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Smart / Young / Ceiling / Floor
« on: June 27, 2014, 01:43:05 AM »

Offline rutzan

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Smart / Starter / Back-Up
Young / Back - Up / D League

realistically speaking...they are pieces...you don't build a team around them...smart should be the 4th or 5th best player on your team...young should be the 7th or 8th best player on your team...i highly doubt either will be an all-star...not really danny's fault....he couldn't have done much better...the lesson is to learn how to TANK like Milwaukee and Philly

Re: Smart / Young / Ceiling / Floor
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2014, 01:45:26 AM »

Offline beantownboy171

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Smart --  Ceiling: All-star   Floor: Starter

Young --  Ceiling: 6th-man  Floor: Bust

Re: Smart / Young / Ceiling / Floor
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2014, 01:46:54 AM »

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To be perfectly honest, if Smart ever improves his shooting, and works on his overall game, I would say out of Embiid/Wiggins potentiality wise, I think he would be the best player out of the draft.

Smart reminds me of Wade/Harden hybrid albeit slightly less quicker, despite the fact he was actually top 3 in prospects in lane agility, quickness, and overall speed.

Smart will definitely be an starter for years to come... His ability to anticipate passes, defense, switches, and his infinite motor is what will most likely net him at least 3-4 All Defense First or Second.

He also needs to improve his passing, so we'll see.

I think realistically Smart was never or shouldn't have ever been logged as a PG anyways. He was the undisputed scorer imo on the Oklahoma State team.

And I disagree with 4th or 5th best... Hes a great scorer... The finishing ability, and getting to the free throw line is a HUGE ASSET in this league nowadays..

Smart- Ceiling 5-6x Allstar: Floor: Starter
Young- Ceiling: 6th man, could maybe start on mediocre teams. Floor: Bust/back up swing men.

Don't know much about Young's game, but I do know hes a dead eye. His stats are inflated, because the Harrison twins are a great back court, but they aren't solidified passers, nor do they know how to create space for others.

So Young had to take a lot of 3 pt shots. We'll see. I like Young already, same goes for Smart. They seem like great individuals, and I can see them as a perfect fit for the locker room.
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Re: Smart / Young / Ceiling / Floor
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2014, 01:55:37 AM »

Offline joepatsfan

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Smart- Ceiling: Dwyane Wade type....   Floor: Backup energy PG

Young- Ceiling: more productive Afflalo ..... Floor: specialized 3pt. reserve

Re: Smart / Young / Ceiling / Floor
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2014, 01:56:33 AM »

Offline Jailan34

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First of all I find it unbelievable people on this site will talk up our picks in the late teens and twenties as if they are just another surefire gem Ainge has found late in the draft, but when it comes to ACTUAL talent coming into the team they couldn't be more pessimistic.

That being said...

Smart- All Star Guard / Starter on a decent team

If Smart can improve his shooting/passing I feel like he can be a real force at the PG spot.

Young - 6th man / Bench Warmer

Young had a tough time shooting the ball last season but the form is there, the aggression on the offense end too. I feel like he could be our instant offense guy.
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

Re: Smart / Young / Ceiling / Floor
« Reply #5 on: June 27, 2014, 01:58:33 AM »

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First of all I find it unbelievable people on this site will talk up our picks in the late teens and twenties as if they are just another surefire gem Ainge has found late in the draft, but when it comes to ACTUAL talent coming into the team they couldn't be more pessimistic.

That being said...

Smart- All Star Guard / Starter on a decent team

If Smart can improve his shooting/passing I feel like he can be a real force at the PG spot.

Young - 6th man / Bench Warmer

Young had a tough time shooting the ball last season but the form is there, the aggression on the offense end too. I feel like he could be our instant offense guy.

Why are you surprised? Fans of every team overhypes their players.

Re: Smart / Young / Ceiling / Floor
« Reply #6 on: June 27, 2014, 02:06:10 AM »

Offline Jailan34

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First of all I find it unbelievable people on this site will talk up our picks in the late teens and twenties as if they are just another surefire gem Ainge has found late in the draft, but when it comes to ACTUAL talent coming into the team they couldn't be more pessimistic.

That being said...

