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Re: Boston Celtics, Salary Landfill
« Reply #15 on: June 25, 2014, 07:28:41 AM »

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All of this sucks.  Rebuilding blows.

I have gotten used to it and appreciate the process it takes to make a championship team. Furthermore I do enjoy watching players come to the league and make something of themselves, not financially , in basketball production.

Re: Boston Celtics, Salary Landfill
« Reply #16 on: June 25, 2014, 07:30:53 AM »

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We don't want or need Nash. We want young talent with upside to sell high.  We already have enough salary with all the nets veterans. Rather get an undrafted rookie

No, we want the #7 pick.

If this gets us the #7 then hell yea. Plus Nash would soon be expiring which we could use. Not like we are competing the next couple years

Re: Boston Celtics, Salary Landfill
« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2014, 07:39:45 AM »

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We don't want or need Nash. We want young talent with upside to sell high.  We already have enough salary with all the nets veterans. Rather get an undrafted rookie

No, we want the #7 pick.

If this gets us the #7 then hell yea. Plus Nash would soon be expiring which we could use. Not like we are competing the next couple years

I think we need to put to rest the expiring-is-an-asset belief.  For all intents and purposes, Nash is an expiring already.  We are theoretically trading for him because he has enough negative value so as to be worth giving up #7 overall in this draft.   If that is true, his expiring contract status doesn't matter much at all, other than being not as bad as having two year left.  But it's not a bet positive.

Re: Boston Celtics, Salary Landfill
« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2014, 07:48:15 AM »

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I also don't know why you're sending them Faverani -- they're clearing cap space.  Faverani is guaranteed next year.  This doesn't help them.  If it's for salary matching purposes, the trade can be agreed to on draft night and consummate in July, when Bogans, Johnson, and Babb will make salaries match.

Probably because if they DID get Melo and Lebron in addition to Kobe's already rediculous contract, they will be so far over the cap that they will be desperate to get their hands on any young, cheap center they can find.  Faverani can give them a decent backup center at the very least, and may still have some upside.  Not exactly gold, but as I said their cap situation would likely make them pretty desperate for guys at the PG and C spots. 

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« Reply #19 on: June 25, 2014, 08:02:43 AM »

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I also don't know why you're sending them Faverani -- they're clearing cap space.  Faverani is guaranteed next year.  This doesn't help them.  If it's for salary matching purposes, the trade can be agreed to on draft night and consummate in July, when Bogans, Johnson, and Babb will make salaries match.

Probably because if they DID get Melo and Lebron in addition to Kobe's already rediculous contract, they will be so far over the cap that they will be desperate to get their hands on any young, cheap center they can find.  Faverani can give them a decent backup center at the very least, and may still have some upside.  Not exactly gold, but as I said their cap situation would likely make them pretty desperate for guys at the PG and C spots.

I mean, they can't get Melo and Lebron.  That's just not happening.  Maybe Melo, but no way does LeBron take less money because Kobe got his $25 million.  At any rate, the point is they can't be really that far over the cap, as they're using cap space to sign LeBron, Melo, or anyone else.  And Faverani takes up an extra $1.5 million of that cap space ($2 million salary minus $500k cap hold for an empty roster slot).  Furthermore, the only player they have under a guaranteed contract next year aside from Kobe is Robert Sacre, a center, who's cheaper than Fav.

Look, I'm all for taking on crap contracts next year for picks, and I don't mind giving back useful players in return depending on the crappiness of the contract and the quality of the pick.  I advocated Danny do that at the trade deadline last February.  I just think the particular parameters of this deal, like Faverani (not to mention Xavier Henry and Kent Bazemore, neither of whom can be traded), don't make much sense.

Re: Boston Celtics, Salary Landfill
« Reply #20 on: June 25, 2014, 08:37:19 AM »

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Lakers wouldn't do that.

We should not either...

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« Reply #21 on: June 25, 2014, 08:40:22 AM »

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Reports now are that the Lakers want to dump Nash + #7 to pursue both LeBron and Melo. Houston still has designs on dumping salary as well, and possibly Cleveland and Atlanta.

How far can we get as a facilitator?

#17, Bogans, Faverani, Johnson FOR #7, Nash, Henry, Bazemore
Trade exception + ? to Houston for Asik

Worth working our way to something like?

Rondo / Nash
Bradley
Green / Gordon (#7)
Sullinger / Bass
Asik / Olynyk
+ Embiid (#6)

With Kobe making almost 23.55 million, there's no way they can bring in both unless every other player on their team was min. contracts so in other words it's not happening. At 15 million each (which they wouldn't accept) that would put them over 53 million for just 3 players.