C's Have Talked to Cavs about #1

[Smokeeye123]

Well seeing how Chris Johnson is our only guard under contract next year, I think the guard position is just as much a need as the center position...

I count at least three things wrong with this sentence, so I hope this is a joke.

What, is CJ a SF and Babb a guard? Ok then Babb. Everybody and there grandmother knows bradley is gone so you might as well throw him out to. Also who cares about the semantics, SG is just as much a need for us as the C. We made do with Sully/Bass and others playing the center spot. And  Wiggins is a SG/SF so yes he WOULD be playing SG next to green at SF.

[LooseCannon]

Well seeing how Chris Johnson is our only guard under contract next year, I think the guard position is just as much a need as the center position...

I count at least three things wrong with this sentence, so I hope this is a joke.

What, is CJ a SF and Babb a guard? Ok then Babb. Everybody and there grandmother knows bradley is gone so you might as well throw him out to. Also who cares about the semantics, SG is just as much a need for us as the C. We made do with Sully/Bass and others playing the center spot. And  Wiggins is a SG/SF so yes he WOULD be playing SG next to green at SF.

Chris Johnson is a SF.

Rondo, Babb, Bogans, and Pressey are under contract for next season.

I expect Rondo and Bradley to be the starting backcourt next season and would prefer that to be the case, so I don't think guard is much of a need.

[Smokeeye123]

Well seeing how Chris Johnson is our only guard under contract next year, I think the guard position is just as much a need as the center position...

I count at least three things wrong with this sentence, so I hope this is a joke.

What, is CJ a SF and Babb a guard? Ok then Babb. Everybody and there grandmother knows bradley is gone so you might as well throw him out to. Also who cares about the semantics, SG is just as much a need for us as the C. We made do with Sully/Bass and others playing the center spot. And  Wiggins is a SG/SF so yes he WOULD be playing SG next to green at SF.

Chris Johnson is a SF.

Rondo, Babb, Bogans, and Pressey are under contract for next season.

I expect Rondo and Bradley to be the starting backcourt next season and would prefer that to be the case, so I don't think guard is much of a need.

You really want to invest 7-9mil per year in Bradley? I just think letting him go is the best option he is undersized and I don't like his new style of play...I prefer when he focused on defense and was an elite shutdown defender of the PG position. The new chucker version of AB is not as enticing.

[LooseCannon]

Well seeing how Chris Johnson is our only guard under contract next year, I think the guard position is just as much a need as the center position...

I count at least three things wrong with this sentence, so I hope this is a joke.

What, is CJ a SF and Babb a guard? Ok then Babb. Everybody and there grandmother knows bradley is gone so you might as well throw him out to. Also who cares about the semantics, SG is just as much a need for us as the C. We made do with Sully/Bass and others playing the center spot. And  Wiggins is a SG/SF so yes he WOULD be playing SG next to green at SF.

Chris Johnson is a SF.

Rondo, Babb, Bogans, and Pressey are under contract for next season.

I expect Rondo and Bradley to be the starting backcourt next season and would prefer that to be the case, so I don't think guard is much of a need.

You really want to invest 7-9mil per year in Bradley? I just think letting him go is the best option he is undersized and I don't like his new style of play...I prefer when he focused on defense and was an elite shutdown defender of the PG position. The new chucker version of AB is not as enticing.

I'm happy with Bradley as a starting SG.  He was doing exactly what I've been wanting him to do, work on his jump shot in real game situations.  I have confidence in him as a three-point shooter who can play defense.

[footey]

Bradley at 6mm a year, sure.  More than that, too many guys that can replace him for MLE.

[mmmmm]

Well seeing how Chris Johnson is our only shooting guard under contract next year, I think the guard position is just as much a need as the center position...

I count at least three things wrong with this sentence, so I hope this is a joke.

Fixed it.

[MBunge]

I just think letting him go is the best option.

When you suck, the last thing you do is let assets like a 23 year old Avery Bradley walk out the door for nothing.

Mike

[mmmmm]

Well seeing how Chris Johnson is our only guard under contract next year, I think the guard position is just as much a need as the center position...

I count at least three things wrong with this sentence, so I hope this is a joke.

