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Re: Rival execs believe AB will command between $7-9 million per season
« Reply #30 on: June 24, 2014, 04:30:30 PM »

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You said it in the title your self "Rival execs"... why would you believe anything they say?

Re: Rival execs believe AB will command between $7-9 million per season
« Reply #31 on: June 24, 2014, 04:35:05 PM »

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If they want to put an offer to him for that amount, have at it. 

Good for AB too...glad to see him get his just due.  It'll just be from someone else.

Celtics offer...4 for 24 I think.  Somewhere in that ballpark.

Whadda ya want AB...a boatload of cash, or a little less and be a Celtic.  Your call at that point.

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There is a pretty significant difference between the Celtics offer and the numbers being discussed here.

Its incumbent on the Celtics to pay players they want to stay in green, not for the players to turn down their sole source of lifetime income for the sake of people who are much richer than they are.

I don't know about sole source...ask Lebron about those headsets and if he picked up a little pocket money from them ;)

...as for the 4 for 24, that's my bad.  It should read as "What should the Celtics offer?" and my belief is that 4 for 24 is the max they should offer him.  I'll never worry about the financial status of any professional athlete that can play past their rookie contract.  If they can't live on what they earn, when the majority of people in this country will never see that kind of money, then that is their fault. 

Being a Celtic is not about the cash...IF AB decides to stay with the Celtics, let Danny and Brad do their thing to put together a championship team, raise a banner or two, then wait for your number to be lifted to the ceiling.  That's a Celtic.  If he's only interested in the most money he can get, then he may end up on a team that will never sniff the playoffs and be pretty irrelevant in the NBA.

At the end of the day, nothing beats being a Celtic.

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I agree with you as a fan, but in practice I feel badly about asking people to take a massive pay cut to work for a company that's probably going to trade you to another branch as soon as it works out to their advantage.
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Re: Rival execs believe AB will command between $7-9 million per season
« Reply #32 on: June 24, 2014, 04:42:55 PM »

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If they want to put an offer to him for that amount, have at it. 

Good for AB too...glad to see him get his just due.  It'll just be from someone else.

Celtics offer...4 for 24 I think.  Somewhere in that ballpark.

Whadda ya want AB...a boatload of cash, or a little less and be a Celtic.  Your call at that point.

Rak

There is a pretty significant difference between the Celtics offer and the numbers being discussed here.

Its incumbent on the Celtics to pay players they want to stay in green, not for the players to turn down their sole source of lifetime income for the sake of people who are much richer than they are.

I don't know about sole source...ask Lebron about those headsets and if he picked up a little pocket money from them ;)

...as for the 4 for 24, that's my bad.  It should read as "What should the Celtics offer?" and my belief is that 4 for 24 is the max they should offer him.  I'll never worry about the financial status of any professional athlete that can play past their rookie contract.  If they can't live on what they earn, when the majority of people in this country will never see that kind of money, then that is their fault. 

Being a Celtic is not about the cash...IF AB decides to stay with the Celtics, let Danny and Brad do their thing to put together a championship team, raise a banner or two, then wait for your number to be lifted to the ceiling.  That's a Celtic.  If he's only interested in the most money he can get, then he may end up on a team that will never sniff the playoffs and be pretty irrelevant in the NBA.

At the end of the day, nothing beats being a Celtic.

Rak

I agree with you as a fan, but in practice I feel badly about asking people to take a massive pay cut to work for a company that's probably going to trade you to another branch as soon as it works out to their advantage.

I agree completely. The whole "celtics take the pay cut" is media speak for the owners. We as fans should not judge a player who wants to get paid more, that is their right. Maybe we should talk about how the owners should go over the cap and pay all that luxury tax because that's what a real Celtic would do for the team.

Also no player has the same kind of revenue stream outside of the league available to them as LeBron does.
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Re: Rival execs believe AB will command between $7-9 million per season
« Reply #33 on: June 24, 2014, 04:45:42 PM »

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$7 to 9 million is pretty much the going rate for a starting 2 guard in the league.  9 is probably high for Avery giving his injury history but you're not going to get ANYBODY decent for much less than 7.

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Re: Rival execs believe AB will command between $7-9 million per season
« Reply #34 on: June 24, 2014, 04:47:54 PM »

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http://www.masslive.com/celtics/index.ssf/2014/06/boston_celtics_rumors_2014_ave_1.html

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Mannix reported Tuesday that rival executives think Bradley "could command a contract in the neighborhood of $7 million to $9 million per year." The Boston Celtics would have the option of matching any offer, but a salary that rich could leave them with a difficult decision. Three league sources agreed during separate conversations with MassLive.com that $6 million per season sounds about fair, but all it would take is one team willing to pay more.

Do you want Ainge to pay that to keep him?

Sure, he could command that much in the right market with a team eager to spend $ on him. He could also command far less, which I believe is much more likely. Can't wait to see how it plays out. I imagine it'll be 4 year, $25M for Bradley. Too injury prone, too short, too unpolished creating his own shot, handling the ball and scoring. He is a quality defender, character guy and spot up shooter / cutter. His flaws will reduce his value this summer.

