Shoulda released Humph and Bayless

[BballTim]

This is where Danny dropped the ball IMO. These guys are UFAs yet were winning games for us late into the season.

Just didn't make sense to keep them and it cost us in terms of draft position. One spot up and we're in position to land Exum who could have been the piece to convince Minny to send KLove our way.

  There's no evidence that Exum will be better than Smart, or that he would have somehow tipped the scales in terms of Love.

There is evidence that our pick was not high enough to entice Minny.

  There isn't. There's some speculation to that effect. Truth be told there's no evidence that Danny actually offered that pick. There's probably much more evidence that Minny didn't want picks/prospects at all and wanted proven players back.

[winsomme]

Ah.. another we didn't tank hard enough thread...

I'll tune in to see if it gets new never seen before content.

So leading up to the draft, it's been "just you wait and see" and now one day after it's come to fruition it's "enough with the complaining already"?

Um, no. Now is exactly the time to complain. The thing many have been pointing out much of the season finally hits and now the people rebuffing all along don't want to hear it?

The "we didn't tank hard enough" complaint may not be new, but the clarity of our prospects of being a good team any time soon couldn't be newer.

Well, I'm extremely happy with Smart, he was the guy I wanted. And as history has once again shown, having the worst record in the league doesn't guarantee the first pick. So even if we ended up with the 4th or 5th pick, Smart would still be the guy I wanted.

And my comment was towards a repetition of the same content in these threads, and the need for people to start their own thread to post their opinions of matters that are being discussed in 20 other threads.

So with that said, I'll sit back and enjoy what is going to be posted in this thread... hopefully something not being discussed elsewhere, but I'm not keeping my hopes up.

You know who you could have drafted with the 4th or 5th pick? Smart. But you know who we couldn't trade for with the 6th pick? KLove.

Look if Rondo stays here and continues to build with this team, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. But I'm certainly not going to hide when the things I was worried about happening start happening.

The next shoe to drop IMO is Rondo getting moved and that would be a very sad day for me as a Cs fan.

I wanted Love, but having a higher pick is also not an indicator that the trade would've happened, and even then I'm quite wary of the value we'd have going out to get him when he's mentioned he won't opt-in or sign an extension to the team he's being sent.

It's a huge gamble to take him on just for the prayer that he remains with us after next season.

For all I know, having the 6th pick saved us from going two steps backwards in our rebuilding process.

I'm quite high on what a Rondo-Smart pairing could accomplish, and even more so if we retain Avery Bradley.

We have a ton of assets to play with, doesn't mean we should overpay right now for anyone, particularly when 2015 is when the team will have the biggest opportunity, and at lower risks and cost, to get the real help for our roster.

Fair enough on the KLove gamble. But surely with the reporting out there you can concede that Danny himself wanted Love enough to make that gamble.

Plus, you're ignoring the Rondo gamble. I mean, do you really think Rondo is going to sign up for this rebuild or that it even makes sense to sign him up for it?

My criticism is not of the pick. I like Smart a lot. But again, not at the expense of Rondo. Do you really not see a Rondo trade as real possibility at this point?

[BudweiserCeltic]

Ah.. another we didn't tank hard enough thread...

I'll tune in to see if it gets new never seen before content.

So leading up to the draft, it's been "just you wait and see" and now one day after it's come to fruition it's "enough with the complaining already"?

Um, no. Now is exactly the time to complain. The thing many have been pointing out much of the season finally hits and now the people rebuffing all along don't want to hear it?

The "we didn't tank hard enough" complaint may not be new, but the clarity of our prospects of being a good team any time soon couldn't be newer.

Well, I'm extremely happy with Smart, he was the guy I wanted. And as history has once again shown, having the worst record in the league doesn't guarantee the first pick. So even if we ended up with the 4th or 5th pick, Smart would still be the guy I wanted.

And my comment was towards a repetition of the same content in these threads, and the need for people to start their own thread to post their opinions of matters that are being discussed in 20 other threads.

So with that said, I'll sit back and enjoy what is going to be posted in this thread... hopefully something not being discussed elsewhere, but I'm not keeping my hopes up.

You know who you could have drafted with the 4th or 5th pick? Smart. But you know who we couldn't trade for with the 6th pick? KLove.

