embiid suffers foot injury

[Waew]

If he's there at #6, you really have to ask yourself "Why?". 

It's going to be because medical reports & red flags.  Not promising news.  If he slips to #6, it means that team doctors think this guy's injuries are a real concern going forward.  Teams aren't drafting him because they're incompetent, its for good reason.

So why waste the #6 pick on Embiid?  If he's there at #6, it's not for good reason.  I'm probably passing.

the same teams that passed on sully to draft Royce white, Tyler zeller, Andrew Nicholson

[manl_lui]

I'm REALLY not sure what I want now for Embiid

I mean, back injuries and foot injuries...that's a LOT of red flags to me...not sure how he will hold up at his height and weight...and he's young

And, there's very little physical wear-and-tear on him, because he hasn't been playing hoops that long.  If his body is breaking down with so few basketball minutes, how's he going to do after 82 games of wear-and-tear?  After 5 years?

I'd defer to the doctors, but this seems like a high risk pick.  The reward is potentially huge, as well, so it's a tough call.

I agree, ultimately I'll listen to what the doctors will say...because obviously everyone's body is different even injuries are different...I agree 100% to what you said, how is he going to hold up in a 82 game season and after 5 years

[NorthernLightning]

This guy is better than Oden ever was

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp7PX7hYUFQ

[BigAlTheFuture]

Kevin Love is seriously injury prone and you guys want to trade half our assets to pay him the max.

I'll take the injury prone center, pay him 4 million a year, and keep the rest of our assets, like pick 17, Sully, KO, and future firsts, and 16 million extra dollars a year to pay another star.

Lol. I'll take the proven injury prone all star over an injury prone rookie. We're talking about back AND foot issues. This is much worse and could potentially ruin his career before it even starts. Love's injuries aren't long term.

Obviously, if Embiid has no red flags, I would prefer him.

[BigAlTheFuture]

This guy is better than Oden ever was

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gp7PX7hYUFQ

Did you even watch Oden in college? He was a better prospect than Embiid.

[fairweatherfan]

Hypothetical question:  The Love trade is dead, but Embiid drops to 6, and Minnesota really wants him and offer to revive the deal provided Embiid is the pick (I know they've got Pek, but bear with me).   Keep him, trade him, or draft somebody else anyway?

[gpap]

Kevin Love is seriously injury prone and you guys want to trade half our assets to pay him the max.

I'll take the injury prone center, pay him 4 million a year, and keep the rest of our assets, like pick 17, Sully, KO, and future firsts, and 16 million extra dollars a year to pay another star.

He is?

First time I've heard that.

[arctic 3.0]

If he's there at #6, you really have to ask yourself "Why?". 

It's going to be because medical reports & red flags.  Not promising news.  If he slips to #6, it means that team doctors think this guy's injuries are a real concern going forward.  Teams aren't drafting him because they're incompetent, its for good reason.

So why waste the #6 pick on Embiid?  If he's there at #6, it's not for good reason.  I'm probably passing.

Worst case: he's an injury prone bust. If so we've got a good shot at a high pick next year.
Middle case: he's an injury prone back up big who provides rim protection when he's on the floor.
Best case: he's a generational talent who anchors the team for the next decade.
With this kind of upside I can't see passing on him.
I just don't buy the argument that big man injuries are so much harder to fix then others.
Wasn't love considered an injury risk when he came into the league?

[footey]

I'm REALLY not sure what I want now for Embiid

I mean, back injuries and foot injuries...that's a LOT of red flags to me...not sure how he will hold up at his height and weight...and he's young

And, there's very little physical wear-and-tear on him, because he hasn't been playing hoops that long.  If his body is breaking down with so few basketball minutes, how's he going to do after 82 games of wear-and-tear?  After 5 years?

I'd defer to the doctors, but this seems like a high risk pick.  The reward is potentially huge, as well, so it's a tough call.

