you this, Bud. Do you think Rondo gets traded this off season?

Who says I wouldn't be worried about Rondo leaving? I'm just saying that getting Kevin Love this season, without him signing an extension, is not changing anything in the Rondo front. The worry about Kevin Love leaving is that we'd be giving up a ton of value to acquire him just to have him leave. And then, by your arguments, then Rondo might leave as well... and then where are we at?

I don't know what the plans for Rondo are, speculating would be a futile exercise, I hope he isn't traded though. Unless he sucks up the joint next season.

The safe bet is to keep the picks for now, and it might be for the best... I really like the prospects of Rondo and Smart together, if it doesn't work, then we'll cross that bridge when it happens... the difference is that we'll still have a lot of assets to land softly whatever the case may be.

Land softly? We just went through a crash landing.

As for Rondo, it's not speculation. It's reasoning based on information. I think you are in a bit of denial about Rondo. He's in his prime. He must know that, and Danny must know that. Sure there would be a danger with Love and Rondo being FAs, there's danger in any plan. But it's logical to team those guys up, and it makes sense that it might work.

What's going on now, honestly, doesn't make sense to me. Our roster doesn't make sense, and we are putting Rondo in a position where I can see him starting to make other plans.

The one player that we have right now that is a known commodity is Rondo. And what Danny is doing rebuild-wise looks to be pushing him out the door. You might consider that futile speculation, but I think it's well-reasoned concern. The guy wants to win now just like Melo, and this roster is no where near win-now.

In denial of what exactly?

Honestly, you're the master of taking things out of context. Nothing you mentioned in your post has any real relevance to what I said in mine.

I think my points are very plain and straightforward. You have stated that keeping and making these picks is the safest plan and you are looking forward to a Rondo Smart backcourt, and I am saying you are in denial on this because by Danny not positioning us higher in the draft and subsequently drafting at that lower position we are getting closer to losing our top commodity and heading toward a painfully long rebuild.

I don't think there is anything safe about the course we are on right now.

So, I guess you rather be the Lakers with Dwight Howard. How did that turn out for them? THAT's the scenario you're rooting for, and it's not a risk I'm very fond of making. The problem with that scenario is that we lose Love (and with him all the value we sent to acquire him) and then Rondo (the logical conclusion based on your arguments that Rondo will leave if the team is not a contender).

I'm not in denial of anything, I'm quite clear on the ramifications of pretty much everything that is going on. I'm simply comfortable with our current position and the contingency options that are available to us at the moment.

Using your logic I could then say that you would rather be CLE who   has been in the asset acquisition phase for the past 4 years or the Sixers who are in the midst of the second rebuild through the draft. .

Teaming up two all stars in their prime seems a lot less risky than building through the draft to me

I have no problem making a trade... I have a problem making a trade for an apparent one year rental who's acquisition would require giving up a lot of value. I'm not saying I wouldn't do it, but I'm not sure that the risk is worth it... it could work, but if it doesn't the setback would be huge.

I think the bigger setback is not bringing in the pieces to convince Rondo to stay,  but getting back to my original point it's a moot point because Danny in my opinion didn't position us well enough to get that Love deal done.

That's more on Flip being an idiot than on Danny "not positioning well enough in a game of chance where nothing is guaranteed, where Cleveland go the #1 pick and were far from the worst team in the league".

As Wyc said, it takes two to tango.

Deals aren't accomplished by desire alone from one side.

[Moranis]

Boston won 6 games after the trade deadline.  The first two of those wins Bayless played pretty solid ball and in the third Humphries played pretty solid ball, but the last 3 those two guys were non-factors (and neither played in the final win against Cleveland).

So I guess my question is what would be the point of releasing them if Boston finished the season 6-21 and those two guys were pretty much non-factors in at least half of the wins. 

[winsomme]

Ah.. another we didn't tank hard enough thread...

I'll tune in to see if it gets new never seen before content.

So leading up to the draft, it's been "just you wait and see" and now one day after it's come to fruition it's "enough with the complaining already"?

Um, no. Now is exactly the time to complain. The thing many have been pointing out much of the season finally hits and now the people rebuffing all along don't want to hear it?

The "we didn't tank hard enough" complaint may not be new, but the clarity of our prospects of being a good team any time soon couldn't be newer.

Well, I'm extremely happy with Smart, he was the guy I wanted. And as history has once again shown, having the worst record in the league doesn't guarantee the first pick. So even if we ended up with the 4th or 5th pick, Smart would still be the guy I wanted.

And my comment was towards a repetition of the same content in these threads, and the need for people to start their own thread to post their opinions of matters that are being discussed in 20 other threads.

So with that said, I'll sit back and enjoy what is going to be posted in this thread... hopefully something not being discussed elsewhere, but I'm not keeping my hopes up.

You know who you could have drafted with the 4th or 5th pick? Smart. But you know who we couldn't trade for with the 6th pick? KLove.

Look if Rondo stays here and continues to build with this team, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. But I'm certainly not going to hide when the things I was worried about happening start happening.

The next shoe to drop IMO is Rondo getting moved and that would be a very sad day for me as a Cs fan.

I wanted Love, but having a higher pick is also not an indicator that the trade would've happened, and even then I'm quite wary of the value we'd have going out to get him when he's mentioned he won't opt-in or sign an extension to the team he's being sent.

It's a huge gamble to take him on just for the prayer that he remains with us after next season.

For all I know, having the 6th pick saved us from going two steps backwards in our rebuilding process.

I'm quite high on what a Rondo-Smart pairing could accomplish, and even more so if we retain Avery Bradley.