Look if Rondo stays here and continues to build with this team, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. But I'm certainly not going to hide when the things I was worried about happening start happening.

The next shoe to drop IMO is Rondo getting moved and that would be a very sad day for me as a Cs fan.

I wanted Love, but having a higher pick is also not an indicator that the trade would've happened, and even then I'm quite wary of the value we'd have going out to get him when he's mentioned he won't opt-in or sign an extension to the team he's being sent.

It's a huge gamble to take him on just for the prayer that he remains with us after next season.

For all I know, having the 6th pick saved us from going two steps backwards in our rebuilding process.

I'm quite high on what a Rondo-Smart pairing could accomplish, and even more so if we retain Avery Bradley.

We have a ton of assets to play with, doesn't mean we should overpay right now for anyone, particularly when 2015 is when the team will have the biggest opportunity, and at lower risks and cost, to get the real help for our roster.

Fair enough on the KLove gamble. But surely with the reporting out there you can concede that Danny himself wanted Love enough to make that gamble.

Plus, you're ignoring the Rondo gamble. I mean, do you really think Rondo is going to sign up for this rebuild or that it even makes sense to sign him up for it?

My criticism is not of the pick. I like Smart a lot. But again, not at the expense of Rondo. Do you really not see a Rondo trade as real possibility at this point?

In 2015 we'll have plenty of cap space, if we haven't acquired the help he "needs" by then, so the help can be had on that free-agency and he can just resign then.

Getting Kevin Love wouldn't have changed that, particularly if he still sees himself as playing the market next off-season, so having him this season doesn't mean much all told unless we could've agreed on an extension on the trade, but by what he has mentioned it doesn't sound likely.

Trading Rondo has always been a possibility regardless of what the team does. I don't think drafting Smart has anything to do with it, other than having a contingency plan in place if he does leave/is traded. Just the same as if a big trade had happened, nothing would've changed really on the Rondo front.

[The Oracle]

  This is all so WRONG!!  If you trade hump, then sully and KO fill his minutes and subsequently the C's win MORE games!!!!  If you unload bayless his minutes are filled by Pressey and CJ and the C's are no worse off!  Stop with the tank should have been better it simply is not true! 

[winsomme]

This is where Danny dropped the ball IMO. These guys are UFAs yet were winning games for us late into the season.

Just didn't make sense to keep them and it cost us in terms of draft position. One spot up and we're in position to land Exum who could have been the piece to convince Minny to send KLove our way.

  There's no evidence that Exum will be better than Smart, or that he would have somehow tipped the scales in terms of Love.

There is evidence that our pick was not high enough to entice Minny.

  There isn't. There's some speculation to that effect. Truth be told there's no evidence that Danny actually offered that pick. There's probably much more evidence that Minny didn't want picks/prospects at all and wanted proven players back.

It's more than speculation. It's coming from the most plugged in reporters around the league. Woj was on the Hub saying exactly this. The picks were not high enough to entice Minny.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

Oh, let's stop it with this "one spot and we have Exum" stuff.

Exum was out of reach to begin with unless we traded up. Most mocks have him at #4 and when Embiid got injured, some of them had him as the 3rd player to be picked.

Let's not cry about it already. Exum wasnt supposed to reach #6 to begin with. And Smart is also a very good prospect like Exum. Will Exum be better, probably, but what can we do? We are not able to select him because he went early.

[winsomme]

Ah.. another we didn't tank hard enough thread...

I'll tune in to see if it gets new never seen before content.

So leading up to the draft, it's been "just you wait and see" and now one day after it's come to fruition it's "enough with the complaining already"?

Um, no. Now is exactly the time to complain. The thing many have been pointing out much of the season finally hits and now the people rebuffing all along don't want to hear it?

The "we didn't tank hard enough" complaint may not be new, but the clarity of our prospects of being a good team any time soon couldn't be newer.

Well, I'm extremely happy with Smart, he was the guy I wanted. And as history has once again shown, having the worst record in the league doesn't guarantee the first pick. So even if we ended up with the 4th or 5th pick, Smart would still be the guy I wanted.

