LA Times: Lakers in talks to acquire Klay Thompson and facilitate Love deal

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More & more of me wants to see this whole thing blow up in Minnesota's face and see Love walk for nothing next year. 

Also, Thursday can't come soon enough.

I think that has a good chance of happening. I really think Flip isn't equipped to play this game of poker.

Its chess. Flip and Ainge negotiating:
"Negotiating with Flip Saunders is like playing chess with a pigeon. It knocks all the pieces around and craps all over the board. Then it struts around like it won", Danny Ainge.

is that a real quote from DA? lol

[rondohondo]

Makes zero sense

The minny would get the 7th pick, but guess what the C's have 6 and 17

Minny would get Barnes, Sully and a future pick is better

Minny would get Love, or clear a bunch of cap with Bogans,Bass, Anthony coming back

Oh yea, I thought GSW didn't want to trade both Barnes and Thompson, but in this deal that's exactly what it would take .

Total nonsense

[mgent]

#7 for Klay Thompson is fair value.

Ainge should offer the #6 for Klay. Klay's game would provide good balance to Rondo's in the backcourt. Make Boston very big on the perimeter too with Rondo, Klay and J.Green. Nice long athletic perimeter trio.

I also disagree. Have you read Canis Hoopus' recent article about Klay and his comparable players and lack of improvement in his three years in the league?

#6 or #7 for Thompson is a steal, I would do that all day if we can't do anything bigger.

As for the article, I don't think this trade makes any sense at all for Warriors or Wolves.  Involving the Lakers just makes things worse.

[Clench123]

More & more of me wants to see this whole thing blow up in Minnesota's face and see Love walk for nothing next year. 

Also, Thursday can't come soon enough.

I think that has a good chance of happening. I really think Flip isn't equipped to play this game of poker.

Its chess. Flip and Ainge negotiating:
"Negotiating with Flip Saunders is like playing chess with a pigeon. It knocks all the pieces around and craps all over the board. Then it struts around like it won", Danny Ainge.

is that a real quote from DA? lol

I want to know too

[Vermont Green]

So if it is true that GSW are trading Thompson for the #7 so that they can offer:

#7  (Draft Pick)
Barnes  (Good Young Player)
Lee  (Capable Vet to fill salary)

Then how does that compare to say:

#6
Sullinger
Bass+Bogans+Anthony

Those seem pretty even to me, maybe the GSW's offer a little better but as has been speculated in other posts, maybe the #6 isn't currently in the Boston offer, instead maybe #17 and a future.  In that case, GSW deal is way better (I think most teams prefer quality to quantity with draft picks).   If the #6 and the #17 are being offered (which I have always doubted), our deal could be better but Lee is still better than the Bass+Bogans+Anthony combination.

Another variation that could be considered would be #6 plus Sullinger plus Green+Bogans.  I think that deal would clearly beat the speculated GSW deal but would we really want to give up Green?  If we get Melo then it wouldn't matter but I guess I thought the point was to have a core of Rondo-Green-Love.

[chambers]

#7 for Klay Thompson is fair value.

Ainge should offer the #6 for Klay. Klay's game would provide good balance to Rondo's in the backcourt. Make Boston very big on the perimeter too with Rondo, Klay and J.Green. Nice long athletic perimeter trio.

I also disagree. Have you read Canis Hoopus' recent article about Klay and his comparable players and lack of improvement in his three years in the league?

#6 or #7 for Thompson is a steal, I would do that all day if we can't do anything bigger.

As for the article, I don't think this trade makes any sense at all for Warriors or Wolves.  Involving the Lakers just makes things worse.

It's a steal for the Warriors.
Thompson is a role player.

[hpantazo]

well, the San Jose Mercury news lists two major stumbling blocks for the GS-Minnesota trade:

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2014/06/20/snags-warriors-kevin-love-talks-dont-want-take-back-kevin-martin-dont-want-include-klay-thompson/

"A few hours ago an NBA source insisted to me that the Warriors flat-out will not agree to any of the proposals Minnesota is currently suggesting in the Kevin Love discussions. Not now, not in a day, not in 400 days. The first stumbling block: The Warriors are making it clear to everyone in the league, including Minnesota president Flip Saunders, that they very much do not want to part with Klay Thompson, the key part of any Minnesota demand. San Jose Mercury-News


Second big stumbling block: The Warriors have zero desire to take back expensive, no-defense shooting guard Kevin Martin in the deal, the source said. San Jose Mercury-News"

Sounds to me like Minnesota made an offer to GS, the Warriors refused, and then Minnesota went to the press and made it sound like a done deal that GS proposed. Just as I thought, there are no offers on the table yet that beat the celtics offer.