Re: Rival execs believe AB will command between $7-9 million per season
« Reply #35 on: June 24, 2014, 04:50:35 PM »

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It occurred to me that perhaps rival execs are saying this because the C's have been mentioning AB in sign-and-trade deals.  Suppose AB would go to Minny in a Love deal (in which we're also getting Martin) -- to talk about this, the teams must have some estimate of what Bradley would be willing to sign in Minny for.  Maybe that estimate is $6-$6.5 mil per year.  By creating doubt about Bradley's price, rival execs can chase Minny away from that particular Boston offer.

Of course, I predicted at the beginning of the year that Bradley would get $6-8, so I don't find this number ridiculously high.

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« Reply #36 on: June 24, 2014, 04:55:37 PM »

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It occurred to me that perhaps rival execs are saying this because the C's have been mentioning AB in sign-and-trade deals.  Suppose AB would go to Minny in a Love deal (in which we're also getting Martin) -- to talk about this, the teams must have some estimate of what Bradley would be willing to sign in Minny for.  Maybe that estimate is $6-$6.5 mil per year.  By creating doubt about Bradley's price, rival execs can chase Minny away from that particular Boston offer.

Of course, I predicted at the beginning of the year that Bradley would get $6-8, so I don't find this number ridiculously high.

I think it got lost in the shuffle, but there was a post maybe late last week or early this week about AB being included in trade talks.

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« Reply #37 on: June 24, 2014, 04:56:50 PM »

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$7 to 9 million is pretty much the going rate for a starting 2 guard in the league.  9 is probably high for Avery giving his injury history but you're not going to get ANYBODY decent for much less than 7.

You have to balance his injury history with him being a young player with upside.  He's going to be paid based on the very good chance that his production over the next few seasons will be better than this recent season.
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« Reply #38 on: June 24, 2014, 05:16:52 PM »

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$7 to 9 million is pretty much the going rate for a starting 2 guard in the league.  9 is probably high for Avery giving his injury history but you're not going to get ANYBODY decent for much less than 7.

You have to balance his injury history with him being a young player with upside.  He's going to be paid based on the very good chance that his production over the next few seasons will be better than this recent season.

I don't see AB improving much more...I think he's peaked.  He's definitely not worth $7-9mil.  Take the $7mil and pro-rate it based on the fact that he will probably only play 60 games per season and you will get his true worth...$5mil.   
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Re: Rival execs believe AB will command between $7-9 million per season
« Reply #39 on: June 24, 2014, 05:30:56 PM »

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Why would the Celtics want to overpay for a small, fragile, shooting guard who can't shoot or handle the ball well?

Re: Rival execs believe AB will command between $7-9 million per season
« Reply #40 on: June 24, 2014, 05:45:26 PM »

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$7 to 9 million is pretty much the going rate for a starting 2 guard in the league.  9 is probably high for Avery giving his injury history but you're not going to get ANYBODY decent for much less than 7.

You have to balance his injury history with him being a young player with upside.  He's going to be paid based on the very good chance that his production over the next few seasons will be better than this recent season.

I don't see AB improving much more...I think he's peaked.  He's definitely not worth $7-9mil.  Take the $7mil and pro-rate it based on the fact that he will probably only play 60 games per season and you will get his true worth...$5mil.   

I think it is more likely than not that he hits a new career high for 3P% at least twice in the next six years.  If they remain on the same team, I think there is a good chance that Bradley will move ahead of Jeff Green as a scoring option.  I could see him peaking at 18ppg if given the playing time.
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Re: Rival execs believe AB will command between $7-9 million per season
« Reply #41 on: June 24, 2014, 06:04:43 PM »

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Please sign and trade this bum. Ainge better make this failure right and bottom out like Philly did. Look at them. The Celtics would kill for that future. Noel #3 #10 that isn't including all te 2nd rounders and Thad Young who can be traded for a solid return of more picks.

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« Reply #42 on: June 24, 2014, 06:26:16 PM »

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Too much money to pay for a guy that can't seem to stay on the court because of injuries. If he could stay healthy then maybe 7/8 million would be okay.

Is there any way a contract could be structured for him where he was rewarded more for actually playing games? Not too familiar with the minutae of NBA contracts.

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« Reply #43 on: June 24, 2014, 06:46:10 PM »

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So in just a few years we will  have allowed contributors/assets Tony Allen, Ray Allen, Avery Bradley, James Posey, Eddie House, Leon Powe, Nenad Krstic, Greg Stiemsma, Keyon Dooling, and Mike Pietrus all leave with no compensation whatsoever.

I know we could have gotten something only for Ray and Tony, Avery and maybe Stiemsma, but I'd prefer we start getting something in return rather than letting guys walk

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« Reply #44 on: June 24, 2014, 07:32:29 PM »

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Then let those fools pay him.