And my comment was towards a repetition of the same content in these threads, and the need for people to start their own thread to post their opinions of matters that are being discussed in 20 other threads.

So with that said, I'll sit back and enjoy what is going to be posted in this thread... hopefully something not being discussed elsewhere, but I'm not keeping my hopes up.

You know who you could have drafted with the 4th or 5th pick? Smart. But you know who we couldn't trade for with the 6th pick? KLove.

Look if Rondo stays here and continues to build with this team, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. But I'm certainly not going to hide when the things I was worried about happening start happening.

The next shoe to drop IMO is Rondo getting moved and that would be a very sad day for me as a Cs fan.

I wanted Love, but having a higher pick is also not an indicator that the trade would've happened, and even then I'm quite wary of the value we'd have going out to get him when he's mentioned he won't opt-in or sign an extension to the team he's being sent.

It's a huge gamble to take him on just for the prayer that he remains with us after next season.

For all I know, having the 6th pick saved us from going two steps backwards in our rebuilding process.

I'm quite high on what a Rondo-Smart pairing could accomplish, and even more so if we retain Avery Bradley.

We have a ton of assets to play with, doesn't mean we should overpay right now for anyone, particularly when 2015 is when the team will have the biggest opportunity, and at lower risks and cost, to get the real help for our roster.

Fair enough on the KLove gamble. But surely with the reporting out there you can concede that Danny himself wanted Love enough to make that gamble.

Plus, you're ignoring the Rondo gamble. I mean, do you really think Rondo is going to sign up for this rebuild or that it even makes sense to sign him up for it?

My criticism is not of the pick. I like Smart a lot. But again, not at the expense of Rondo. Do you really not see a Rondo trade as real possibility at this point?

In 2015 we'll have plenty of cap space, if we haven't acquired the help he "needs" by then, so the help can be had on that free-agency and he can just resign then.

Getting Kevin Love wouldn't have changed that, particularly if he still sees himself as playing the market next off-season, so having him this season doesn't mean much all told unless we could've agreed on an extension on the trade, but by what he has mentioned it doesn't sound likely.

Trading Rondo has always been a possibility regardless of what the team does. I don't think drafting Smart has anything to do with it, other than having a contingency plan in place if he does leave/is traded. Just the same as if a big trade had happened, nothing would've changed really on the Rondo front.

So you're would be worried about KLove walking had we traded for him but you're not worried about Rondo walking?

Let me ask you this, Bud. Do you think Rondo gets traded this off season?

[The Oracle]

   When summer league starts everyone will stop with all this nonsense!  Smart will look NBA ready and Exum and others wont!

[winsomme]

  This is all so WRONG!!  If you trade hump, then sully and KO fill his minutes and subsequently the C's win MORE games!!!!  If you unload bayless his minutes are filled by Pressey and CJ and the C's are no worse off!  Stop with the tank should have been better it simply is not true!

this has very little to do with Exum. It's about not really going after the most obvious chip we could have had coming out of this season.

[BudweiserCeltic]

Ah.. another we didn't tank hard enough thread...

I'll tune in to see if it gets new never seen before content.

So leading up to the draft, it's been "just you wait and see" and now one day after it's come to fruition it's "enough with the complaining already"?

Um, no. Now is exactly the time to complain. The thing many have been pointing out much of the season finally hits and now the people rebuffing all along don't want to hear it?

The "we didn't tank hard enough" complaint may not be new, but the clarity of our prospects of being a good team any time soon couldn't be newer.

Well, I'm extremely happy with Smart, he was the guy I wanted. And as history has once again shown, having the worst record in the league doesn't guarantee the first pick. So even if we ended up with the 4th or 5th pick, Smart would still be the guy I wanted.

And my comment was towards a repetition of the same content in these threads, and the need for people to start their own thread to post their opinions of matters that are being discussed in 20 other threads.

So with that said, I'll sit back and enjoy what is going to be posted in this thread... hopefully something not being discussed elsewhere, but I'm not keeping my hopes up.

You know who you could have drafted with the 4th or 5th pick? Smart. But you know who we couldn't trade for with the 6th pick? KLove.

Look if Rondo stays here and continues to build with this team, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. But I'm certainly not going to hide when the things I was worried about happening start happening.