This also supports the idea that the lakers rumor is total BS.

[Yoki_IsTheName]

#7 for Klay Thompson is fair value.

Ainge should offer the #6 for Klay. Klay's game would provide good balance to Rondo's in the backcourt. Make Boston very big on the perimeter too with Rondo, Klay and J.Green. Nice long athletic perimeter trio.

And a solid defending duo as well.

But I see no reason why the Dubs would do this. They certainly dont need to trade Klay, and the only reason he's being floated around in these talks is because Love is the return.

[fairweatherfan]

well, the San Jose Mercury news lists two major stumbling blocks for the GS-Minnesota trade:

http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2014/06/20/snags-warriors-kevin-love-talks-dont-want-take-back-kevin-martin-dont-want-include-klay-thompson/

"A few hours ago an NBA source insisted to me that the Warriors flat-out will not agree to any of the proposals Minnesota is currently suggesting in the Kevin Love discussions. Not now, not in a day, not in 400 days. The first stumbling block: The Warriors are making it clear to everyone in the league, including Minnesota president Flip Saunders, that they very much do not want to part with Klay Thompson, the key part of any Minnesota demand. San Jose Mercury-News


Second big stumbling block: The Warriors have zero desire to take back expensive, no-defense shooting guard Kevin Martin in the deal, the source said. San Jose Mercury-News"

Sounds to me like Minnesota made an offer to GS, the Warriors refused, and then Minnesota went to the press and made it sound like a done deal that GS proposed. Just as I thought, there are no offers on the table yet that beat the celtics offer.

This also supports the idea that the lakers rumor is total BS.

Yeah, that sounds very likely, though this could be posturing by the Warriors too.  Hard to see how they expect to get Love without giving up Klay.

[mgent]

#7 for Klay Thompson is fair value.

Ainge should offer the #6 for Klay. Klay's game would provide good balance to Rondo's in the backcourt. Make Boston very big on the perimeter too with Rondo, Klay and J.Green. Nice long athletic perimeter trio.

I also disagree. Have you read Canis Hoopus' recent article about Klay and his comparable players and lack of improvement in his three years in the league?

#6 or #7 for Thompson is a steal, I would do that all day if we can't do anything bigger.

As for the article, I don't think this trade makes any sense at all for Warriors or Wolves.  Involving the Lakers just makes things worse.

It's a steal for the Warriors.
Thompson is a role player.

He's not the most well-rounded offensive player, but he still has some potential, and there's only a chance Marcus Smart could match his current production.  Not to mention he's a much better fit with our current players than Smart.

Klay Thompson obviously couldn't be our only move.  But then we could put all the rest of our assets into a Center.

[mgent]

#7 for Klay Thompson is fair value.

Ainge should offer the #6 for Klay. Klay's game would provide good balance to Rondo's in the backcourt. Make Boston very big on the perimeter too with Rondo, Klay and J.Green. Nice long athletic perimeter trio.

And a solid defending duo as well.

But I see no reason why the Dubs would do this. They certainly dont need to trade Klay, and the only reason he's being floated around in these talks is because Love is the return.

Well if there was any validity to the talks with the Lakers, I think he's saying the Celtics could replace the Lakers because our pick is one spot higher (and GSW would still get Love).

[Yoki_IsTheName]

#7 for Klay Thompson is fair value.

Ainge should offer the #6 for Klay. Klay's game would provide good balance to Rondo's in the backcourt. Make Boston very big on the perimeter too with Rondo, Klay and J.Green. Nice long athletic perimeter trio.

I also disagree. Have you read Canis Hoopus' recent article about Klay and his comparable players and lack of improvement in his three years in the league?

#6 or #7 for Thompson is a steal, I would do that all day if we can't do anything bigger.

As for the article, I don't think this trade makes any sense at all for Warriors or Wolves.  Involving the Lakers just makes things worse.

It's a steal for the Warriors.
Thompson is a role player.

Ha ha, funny. Klay Thompson can be the second option on offense in ANY contending team (well, maybe except OKC).

We already know how good a shooter he is, he can post up smaller defenders and he's slowly improving his attacks to the basket.

Add to it that he can defend 3 positions very well. He's probably the 2nd or 3rd most important player in that Dubs team (Bogut I think is actually more important but that's a debate for another day) . He's not a role player.

