Should we target Detroit?s Monroe if we can?t get Love?

[heyvik]

The good thing about RFAs is that they are usually easier to attain than your typical player under contract. I don't think there is any way we would have to give up the #6. Earlier in the year we discussed giving up Green and a first - this still seems reasonable. Det would love to have a pick in this draft and the #17 seems more fair to me...and we still get to keep our #6!

If we keep Monroe at center, then we should be all set, but if we are still intent on bringing in a guy like Asik, then one of KO/Sully needs to go - and sf would then become a glaring need.

I would even give up Sully, Green and #17 for Monroe. IF we could sign & trade for Monroe. We would then need to pursue a legit shooter and shot creator.

[Evantime34]

I am a big Monroe fan but I think it depends what kind of salary he wants.

I think a package of Jeff Green, all of our non guaranteed deals and a future pick would make sense.

[gpap]

The good thing about RFAs is that they are usually easier to attain than your typical player under contract. I don't think there is any way we would have to give up the #6. Earlier in the year we discussed giving up Green and a first - this still seems reasonable. Det would love to have a pick in this draft and the #17 seems more fair to me...and we still get to keep our #6!

If we keep Monroe at center, then we should be all set, but if we are still intent on bringing in a guy like Asik, then one of KO/Sully needs to go - and sf would then become a glaring need.

I would even give up Sully, Green and #17 for Monroe. IF we could sign & trade for Monroe. We would then need to pursue a legit shooter and shot creator.

Yeah, I am pretty sure such a deal could happen.

Like, if Monroe and the Celts agreed to let's say a 4 year deal at 12 mil per, then the Celts would then package Sully, along with either Green or Bass and say a non-guaranteed deal or expiring like Bogans or Joel Anthony to make it work.

Come to think of it, this is actually a really good idea.

The only other issue could be if another team with cap space like the Lakers swoops in and tries to get him.

[Randy]

I would even give up Sully, Green and #17 for Monroe. IF we could sign & trade for Monroe. We would then need to pursue a legit shooter and shot creator.

I'd do one or the other, green & sully or the #17.

[gpap]

I would even give up Sully, Green and #17 for Monroe. IF we could sign & trade for Monroe. We would then need to pursue a legit shooter and shot creator.

I'd do one or the other, green & sully or the #17.

Ironically enough, the Pistons could use a small forward, couldn't they?

[bknova]

also cannot do it.  monroe is an rfa, cannot be traded unless he agrees to a contract with a team and pistons decide not to match and both sides agree to a sign and trade to facilitate.  a team cannot negotiate or speak with a potential free agent until free agency begins july 1.  a future draft pick sure, this draft the 6, no.

Hmmm....I am pretty sure such a trade can still happen.

I do realize because he's an RFA, it would have to wait til after July 1st.

However, if Monroe agreed to come to Boston, then Detroit could still sign and trade him here for a player or players of equal value (which could or would include a draft pick.)

Is that not correct?

As you can't negotiate with the guy until 7/1, you cannot determine if he wants to sign a contract with you.  Also as you can't give him a number, the Pistons can't decide whether or not they will match.  Therefore as all of these things cannot occur, you'd be silly to pick for Detroit....because Monroe may not want to come to Boston, or someone else might offer him more. And you get stuck with a player you picked for another team! 

At this juncture you cannot trade a pick in this draft (the original posters proposal) for a fa or rfa.  Future drafts, yes.  This draft, no.

[gpap]

also cannot do it.  monroe is an rfa, cannot be traded unless he agrees to a contract with a team and pistons decide not to match and both sides agree to a sign and trade to facilitate.  a team cannot negotiate or speak with a potential free agent until free agency begins july 1.  a future draft pick sure, this draft the 6, no.

Hmmm....I am pretty sure such a trade can still happen.

I do realize because he's an RFA, it would have to wait til after July 1st.

However, if Monroe agreed to come to Boston, then Detroit could still sign and trade him here for a player or players of equal value (which could or would include a draft pick.)

Is that not correct?

As you can't negotiate with the guy until 7/1, you cannot determine if he wants to sign a contract with you.  Also as you can't give him a number, the Pistons can't decide whether or not they will match.  Therefore as all of these things cannot occur, you'd be silly to pick for Detroit....because Monroe may not want to come to Boston, or someone else might offer him more. And you get stuck with a player you picked for another team! 

At this juncture you cannot trade a pick in this draft (the original posters proposal) for a fa or rfa.  Future drafts, yes.  This draft, no.

Ok, yeah that's what I thought.

But if say Detroit really liked whoever the Celts drafted next week, and the Celts agreed to include him in the deal, they could still do so, correct?

[Evantime34]

I'm not sure why we would give up Sully for a restricted free agent whose team probably would deal him. I personally wouldn't move Sully or Olynyk in any deal for Monroe.

The good thing about RFAs is that they are usually easier to attain than your typical player under contract. I don't think there is any way we would have to give up the #6. Earlier in the year we discussed giving up Green and a first - this still seems reasonable. Det would love to have a pick in this draft and the #17 seems more fair to me...and we still get to keep our #6!

If we keep Monroe at center, then we should be all set, but if we are still intent on bringing in a guy like Asik, then one of KO/Sully needs to go - and sf would then become a glaring need.