The next shoe to drop IMO is Rondo getting moved and that would be a very sad day for me as a Cs fan.

I wanted Love, but having a higher pick is also not an indicator that the trade would've happened, and even then I'm quite wary of the value we'd have going out to get him when he's mentioned he won't opt-in or sign an extension to the team he's being sent.

It's a huge gamble to take him on just for the prayer that he remains with us after next season.

For all I know, having the 6th pick saved us from going two steps backwards in our rebuilding process.

I'm quite high on what a Rondo-Smart pairing could accomplish, and even more so if we retain Avery Bradley.

We have a ton of assets to play with, doesn't mean we should overpay right now for anyone, particularly when 2015 is when the team will have the biggest opportunity, and at lower risks and cost, to get the real help for our roster.

Fair enough on the KLove gamble. But surely with the reporting out there you can concede that Danny himself wanted Love enough to make that gamble.

Plus, you're ignoring the Rondo gamble. I mean, do you really think Rondo is going to sign up for this rebuild or that it even makes sense to sign him up for it?

My criticism is not of the pick. I like Smart a lot. But again, not at the expense of Rondo. Do you really not see a Rondo trade as real possibility at this point?

In 2015 we'll have plenty of cap space, if we haven't acquired the help he "needs" by then, so the help can be had on that free-agency and he can just resign then.

Getting Kevin Love wouldn't have changed that, particularly if he still sees himself as playing the market next off-season, so having him this season doesn't mean much all told unless we could've agreed on an extension on the trade, but by what he has mentioned it doesn't sound likely.

Trading Rondo has always been a possibility regardless of what the team does. I don't think drafting Smart has anything to do with it, other than having a contingency plan in place if he does leave/is traded. Just the same as if a big trade had happened, nothing would've changed really on the Rondo front.

So you're would be worried about KLove walking had we traded for him but you're not worried about Rondo walking?

Let me ask you this, Bud. Do you think Rondo gets traded this off season?

Who says I wouldn't be worried about Rondo leaving? I'm just saying that getting Kevin Love this season, without him signing an extension, is not changing anything in the Rondo front. The worry about Kevin Love leaving is that we'd be giving up a ton of value to acquire him just to have him leave. And then, by your arguments, then Rondo might leave as well... and then where are we at?

I don't know what the plans for Rondo are, speculating would be a futile exercise, I hope he isn't traded though. Unless he sucks up the joint next season.

The safe bet is to keep the picks for now, and it might be for the best... I really like the prospects of Rondo and Smart together, if it doesn't work, then we'll cross that bridge when it happens... the difference is that we'll still have a lot of assets to land softly whatever the case may be.

[Celtics4ever]

If you trade hump, then sully and KO fill his minutes and subsequently the C's win MORE games

I don't know what games your watching but Humph held his own and plays better D than either of these guys.

[The Oracle]

  I dont know what games you were watching but when paired with Bass, Hump was far and away worse than either Sully or KO!  Especially in the 2nd half of the season! 

[winsomme]

Ah.. another we didn't tank hard enough thread...

I'll tune in to see if it gets new never seen before content.

So leading up to the draft, it's been "just you wait and see" and now one day after it's come to fruition it's "enough with the complaining already"?

Um, no. Now is exactly the time to complain. The thing many have been pointing out much of the season finally hits and now the people rebuffing all along don't want to hear it?

The "we didn't tank hard enough" complaint may not be new, but the clarity of our prospects of being a good team any time soon couldn't be newer.

Well, I'm extremely happy with Smart, he was the guy I wanted. And as history has once again shown, having the worst record in the league doesn't guarantee the first pick. So even if we ended up with the 4th or 5th pick, Smart would still be the guy I wanted.

And my comment was towards a repetition of the same content in these threads, and the need for people to start their own thread to post their opinions of matters that are being discussed in 20 other threads.

So with that said, I'll sit back and enjoy what is going to be posted in this thread... hopefully something not being discussed elsewhere, but I'm not keeping my hopes up.

You know who you could have drafted with the 4th or 5th pick? Smart. But you know who we couldn't trade for with the 6th pick? KLove.

Look if Rondo stays here and continues to build with this team, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. But I'm certainly not going to hide when the things I was worried about happening start happening.