#6 or #7 for Thompson is highway robbery.

[DinoGanga]

If the Love trade falls through and we cannot acquire Melo either, this could mean Rondo is a goner. He would probably be traded in a package for the 7th or 8th pick. Since we do need 3 1st rounders because, as someone mentioned earlier today? they would all be up for contracts at the same time, what about rolling the dice and trading our 17th pick for the Miami Heat's 2015 or 2016 1st rounder? If LeBron leaves, I believe the Heat will be terrible for a year or two. Wade is opting in no doubt, but Bosh may leave with Lebron. Worst case we get the 30th pick, best case we get a top 5.

[nacceltic]

This is one of the dumbest trade proposals ever.  GSW is trying to win now.  Why would they give up Klay for a draft pick who...

1.  Will take at least a season or two to develop.

2.  Might turn out to be a bust. 

What player could GSW get at #7 that anyone with a brain would think is better for them than Klay?

Mike

I think the draft pick would be going to Minnesota as part of Love coming back to GSW. I am not sure if Thompson has stated that he doesn't want to play in Minny or if Minny said they would prefer the #7 to Thompson, but the deal is still relatively the same as before.

If you are Minnesota, why would you ever want the #7 instead of Klay?  Why would you want some package of #7, Lee and I guess Barnes instead of Boston's offer?

This only makes sense if Ainge has not actually offered the #6 for Love.

Mike

This....

The reason we're seeing this latest rumor about the Lakers pick, I believe, is because Danny has yet to truly offer the 6th pick and this is Minnesota's way of trying to tell DA that they can get a pick better than #17...

[chambers]

#7 for Klay Thompson is fair value.

Ainge should offer the #6 for Klay. Klay's game would provide good balance to Rondo's in the backcourt. Make Boston very big on the perimeter too with Rondo, Klay and J.Green. Nice long athletic perimeter trio.

I also disagree. Have you read Canis Hoopus' recent article about Klay and his comparable players and lack of improvement in his three years in the league?

#6 or #7 for Thompson is a steal, I would do that all day if we can't do anything bigger.

As for the article, I don't think this trade makes any sense at all for Warriors or Wolves.  Involving the Lakers just makes things worse.

It's a steal for the Warriors.
Thompson is a role player.

Ha ha, funny. Klay Thompson can be the second option on offense in ANY contending team (well, maybe except OKC).

We already know how good a shooter he is, he can post up smaller defenders and he's slowly improving his attacks to the basket.

Add to it that he can defend 3 positions very well. He's probably the 2nd or 3rd most important player in that Dubs team (Bogut I think is actually more important but that's a debate for another day) . He's not a role player.

#6 or #7 for Thompson is highway robbery.

The 2nd best scorer on a contender?
With a PER of 14.4? Now THAT is funny!
Now I'm not the biggest fan of biased stats like PER, but that would be the first time in the existence of basketball that someone with a PER that low was the 2nd option on a contender.

He also had 2 All Stars and a very important defensive big man, and all NBA defensive wing man in iggy.
So no, he's not the 2nd most important and would never be the 2nd scoring on any true contender or top 6 team. Not even with Lebron on the team.
He's a role player. Shoots threes, plays decent defense. Doesn't do ANYTHING else.
Working on his drives? No he isn't. He has barely improved from his first year. Look at the numbers.

If Klay Thompson is ever going to be on a championship team, he is going to be a role player.
Part of the reason this team is had such a disappointing season is because of his inconsistency. If this team still had Monta with Klay coming off the bench, or Klay starting with Monta getting starter minutes off the bench, then this team would be in better position. I wouldn't say Thompson is the most overrated player  because his expectations weren't as high outside of the Bay Area.

I posted this elsewhere but I'll add it here for you:
Klay's obviously a better defender but this highlights how similar they are on offense.
2014 NBA season:

Klay's PER 14.3
K Mart's PER 16.3

Klay 3 point shooting 41.7 %
K Mart 3 point shooting 38.7%

Klay Offensive rating 108
Klay Defensive rating 106

K Mart Offensive rating 110
K Mart Defensive rating 109

Thompson's team mates Iguadala and Bogut are going to sway team defense in Klay's favor, although I do agree Klay is a good defender. Not spectacular, but good.

I laugh every time that he attempts 2 free throws a game.

Thompson's problem is that he doesn't rebound, doesn't get to the line and won't drive to the rim... and that's his major downfall and why he'll unlikely be anything more than Kevin Martin with better defense but less dribble penetration.