Per Ford Saric signed a Euro deal that keeps him out of NBA at least 2 years

[SHAQATTACK]

Rather trade the 17 up to 12 or so , and try for Staukas.
 

[NorthernLightning]

He's not going to come over in two years just to play for what, 1.5 million for 4 years. He's going to wait 3-4 years or whatever it is until he is no longer constricted by rookie salary limits.

He can make double or quadruple the rookie salary at a non-lottery draft slot, so  he will probably go late first to a team like PHX who was just going to sell a pick anyways.

[saltlover]

He's not going to come over in two years just to play for what, 1.5 million for 4 years. He's going to wait 3-4 years or whatever it is until he is no longer constricted by rookie salary limits.

He can make double or quadruple the rookie salary at a non-lottery draft slot, so  he will probably go late first to a team like PHX who was just going to sell a pick anyways.

It's after 3 years that he can sign for outside the rookie slot.  Maybe he'll wait the three years -- whatever.

But he's not getting 2-4 times what he'd get paid at 17, that's virtually guaranteed.  If he got double what 17 gets, he'd probably be about top 30 of any player in Europe, and if he got quadruple he'd be near the top 5.  A couple of months ago, when this deal was first rumored, he was supposedly going to get about $2.5 million per year.  That's nice, and better than #17, which can be paid about $1.7 mil next year, but it's nowhere near 2-4 times the 15-20 range of picks.  By not having a buyout to go the NBA  after year 2, he's certainly given up salary already.

[NorthernLightning]

He's already one of the better players in Europe. Top 5 probably. Even if he signed a 2 year deal now, he'll be even better in two - three years and command more.

So if it's 3 years until he avoids rookie pay scale, we won't see him for 3 years. Why would he come over a year earlier just to lock himself into a chump 4 year contract?

The question is when in the draft will a team make such a long-term investment just in the hopes of negotiating a market value contract in 3 years. He might want max money as a rookie, he and his father seem like the type.

[saltlover]

He's already one of the better players in Europe. Top 5 probably. Even if he signed a 2 year deal now, he'll be even better in two - three years and command more.

So if it's 3 years until he avoids rookie pay scale, we won't see him for 3 years. Why would he come over a year earlier just to lock himself into a chump 4 year contract?

The question is when in the draft will a team make such a long-term investment just in the hopes of negotiating a market value contract in 3 years. He might want max money as a rookie, he and his father seem like the type.

He's not a top 5 player in Europe.  That's crazy talk.  He might be a great player some day, but he's not top 5 right now, no way.  If he were top 5 at age 20 in all of Europe, he wouldn't have signed a two-year deal right before the draft, because he'd be in the running for #1 overall.

[heyvik]

He's already one of the better players in Europe. Top 5 probably. Even if he signed a 2 year deal now, he'll be even better in two - three years and command more.

So if it's 3 years until he avoids rookie pay scale, we won't see him for 3 years. Why would he come over a year earlier just to lock himself into a chump 4 year contract?

The question is when in the draft will a team make such a long-term investment just in the hopes of negotiating a market value contract in 3 years. He might want max money as a rookie, he and his father seem like the type.

He's not a top 5 player in Europe.  That's crazy talk.  He might be a great player some day, but he's not top 5 right now, no way.  If he were top 5 at age 20 in all of Europe, he wouldn't have signed a two-year deal right before the draft, because he'd be in the running for #1 overall.

completely agree with you.

[heyvik]

He's already one of the better players in Europe. Top 5 probably. Even if he signed a 2 year deal now, he'll be even better in two - three years and command more.

So if it's 3 years until he avoids rookie pay scale, we won't see him for 3 years. Why would he come over a year earlier just to lock himself into a chump 4 year contract?

The question is when in the draft will a team make such a long-term investment just in the hopes of negotiating a market value contract in 3 years. He might want max money as a rookie, he and his father seem like the type.

How do you know his father? or are you just speculating? I REALLY don't get it with all the Saric hype.

[Quetzalcoatl]

I am pro-getting-Love-or-Melo and I agree, next year will be miserable if we draft Embiid and Saric.  However, if we do, this is exactly what is going to happen:

1.) Our team is so bereft of talent that we absolutely need guys like Saric and Embiid.  We aren't going to compete with role players tricking themselves into thinking they are legit starters when they're not.  Danny will most likely grab them if they are both there.

2.) The 2015 draft will be even better than this one and at the end of next season, most of our bad players will have expired or will be valuable expiring trade pieces. 

3.) At the end of next season, we'll have a recovered Embiid, KO, Sully, a top 6 2015 lottery pick and our 2015 Clips pick, plus either Rondo or whatever we get for Rondo in a trade.  Additionally, Gerald Wallace's $10 million expiring, our 2016 first rounder and a projected Net's 2016 lottery pick would be able to get us someone really, really good.