Smart- All Star Guard / Starter on a decent team

If Smart can improve his shooting/passing I feel like he can be a real force at the PG spot.

Young - 6th man / Bench Warmer

Young had a tough time shooting the ball last season but the form is there, the aggression on the offense end too. I feel like he could be our instant offense guy.

Why are you surprised? Fans of every team overhypes their players.

I'm not as surprised at the over hype of our role players as I am at the general negativity towards Smart who plays with tough defensive first mindset and isn't afraid of contact. Sounds like Celtic basketball to me.
You can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into.

Re: Smart / Young / Ceiling / Floor
« Reply #7 on: June 27, 2014, 02:06:26 AM »

Offline joepatsfan

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First of all I find it unbelievable people on this site will talk up our picks in the late teens and twenties as if they are just another surefire gem Ainge has found late in the draft, but when it comes to ACTUAL talent coming into the team they couldn't be more pessimistic.

That being said...

Smart- All Star Guard / Starter on a decent team

If Smart can improve his shooting/passing I feel like he can be a real force at the PG spot.

Young - 6th man / Bench Warmer

Young had a tough time shooting the ball last season but the form is there, the aggression on the offense end too. I feel like he could be our instant offense guy.

Well Im huge on young because I think he was a top 12 pick if you ask me.. If Ainge took Hood at 17 I would be losing my mind, but I've seen both of these guys and think that the pieces are there for both to be very good pros

Re: Smart / Young / Ceiling / Floor
« Reply #8 on: June 27, 2014, 02:25:01 AM »

Offline rutzan

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NBA Draft Success Data by Draft Position / 6-10 / All-Star Percentage = 20%
http://www.theblackfalcon.net/dollarsforballers.com/draft/allstarsdraft.html

NBA Draft Picks: Expected Performance
The 6-10 range show about 1/3 of the picks reaching star status, but lots of role players as well.
http://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm

Re: Smart / Young / Ceiling / Floor
« Reply #9 on: June 27, 2014, 02:29:46 AM »

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NBA Draft Success Data by Draft Position / 6-10 / All-Star Percentage = 20%
http://www.theblackfalcon.net/dollarsforballers.com/draft/allstarsdraft.html

NBA Draft Picks: Expected Performance
The 6-10 range show about 1/3 of the picks reaching star status, but lots of role players as well.
http://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm

Ummmm... Okay, and your point?

The Jazz were extremely high on Marcus Smart... They asked him to work out 3 times, and he refused stating that he didn't want to play for them.

So that kind of nullifies your point...
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Re: Smart / Young / Ceiling / Floor
« Reply #10 on: June 27, 2014, 02:34:57 AM »

Offline rutzan

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NBA Draft Success Data by Draft Position / 6-10 / All-Star Percentage = 20%
http://www.theblackfalcon.net/dollarsforballers.com/draft/allstarsdraft.html

NBA Draft Picks: Expected Performance
The 6-10 range show about 1/3 of the picks reaching star status, but lots of role players as well.
http://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm

Ummmm... Okay, and your point?

The Jazz were extremely high on Marcus Smart... They asked him to work out 3 times, and he refused stating that he didn't want to play for them.

So that kind of nullifies your point...

this is 30 years of data and facts...if you would like to deem them irrelevant...that's ok with me...be my guest

Re: Smart / Young / Ceiling / Floor
« Reply #11 on: June 27, 2014, 02:39:34 AM »

Offline Monkhouse

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NBA Draft Success Data by Draft Position / 6-10 / All-Star Percentage = 20%
http://www.theblackfalcon.net/dollarsforballers.com/draft/allstarsdraft.html

NBA Draft Picks: Expected Performance
The 6-10 range show about 1/3 of the picks reaching star status, but lots of role players as well.
http://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm

Ummmm... Okay, and your point?

The Jazz were extremely high on Marcus Smart... They asked him to work out 3 times, and he refused stating that he didn't want to play for them.

So that kind of nullifies your point...

this is 30 years of data and facts...if you would like to deem them irrelevant...that's ok with me...be my guest

I understand the statistical data, and I thank you for that.

But... you're being overly pessimistic... Why didn't you just post from the jump that you don't like Marcus Smart...

Because clearly Smart could've gone 5th, or even 4th... Which I'm surprised at, due to the fact Magic wanted Smart to help beef their back court with Oladipo.