Our doctors, contrary, apparently, to other teams' medical experts, advised Celtics that Sullinger back problem was correctable and not career threatening.    If Embiid were to fall to us, or fall low enough to make him available in a trade (can't imagine Philly would take him at 3 given the Andrew Bynum debacle), and we get medical comfort from our docs, I think you have to take the chance. The upside is so huge.  And it's not like we are deciding between him and another potential franchise player like parker or wiggens.  We will be deciding between Embiid and Gordon/Vonleh/Smart/etc.  (Assuming of course the Love deal does not happen). 

[heyvik]

This, in my opinion, changes the whole KLove to Boston. - for the worse

Why? Embiid was supposed to go 1-3, therefore leaving other pg, sg, sf, and pf on the draft board, which would make it 'easier' for Minny to choose a pg, sg, sf, or pf. Now, maybe the guy they may have targeted at 6 (with the Boston pick) may be off the table because Embiid slid and someone else rose.

What if Embiid is on the board at #6 and 'their guy' is gone - do you really thing Minny's gonna want to risk taking him at #6?

[footey]

Hypothetical question:  The Love trade is dead, but Embiid drops to 6, and Minnesota really wants him and offer to revive the deal provided Embiid is the pick (I know they've got Pek, but bear with me).   Keep him, trade him, or draft somebody else anyway?

Me: Pick Embiid, assuming his medical reports/exam control the risk.

You can bet Danny is on the phone with Arn Tellum right now.

[Waew]

This, in my opinion, changes the whole KLove to Boston. - for the worse

Why? Embiid was supposed to go 1-3, therefore leaving other pg, sg, sf, and pf on the draft board, which would make it 'easier' for Minny to choose a pg, sg, sf, or pf. Now, maybe the guy they may have targeted at 6 (with the Boston pick) may be off the table because Embiid slid and someone else rose.

What if Embiid is on the board at #6 and 'their guy' is gone - do you really thing Minny's gonna want to risk taking him at #6?

#6 is now #7. Its about the whole package.

[JBone4eva]

Embiid still isn't going down to #6 in my opinion.  Avery and Sully both had injuries and dropped in the draft, but they were also both undersized for their positions adding to the reasons why GMs didnt want to draft them.  Embiid is dinged up, but he still have the size and physical tools.  That alone will guarantee he is drafted no lower than three.

Would be nice, but I just don't see it as plausible.

[Donoghus]

If he's there at #6, you really have to ask yourself "Why?". 

It's going to be because medical reports & red flags.  Not promising news.  If he slips to #6, it means that team doctors think this guy's injuries are a real concern going forward.  Teams aren't drafting him because they're incompetent, its for good reason.

So why waste the #6 pick on Embiid?  If he's there at #6, it's not for good reason.  I'm probably passing.

By that same logic, we should have passed on Sullinger.  Did you oppose that pick when it was made?

Not exactly the same level or logic.

#6 overall & #21 overall in an NBA draft are very different situations.   I've always felt fine going with the whole idea of "risk/reward" thing in the latter part of an NBA draft.  Even the lower 15 picks or so.  Given the history & nature of lower first round picks, I don't really mind rolling the dice on guys when you're drafting later in the draft.

#6 overall is a whole different can of worms in my books.  You're drafting guys there who are potentially franchise guys or guys who can be 10 year starters for you.   I don't think you should reach or roll the dice when you're picking that high in a draft. 

Maybe I'm too conservative but, also, seeing the potential of Embiid, the only thing that will hold his game back at the NBA level are injuries.  If he's healthy, he's going to be the real deal.  He's not dropping to 6 unless things are really bad medically.  And I'd rather not throw away a top 10 pick there on that. 

[fairweatherfan]

Hypothetical question:  The Love trade is dead, but Embiid drops to 6, and Minnesota really wants him and offer to revive the deal provided Embiid is the pick (I know they've got Pek, but bear with me).   Keep him, trade him, or draft somebody else anyway?

Me: Pick Embiid, assuming his medical reports/exam control the risk.

You can bet Danny is on the phone with Arn Tellum right now.

Probably me too, unless Minny likes Embiid so much that they'd settle for fewer assets for Love.  His upside is too high.  But man, he's looking awfully fragile at 20. 

...the toughest part of that decision is that it'd probably push our rebuild back another year since Embiid will probably miss time and is definitely still raw.  Could hurt our chances at keeping Rondo.