What, is CJ a SF and Babb a guard? Ok then Babb. Everybody and there grandmother knows bradley is gone so you might as well throw him out to. Also who cares about the semantics, SG is just as much a need for us as the C. We made do with Sully/Bass and others playing the center spot. And  Wiggins is a SG/SF so yes he WOULD be playing SG next to green at SF.

Chris Johnson is a SF.

Rondo, Babb, Bogans, and Pressey are under contract for next season.

I expect Rondo and Bradley to be the starting backcourt next season and would prefer that to be the case, so I don't think guard is much of a need.

At 6' 5" and barely 200 lb, Johnson is an awfully "small" small forward.

He did play about 40% of his minutes last year at SF -- but that was primarily out of roster need.  Most of that came after Crash was hurt and we needed someone to play the spot when Green was sitting.   Before then he was used almost exclusively at SG.

Babb, Bogans, Pressey and Chris Johnson all have a strong probability of being gone by the end of the summer due being prime candidates to use as trade salary filler.   Pressey probably has the strongest chance of staying, but he's not a shooting guard.

Right now, we do not have a real Shooting Guard on roster who is guaranteed to be here (or on any roster) in the fall.

We actually DO have several bigs who are capable of playing center on the roster and on guaranteed contracts and who are very likely to be playing on a roster next fall.   None of them is the 'ideal' answer at center, but they are capable and we have them.  Plus we also potentially have another method of getting a 'true' center via trade (using the TPE to get Asik).

So, no, I think Smokeeye123 has a valid point that SG is at least as big a need as center.

I say that having already established that I do like Bradley.  But I don't know if Danny does intend to resign him or not.  That depends on the market providing price information we don't know yet.

And as much as I like Bradley, Wiggins would flat out be a HUGE upgrade at the SG position for us.

[LilRip]

Yes, it's Blakely...here's the link:

http://www.csnne.com/blog/celtics-talk/source-celtics-interested-no-1-pick

This actually makes me pretty angry at Danny. He easily could have tanked harder to get us a better chance at a top pick. He very easily could have released Humphries and Bayless who were unrestricted free agents. That alone could have gotten us a few more losses...

So he chooses not to follow in the tracks of ORL, PHI, and MIL telling us that he's not really crazy about this draft class. And now he's trying to land the #1 pick??? What changed?

Not only did choosing not to tank take us out of the running for Parker and Wiggins, it also is now making it more difficult to make a trade for Love.

At this moment, Danny not tanking harder is looking like a huge mistake.

I see what you're saying, but hey! We won that game against Charlotte late in the season! I'm sure that win tremendously boosted the upside of our young guys and taught them a valuable lesson in how to win. Without it, we would've been stuck with busts and career losers. 

[RockinRyA]

what's the official date and time of the draft in GMT?

[LilRip]

I don't understand the hate towards draft picks and the Auerbach reference in this thread. I thought Red was great at drafting and identifying winners, finding gems before they were proven commodities. The modern day version of that is RC Buford. Sorry Danny.

[DrJackson]

So I know this is a little out of left field, but I was playing around on Trade Machine and came up with this 3-way deal.

Boston
Get: #1 pick, Anderson Varejao, Jarrett Jack, Arron Afflalo
Give: Rajon Rondo, Jeff Green, Joel Anthony, Clippers' 2015 1st Rounder

Cleveland
Get: Rondo, Green, #4 Pick, #12 Pick, Clippers' 2015 1st
Give: Kyrie Irving, Varejao, Jack, 2014 #1

Orlando
Get: Irving, Anthony
Give: Afflalo, #4, #12

The Cavs have to be concerned with the possibility of Kyrie not resigning. In this scenario, even if Rondo walks, Cleveland still received 2 lottery picks, an extra first rounder next year, and a starting SF. Maybe they go for Embiid at 4 and best player available at 12.

Orlando gets the PG they want to put next to Oladipo.