I would even give up Sully, Green and #17 for Monroe. IF we could sign & trade for Monroe. We would then need to pursue a legit shooter and shot creator.

Yeah, I am pretty sure such a deal could happen.

Like, if Monroe and the Celts agreed to let's say a 4 year deal at 12 mil per, then the Celts would then package Sully, along with either Green or Bass and say a non-guaranteed deal or expiring like Bogans or Joel Anthony to make it work.

Come to think of it, this is actually a really good idea.

The only other issue could be if another team with cap space like the Lakers swoops in and tries to get him.

I think he's going to want a whole heck of a lot more than $12 a year. I bet he gets closer to $16 than 12 on the open market.

[Fafnir]

I'm not a big Monroe fan, rather not spend assets/salary cap space on him.

[heyvik]

I'm not a big Monroe fan, rather not spend assets/salary cap space on him.

would you then like to go into full rebuild mode?

[heyvik]

I think if we try and target Monroe, we'd have like 6 PFs and no legit Center on the team. I could see, if we had to trade Sully, on a detroit team as a 3rd big. Would be great playing inside out as a PF with Drummond and in VERY short spells playing C with Jsmooth as the PF.

I'm not sure why we would give up Sully for a restricted free agent whose team probably would deal him. I personally wouldn't move Sully or Olynyk in any deal for Monroe.

[bknova]

also cannot do it.  monroe is an rfa, cannot be traded unless he agrees to a contract with a team and pistons decide not to match and both sides agree to a sign and trade to facilitate.  a team cannot negotiate or speak with a potential free agent until free agency begins july 1.  a future draft pick sure, this draft the 6, no.

Hmmm....I am pretty sure such a trade can still happen.

I do realize because he's an RFA, it would have to wait til after July 1st.

However, if Monroe agreed to come to Boston, then Detroit could still sign and trade him here for a player or players of equal value (which could or would include a draft pick.)

Is that not correct?

As you can't negotiate with the guy until 7/1, you cannot determine if he wants to sign a contract with you.  Also as you can't give him a number, the Pistons can't decide whether or not they will match.  Therefore as all of these things cannot occur, you'd be silly to pick for Detroit....because Monroe may not want to come to Boston, or someone else might offer him more. And you get stuck with a player you picked for another team! 

At this juncture you cannot trade a pick in this draft (the original posters proposal) for a fa or rfa.  Future drafts, yes.  This draft, no.

Ok, yeah that's what I thought.

But if say Detroit really liked whoever the Celts drafted next week, and the Celts agreed to include him in the deal, they could still do so, correct?

Yes, you can trade the rights to a drafted player at any point up until said player signs his contract.  Then, if I'm not mistaken, he is tradable like any free agent signing, something like 6 months, december or jan or something.

[bknova]

The good thing about RFAs is that they are usually easier to attain than your typical player under contract. I don't think there is any way we would have to give up the #6. Earlier in the year we discussed giving up Green and a first - this still seems reasonable. Det would love to have a pick in this draft and the #17 seems more fair to me...and we still get to keep our #6!

If we keep Monroe at center, then we should be all set, but if we are still intent on bringing in a guy like Asik, then one of KO/Sully needs to go - and sf would then become a glaring need.

I would even give up Sully, Green and #17 for Monroe. IF we could sign & trade for Monroe. We would then need to pursue a legit shooter and shot creator.

Yeah, I am pretty sure such a deal could happen.

Like, if Monroe and the Celts agreed to let's say a 4 year deal at 12 mil per, then the Celts would then package Sully, along with either Green or Bass and say a non-guaranteed deal or expiring like Bogans or Joel Anthony to make it work.

Come to think of it, this is actually a really good idea.

The only other issue could be if another team with cap space like the Lakers swoops in and tries to get him.

I could be wrong on this, but aren't Bogans and Humphries deals no longer assets.  Both become free agents July 1, no.  Therefore they are expired, no longer expiring?

[gpap]

The good thing about RFAs is that they are usually easier to attain than your typical player under contract. I don't think there is any way we would have to give up the #6. Earlier in the year we discussed giving up Green and a first - this still seems reasonable. Det would love to have a pick in this draft and the #17 seems more fair to me...and we still get to keep our #6!

If we keep Monroe at center, then we should be all set, but if we are still intent on bringing in a guy like Asik, then one of KO/Sully needs to go - and sf would then become a glaring need.

I would even give up Sully, Green and #17 for Monroe. IF we could sign & trade for Monroe. We would then need to pursue a legit shooter and shot creator.

Yeah, I am pretty sure such a deal could happen.

Like, if Monroe and the Celts agreed to let's say a 4 year deal at 12 mil per, then the Celts would then package Sully, along with either Green or Bass and say a non-guaranteed deal or expiring like Bogans or Joel Anthony to make it work.

Come to think of it, this is actually a really good idea.

The only other issue could be if another team with cap space like the Lakers swoops in and tries to get him.

I could be wrong on this, but aren't Bogans and Humphries deals no longer assets.  Both become free agents July 1, no.  Therefore they are expired, no longer expiring?

I know Hump is a free agent but I am pretty sure the Celts can still use Bogan's salary as filler in a trade.

If I am wrong, someone please feel free to correct me

[kozlodoev]

Bogans is on a four-year non-guaranteed contract.