We have a ton of assets to play with, doesn't mean we should overpay right now for anyone, particularly when 2015 is when the team will have the biggest opportunity, and at lower risks and cost, to get the real help for our roster.

Fair enough on the KLove gamble. But surely with the reporting out there you can concede that Danny himself wanted Love enough to make that gamble.

Plus, you're ignoring the Rondo gamble. I mean, do you really think Rondo is going to sign up for this rebuild or that it even makes sense to sign him up for it?

My criticism is not of the pick. I like Smart a lot. But again, not at the expense of Rondo. Do you really not see a Rondo trade as real possibility at this point?

In 2015 we'll have plenty of cap space, if we haven't acquired the help he "needs" by then, so the help can be had on that free-agency and he can just resign then.

Getting Kevin Love wouldn't have changed that, particularly if he still sees himself as playing the market next off-season, so having him this season doesn't mean much all told unless we could've agreed on an extension on the trade, but by what he has mentioned it doesn't sound likely.

Trading Rondo has always been a possibility regardless of what the team does. I don't think drafting Smart has anything to do with it, other than having a contingency plan in place if he does leave/is traded. Just the same as if a big trade had happened, nothing would've changed really on the Rondo front.

So you're would be worried about KLove walking had we traded for him but you're not worried about Rondo walking?

Let me ask you this, Bud. Do you think Rondo gets traded this off season?

Who says I wouldn't be worried about Rondo leaving? I'm just saying that getting Kevin Love this season, without him signing an extension, is not changing anything in the Rondo front. The worry about Kevin Love leaving is that we'd be giving up a ton of value to acquire him just to have him leave. And then, by your arguments, then Rondo might leave as well... and then where are we at?

I don't know what the plans for Rondo are, speculating would be a futile exercise, I hope he isn't traded though. Unless he sucks up the joint next season.

The safe bet is to keep the picks for now, and it might be for the best... I really like the prospects of Rondo and Smart together, if it doesn't work, then we'll cross that bridge when it happens... the difference is that we'll still have a lot of assets to land softly whatever the case may be.

Land softly? We just went through a crash landing.

As for Rondo, it's not speculation. It's reasoning based on information. I think you are in a bit of denial about Rondo. He's in his prime. He must know that, and Danny must know that. Sure there would be a danger with Love and Rondo being FAs, there's danger in any plan. But it's logical to team those guys up, and it makes sense that it might work.

What's going on now, honestly, doesn't make sense to me. Our roster doesn't make sense, and we are putting Rondo in a position where I can see him starting to make other plans.

The one player that we have right now that is a known commodity is Rondo. And what Danny is doing rebuild-wise looks to be pushing him out the door. You might consider that futile speculation, but I think it's well-reasoned concern. The guy wants to win now just like Melo, and this roster is no where near win-now.

In denial of what exactly?

Honestly, you're the master of taking things out of context. Nothing you mentioned in your post has any real relevance to what I said in mine.

I think my points are very plain and straightforward. You have stated that keeping and making these picks is the safest plan and you are looking forward to a Rondo Smart backcourt, and I am saying you are in denial on this because by Danny not positioning us higher in the draft and subsequently drafting at that lower position we are getting closer to losing our top commodity and heading toward a painfully long rebuild.

I don't think there is anything safe about the course we are on right now.

So, I guess you rather be the Lakers with Dwight Howard. How did that turn out for them? THAT's the scenario you're rooting for, and it's not a risk I'm very fond of making. The problem with that scenario is that we lose Love (and with him all the value we sent to acquire him) and then Rondo (the logical conclusion based on your arguments that Rondo will leave if the team is not a contender).

I'm not in denial of anything, I'm quite clear on the ramifications of pretty much everything that is going on. I'm simply comfortable with our current position and the contingency options that are available to us at the moment.

Using your logic I could then say that you would rather be CLE who   has been in the asset acquisition phase for the past 4 years or the Sixers who are in the midst of the second rebuild through the draft. .

Teaming up two all stars in their prime seems a lot less risky than building through the draft to me

I have no problem making a trade... I have a problem making a trade for an apparent one year rental who's acquisition would require giving up a lot of value. I'm not saying I wouldn't do it, but I'm not sure that the risk is worth it... it could work, but if it doesn't the setback would be huge.

I think the bigger setback is not bringing in the pieces to convince Rondo to stay,  but getting back to my original point it's a moot point because Danny in my opinion didn't position us well enough to get that Love deal done.

That's more on Flip being an idiot than on Danny "not positioning well enough in a game of chance where nothing is guaranteed, where Cleveland go the #1 pick and were far from the worst team in the league".

As Wyc said, it takes two to tango.

Deals aren't accomplished by desire alone from one side.

But again Bud... Keeping Humph and Bayless?? For what??

I still have nightmares about that Hawks game where Bayless scored like 30. Maybe a higher pick wouldn't have gotten a deal done,  but Danny should have worked harder to maximize that chip. It really wouldn't have taken much to do it .

[winsomme]

Boston won 6 games after the trade deadline.  The first two of those wins Bayless played pretty solid ball and in the third Humphries played pretty solid ball, but the last 3 those two guys were non-factors (and neither played in the final win against Cleveland).

So I guess my question is what would be the point of releasing them if Boston finished the season 6-21 and those two guys were pretty much non-factors in at least half of the wins.

Well the difference between us and the Magic was 2 games so you've already answered your own question. But the other point is that if you release those two you'd be filling their roster spots with borderline NBA players whose  impact would be making the team less likely to win.