Boston enters total rebuild mode and stocks up on picks. Goes for Wiggins at 1, Smart at 6, and a SG at 17 (maybe James Young or Jordan Adams or Stauskas if he falls)

The C's Roster after the draft could look like:

PG: Smart/Jack/Pressey
SG: Afflalo/Young
SF: Wiggins/Johnson/Wallace
PF: Bass/Sully
C: Olynyk/Varejao/Faverani

The Cavs could put out a lineup of Rondo, Waiters, Green, Thompson, Embiid

The Magic could put out a lineup of Irving, Oladipo, Harkless, Harris, Vucevic

[Rondo9]

Yes, it's Blakely...here's the link:

http://www.csnne.com/blog/celtics-talk/source-celtics-interested-no-1-pick

This actually makes me pretty angry at Danny. He easily could have tanked harder to get us a better chance at a top pick. He very easily could have released Humphries and Bayless who were unrestricted free agents. That alone could have gotten us a few more losses...

So he chooses not to follow in the tracks of ORL, PHI, and MIL telling us that he's not really crazy about this draft class. And now he's trying to land the #1 pick??? What changed?

Not only did choosing not to tank take us out of the running for Parker and Wiggins, it also is now making it more difficult to make a trade for Love.

At this moment, Danny not tanking harder is looking like a huge mistake.

I see what you're saying, but hey! We won that game against Charlotte late in the season! I'm sure that win tremendously boosted the upside of our young guys and taught them a valuable lesson in how to win. Without it, we would've been stuck with busts and career losers. 

Wait a minute, the Cavs won the lottery. The Cavs had a better record than the Celtics and ended up with the number one pick. The win against Charlotte is irrelevant, since the Cavs leapfrogged their way to number one.

[RockinRyA]

Yes, it's Blakely...here's the link:

http://www.csnne.com/blog/celtics-talk/source-celtics-interested-no-1-pick

This actually makes me pretty angry at Danny. He easily could have tanked harder to get us a better chance at a top pick. He very easily could have released Humphries and Bayless who were unrestricted free agents. That alone could have gotten us a few more losses...

So he chooses not to follow in the tracks of ORL, PHI, and MIL telling us that he's not really crazy about this draft class. And now he's trying to land the #1 pick??? What changed?

Not only did choosing not to tank take us out of the running for Parker and Wiggins, it also is now making it more difficult to make a trade for Love.

At this moment, Danny not tanking harder is looking like a huge mistake.

I see what you're saying, but hey! We won that game against Charlotte late in the season! I'm sure that win tremendously boosted the upside of our young guys and taught them a valuable lesson in how to win. Without it, we would've been stuck with busts and career losers. 

Wait a minute, the Cavs won the lottery. The Cavs had a better record than the Celtics and ended up with the number one pick. The win against Charlotte is irrelevant, since the Cavs leapfrogged their way to number one.

They won, But look at where the sixers end up, 3rd right? still better than 6th. Also, if we didnt win the game we would be picking 5th instead of 6th.

[Rondo9]

Yes, it's Blakely...here's the link:

http://www.csnne.com/blog/celtics-talk/source-celtics-interested-no-1-pick

This actually makes me pretty angry at Danny. He easily could have tanked harder to get us a better chance at a top pick. He very easily could have released Humphries and Bayless who were unrestricted free agents. That alone could have gotten us a few more losses...

So he chooses not to follow in the tracks of ORL, PHI, and MIL telling us that he's not really crazy about this draft class. And now he's trying to land the #1 pick??? What changed?

Not only did choosing not to tank take us out of the running for Parker and Wiggins, it also is now making it more difficult to make a trade for Love.

At this moment, Danny not tanking harder is looking like a huge mistake.

I see what you're saying, but hey! We won that game against Charlotte late in the season! I'm sure that win tremendously boosted the upside of our young guys and taught them a valuable lesson in how to win. Without it, we would've been stuck with busts and career losers. 

Wait a minute, the Cavs won the lottery. The Cavs had a better record than the Celtics and ended up with the number one pick. The win against Charlotte is irrelevant, since the Cavs leapfrogged their way to number one.

They won, But look at where the sixers end up, 3rd right? still better than 6th. Also, if we didnt win the game we would be picking 5th instead of 6th.

Still not number one, and with Embiid's injury it really shakes the order of the draft. All that tanking, and you are one slot shy out of the Wiggins/Parker sweepstakes.