4.) Then in 2016, we get all of that, plus either another lottery pick from the Nets or a high profile trade target.  Then, Dario comes back as a ready-to-go rookie who will play for us for 4 years on a rookie contract.  Embiid will have had one full season already.

So again - that is not my preference - but by 2016 we could have:

KO / Sully / Embiid / Dario Saric / at least 1 high profile free agent from Gerald Wallace's cap space / 2015 lottery pick / 2015 Clippers first rounder / upcoming 2016 Nets lottery pick / our own 2016 first rounder (most likely around 15th) / Rondo or whatever we get for Rondo in a trade / the right to swap with the Nets the next season AND the Net's 2018 pick, most likely in the lottery.  That is a great situation to be in.

The worst part about next year would be rooting for a bunch of guys who will absolutely not be on the team in 2016, other than KO and Sully.  Part of the fun of tanking is watching guys develop.  Other than that, we'd be in good shape coming out of it, it's not the end of the world.

That being said, let's get Love!

[NorthernLightning]

He's already one of the better players in Europe. Top 5 probably. Even if he signed a 2 year deal now, he'll be even better in two - three years and command more.

So if it's 3 years until he avoids rookie pay scale, we won't see him for 3 years. Why would he come over a year earlier just to lock himself into a chump 4 year contract?

The question is when in the draft will a team make such a long-term investment just in the hopes of negotiating a market value contract in 3 years. He might want max money as a rookie, he and his father seem like the type.

He's not a top 5 player in Europe.  That's crazy talk.  He might be a great player some day, but he's not top 5 right now, no way.  If he were top 5 at age 20 in all of Europe, he wouldn't have signed a two-year deal right before the draft, because he'd be in the running for #1 overall.

completely agree with you.

LOL. Okay guys, name five better players.

If he were top 5 at age 20 in all of Europe, he wouldn't have signed a two-year deal right before the draft, because he'd be in the running for #1 overall.

Your logic is fuzzy. It all depends on the player, and who else is playing in Europe at that moment, and how the player projects to the NBA.

[MBunge]

He's already one of the better players in Europe. Top 5 probably.

How many Euros have come over and been anything more than okay or decent players?  How many of them have ever lived up to the hype/anticipation that surrounded them?

Mike

[#1P4P]

Saric is a steal at #17 and this bit of news coming out is one of the few issues that could cause him to fall there. Having to wait 2 years for him to begin to contribute isn't ideal, but he's a solid prospect that projects to continued improvement. Unless there's an underrated prospect w/ translatable skills available, Saric is the selection at #17.

[saltlover]

Your logic is fuzzy. It all depends on the player, and who else is playing in Europe at that moment, and how the player projects to the NBA.

No it's not.  If he were a top 5 player, out of the several hundred players playing in the highest leagues in Europe, most of whom are 5-15 years older, and of whom many have played rotation NBA minutes, he would be such a prodigious talent that he'd be incredibly hyped.  He's got a lot of talent, but rare is the player in any sport who can be the best before he's reached his physical prime years and his prime skill years.  He has the talent to become a top 5 player in Europe, but if you think he's top 5 now, you're either delusional about his talent, or think Euroball is about the equivalent of American high school ball.

[NorthernLightning]

He's already one of the better players in Europe. Top 5 probably.

How many Euros have come over and been anything more than okay or decent players?  How many of them have ever lived up to the hype/anticipation that surrounded them?

Mike

That's a different question, and the answer is further evidence that being a top 5 European player at 20 yo isn't a guarantee to get drafted over top prospects, or even mediocre prospects, from elsewhere.

[CFAN38]

so to recap, we could trade Rondo, pick Embiid and Saric, and have none of them for the start of next year

tankpalooza 2.0

ugh

I think Sac parts with Thomas Mclemore and the #8 for Rondo. To me Thomas is an afterthought in the deal who would likely then be moved. At his size he will never be able to defend at a level where he will be a PG of a playoff contender and his production will dictate a starting PGs salary.

I could see using Thomas to move up a few spots from #17 to ensure getting Saric. Maybe to #14 with the Suns?

Yeah but if Fords Mock holds and the Cs could be getting Smart and Mclemore for Rondo that's not a bad haul. This would throw Smart right into the fire leading this team. Likely placing the Cs in the lottery again but that's a major build up of talent.

We HAVE to hold out for their pick and Thomas, period!!!!

[loco_91]

"Chad Ford ‏@chadfordinsider 9m

Breaking: Dario Saric has agreed in principle to a three year deal with Anadolu Efes a source close to Saric told http://ESPN.com ."

I actually think this could be great news for the Cs. Move up a few picks from #17 (if necessary) and draft him then let him develop over seas. If Embiid falls to #6 and the Cs get him they would have gotten great potential value in this draft just not the fast returns that less stable franchises need.

I think there will be better value available at #17. Losing Saric for two years is a big deal in terms of attracting talent via FA and trade, and it's also hard on the fanbase. This is a deep draft and lottery-value talent like Capela, McDaniels, and Ennis will likely be available.