The next shoe to drop IMO is Rondo getting moved and that would be a very sad day for me as a Cs fan.

I wanted Love, but having a higher pick is also not an indicator that the trade would've happened, and even then I'm quite wary of the value we'd have going out to get him when he's mentioned he won't opt-in or sign an extension to the team he's being sent.

It's a huge gamble to take him on just for the prayer that he remains with us after next season.

For all I know, having the 6th pick saved us from going two steps backwards in our rebuilding process.

I'm quite high on what a Rondo-Smart pairing could accomplish, and even more so if we retain Avery Bradley.

We have a ton of assets to play with, doesn't mean we should overpay right now for anyone, particularly when 2015 is when the team will have the biggest opportunity, and at lower risks and cost, to get the real help for our roster.

Fair enough on the KLove gamble. But surely with the reporting out there you can concede that Danny himself wanted Love enough to make that gamble.

Plus, you're ignoring the Rondo gamble. I mean, do you really think Rondo is going to sign up for this rebuild or that it even makes sense to sign him up for it?

My criticism is not of the pick. I like Smart a lot. But again, not at the expense of Rondo. Do you really not see a Rondo trade as real possibility at this point?

In 2015 we'll have plenty of cap space, if we haven't acquired the help he "needs" by then, so the help can be had on that free-agency and he can just resign then.

Getting Kevin Love wouldn't have changed that, particularly if he still sees himself as playing the market next off-season, so having him this season doesn't mean much all told unless we could've agreed on an extension on the trade, but by what he has mentioned it doesn't sound likely.

Trading Rondo has always been a possibility regardless of what the team does. I don't think drafting Smart has anything to do with it, other than having a contingency plan in place if he does leave/is traded. Just the same as if a big trade had happened, nothing would've changed really on the Rondo front.

So you're would be worried about KLove walking had we traded for him but you're not worried about Rondo walking?

Let me ask you this, Bud. Do you think Rondo gets traded this off season?

Who says I wouldn't be worried about Rondo leaving? I'm just saying that getting Kevin Love this season, without him signing an extension, is not changing anything in the Rondo front. The worry about Kevin Love leaving is that we'd be giving up a ton of value to acquire him just to have him leave. And then, by your arguments, then Rondo might leave as well... and then where are we at?

I don't know what the plans for Rondo are, speculating would be a futile exercise, I hope he isn't traded though. Unless he sucks up the joint next season.

The safe bet is to keep the picks for now, and it might be for the best... I really like the prospects of Rondo and Smart together, if it doesn't work, then we'll cross that bridge when it happens... the difference is that we'll still have a lot of assets to land softly whatever the case may be.

Land softly? We just went through a crash landing.

As for Rondo, it's not speculation. It's reasoning based on information. I think you are in a bit of denial about Rondo. He's in his prime. He must know that, and Danny must know that. Sure there would be a danger with Love and Rondo being FAs, there's danger in any plan. But it's logical to team those guys up, and it makes sense that it might work.

What's going on now, honestly, doesn't make sense to me. Our roster doesn't make sense, and we are putting Rondo in a position where I can see him starting to make other plans.

The one player that we have right now that is a known commodity is Rondo. And what Danny is doing rebuild-wise looks to be pushing him out the door. You might consider that futile speculation, but I think it's well-reasoned concern. The guy wants to win now just like Melo, and this roster is no where near win-now.

[Future Celtics Owner]

It could have been worse pick wise. But Danny does not make a move for the sake of making a move and there is value yet in those guys you mentioned....I hope we can get some for them. I will admit from the 1st game I rooted for us to lose....it got too hard to watch at the end of the year. I hope this year I will get to see smart rip it up and take over.

[BballTim]

Ah.. another we didn't tank hard enough thread...

I'll tune in to see if it gets new never seen before content.

So leading up to the draft, it's been "just you wait and see" and now one day after it's come to fruition it's "enough with the complaining already"?

Um, no. Now is exactly the time to complain. The thing many have been pointing out much of the season finally hits and now the people rebuffing all along don't want to hear it?

The "we didn't tank hard enough" complaint may not be new, but the clarity of our prospects of being a good team any time soon couldn't be newer.