EDIT: I didn't mean to sound rude or anything. So please don't take offense to it.

I just wanted to say that while the link you provided is proven data, it should ONLY apply to draft classes where there isn't so much depth. Smart/Exum/Vonleh/Randle/Wiggins/Parker/Embiid can all turn out to be Allstars, and it wouldn't have mattered where they would have been drafted at.
"I bomb atomically, Socrates' philosophies and hypotheses
Can't define how I be dropping these mockeries."

Is the glass half-full or half-empty?
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Re: Smart / Young / Ceiling / Floor
« Reply #12 on: June 27, 2014, 02:45:34 AM »

Offline rutzan

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NBA Draft Success Data by Draft Position / 6-10 / All-Star Percentage = 20%
http://www.theblackfalcon.net/dollarsforballers.com/draft/allstarsdraft.html

NBA Draft Picks: Expected Performance
The 6-10 range show about 1/3 of the picks reaching star status, but lots of role players as well.
http://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm

Ummmm... Okay, and your point?

The Jazz were extremely high on Marcus Smart... They asked him to work out 3 times, and he refused stating that he didn't want to play for them.

So that kind of nullifies your point...

this is 30 years of data and facts...if you would like to deem them irrelevant...that's ok with me...be my guest

I understand the statistical data, and I thank you for that.

But... you're being overly pessimistic... Why didn't you just post from the jump that you don't like Marcus Smart...

Because clearly Smart could've gone 5th, or even 4th... Which I'm surprised at, due to the fact Magic wanted Smart to help beef their back court with Oladipo.

it has nothing to do with smart...it could have been vonleh or randle...the numbers do not lie...they NEVER do...numbers are objective not subjective...they are what they are...danny did the best he could...could smart defy the numbers...sure...why not...could smart fall in line with the numbers...sure...why not...time will tell...

Re: Smart / Young / Ceiling / Floor
« Reply #13 on: June 27, 2014, 02:49:44 AM »

Offline Monkhouse

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NBA Draft Success Data by Draft Position / 6-10 / All-Star Percentage = 20%
http://www.theblackfalcon.net/dollarsforballers.com/draft/allstarsdraft.html

NBA Draft Picks: Expected Performance
The 6-10 range show about 1/3 of the picks reaching star status, but lots of role players as well.
http://www.82games.com/nbadraftpicks.htm

Ummmm... Okay, and your point?

The Jazz were extremely high on Marcus Smart... They asked him to work out 3 times, and he refused stating that he didn't want to play for them.

So that kind of nullifies your point...

this is 30 years of data and facts...if you would like to deem them irrelevant...that's ok with me...be my guest

I understand the statistical data, and I thank you for that.

But... you're being overly pessimistic... Why didn't you just post from the jump that you don't like Marcus Smart...

Because clearly Smart could've gone 5th, or even 4th... Which I'm surprised at, due to the fact Magic wanted Smart to help beef their back court with Oladipo.

it has nothing to do with smart...it could have been vonleh or randle...the numbers do not lie...they NEVER do...numbers are objective not subjective...they are what they are...danny did the best he could...could smart defy the numbers...sure...why not...could smart fall in line with the numbers...sure...why not...time will tell...

Agreed with your points.

I think the only thing I'll say is that I don't care about Allstar. Its a popularity contest at best.

What I do care is what Smart can bring to the table. If he can hit All Defensive First/Second team, I'll consider that more valuable than Allstar in his case. Some viewers don't like aggressive players, and others do, and while I think Allstars are entitled popularity contests mostly voted in by fans. All Defense selections are certainly not.
"I bomb atomically, Socrates' philosophies and hypotheses
Can't define how I be dropping these mockeries."

Is the glass half-full or half-empty?
It's based on your perspective, quite simply
We're the same and we're not; know what I'm saying? Listen
Son, I ain't better than you, I just think different

Re: Smart / Young / Ceiling / Floor
« Reply #14 on: June 27, 2014, 03:28:09 AM »

Offline Nef-Oracle

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When i look at these guys i see all star potential, all-rookie first & second team & rising star for both. I also see Smart being in the backseat for the ROY & the flopper of year (lol).