Well, I'm extremely happy with Smart, he was the guy I wanted. And as history has once again shown, having the worst record in the league doesn't guarantee the first pick. So even if we ended up with the 4th or 5th pick, Smart would still be the guy I wanted.

And my comment was towards a repetition of the same content in these threads, and the need for people to start their own thread to post their opinions of matters that are being discussed in 20 other threads.

So with that said, I'll sit back and enjoy what is going to be posted in this thread... hopefully something not being discussed elsewhere, but I'm not keeping my hopes up.

You know who you could have drafted with the 4th or 5th pick? Smart. But you know who we couldn't trade for with the 6th pick? KLove.

Look if Rondo stays here and continues to build with this team, I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. But I'm certainly not going to hide when the things I was worried about happening start happening.

The next shoe to drop IMO is Rondo getting moved and that would be a very sad day for me as a Cs fan.

I wanted Love, but having a higher pick is also not an indicator that the trade would've happened, and even then I'm quite wary of the value we'd have going out to get him when he's mentioned he won't opt-in or sign an extension to the team he's being sent.

It's a huge gamble to take him on just for the prayer that he remains with us after next season.

For all I know, having the 6th pick saved us from going two steps backwards in our rebuilding process.

I'm quite high on what a Rondo-Smart pairing could accomplish, and even more so if we retain Avery Bradley.

We have a ton of assets to play with, doesn't mean we should overpay right now for anyone, particularly when 2015 is when the team will have the biggest opportunity, and at lower risks and cost, to get the real help for our roster.

Fair enough on the KLove gamble. But surely with the reporting out there you can concede that Danny himself wanted Love enough to make that gamble.

Plus, you're ignoring the Rondo gamble. I mean, do you really think Rondo is going to sign up for this rebuild or that it even makes sense to sign him up for it?

My criticism is not of the pick. I like Smart a lot. But again, not at the expense of Rondo. Do you really not see a Rondo trade as real possibility at this point?

In 2015 we'll have plenty of cap space, if we haven't acquired the help he "needs" by then, so the help can be had on that free-agency and he can just resign then.

Getting Kevin Love wouldn't have changed that, particularly if he still sees himself as playing the market next off-season, so having him this season doesn't mean much all told unless we could've agreed on an extension on the trade, but by what he has mentioned it doesn't sound likely.

Trading Rondo has always been a possibility regardless of what the team does. I don't think drafting Smart has anything to do with it, other than having a contingency plan in place if he does leave/is traded. Just the same as if a big trade had happened, nothing would've changed really on the Rondo front.

So you're would be worried about KLove walking had we traded for him but you're not worried about Rondo walking?

Let me ask you this, Bud. Do you think Rondo gets traded this off season?

Who says I wouldn't be worried about Rondo leaving? I'm just saying that getting Kevin Love this season, without him signing an extension, is not changing anything in the Rondo front. The worry about Kevin Love leaving is that we'd be giving up a ton of value to acquire him just to have him leave. And then, by your arguments, then Rondo might leave as well... and then where are we at?

I don't know what the plans for Rondo are, speculating would be a futile exercise, I hope he isn't traded though. Unless he sucks up the joint next season.

The safe bet is to keep the picks for now, and it might be for the best... I really like the prospects of Rondo and Smart together, if it doesn't work, then we'll cross that bridge when it happens... the difference is that we'll still have a lot of assets to land softly whatever the case may be.

Land softly? We just went through a crash landing.

As for Rondo, it's not speculation. It's reasoning based on information. I think you are in a bit of denial about Rondo. He's in his prime. He must know that, and Danny must know that. Sure there would be a danger with Love and Rondo being FAs, there's danger in any plan. But it's logical to team those guys up, and it makes sense that it might work.

What's going on now, honestly, doesn't make sense to me. Our roster doesn't make sense, and we are putting Rondo in a position where I can see him starting to make other plans.

The one player that we have right now that is a known commodity is Rondo. And what Danny is doing rebuild-wise looks to be pushing him out the door. You might consider that futile speculation, but I think it's well-reasoned concern. The guy wants to win now just like Melo, and this roster is no where near win-now.

  How many players in the league don't want to win now?