Not One, Not Two, Not Th.....Whoops!

[fairweatherfan]

It's a bit of a ludicrous standard to hold a player to - I mean, Jordan failed to win a ring in 9 of his 15 seasons.  What's his excuse?  Duncan failed to get a ring 12 out of 17 years - what's his excuse?  Larry Bird failed 10 out of 13 years, he must be full of excuses.  Heck, even Russell's gotta have 2 excuses.  It's a bit silly to play the "what's the excuse now?" card when other greats aren't held to the same standard.

[loco_91]

LeBron is unquestionably one of the greats. It just isn't his fault that Wade has declined so badly due to injury, and it isn't his fault that the Spurs saved their best for last. Lebron didn't put on a historically great Finals performance, but nor did he put up a disappointing one. He was the best player on the floor, but it wasn't enough.

To me, the real story is not the Heat's collapse, it's the Spurs' dominance. They got open threes and layups seemingly at will. Playing like they did the last three games, I think they would've beaten any team since Jordan and Pippen shared the floor.

[wdleehi]

Basically, a lot of people do not like Lebron so are looking for an excuse to dump on him even more.

Which is odder...

The folks who don't like LeBron and want to dump on him or the folks who feel the need to jump in and defend the delicate reputation of a multi-millionaire celebrity when it's impugned on a sports message board?

Mike

Defend or point out actual facts?


"Lebron wanted out of the game" 

"Lebron didn't ask to go back into the game"


Based on a report from someone near the bench or because someone didn't see him from his TV?



Lebron did a stupid decision.  The Heat put on a stupid pep rally.  Lebron promised a whole bunch of titles that the Heat did not deliver.  Those are Lebron's mistakes.


How he played for the Heat is not one of them. 

[Moranis]

"We believe we can win multiple championships" - Lebron James

Seems like their belief in fact was accurate.

true but so far by their standards and what they told us it's been a failure.

but that is what he told us.  I mean you can play the video posted in this thread to hear that.  Sure he has that stuff about not 1, not 2, etc. to hype of the crowd (which is all that was), but if you you know you actually listen to whole thing, it is very clear what Lebron was saying and meaning.  Essentially, if things go right we believe we can be an all time great team and win a bunch of titles.  That is what Lebron said, everyone who hates him stops listening after the hyperbole at the beginning, but that is just silly.

[D.o.s.]

Not 3? 3peat? Miami Heat just got their 3peat guys. They lost Game 3, Game 4, and Game 5.

That's their so-called "3peat" LOL!

This was well done.

[ACF]

Basically, a lot of people do not like Lebron so are looking for an excuse to dump on him even more.

 You make it sound like it's a bad thing?   

The King is dead (or  wounded, at least) - long live the  Real King! (Timmy D)

[MBunge]

Basically, a lot of people do not like Lebron so are looking for an excuse to dump on him even more.

Which is odder...

The folks who don't like LeBron and want to dump on him or the folks who feel the need to jump in and defend the delicate reputation of a multi-millionaire celebrity when it's impugned on a sports message board?

Mike

Defend or point out actual facts?

Why do you even care?  Are you from Cleveland?  Are you from Miami?  Did LeBron loan you money?

The dynamic of why folks on a website devoted to one team would love to hoot and jeer at someone on another team is well understood.  Why you're doing what you're doing is more mysterious.

LeBron going out with 6 minutes left of an elimination game that was still technically up for grabs and never coming back in is weird.  It would be weird if it happened to any great player in that situation.  If people want to take advantage of that oddity to take a few shots at a world famous multi-millionaire...why do you care?

Mike

[wdleehi]

Basically, a lot of people do not like Lebron so are looking for an excuse to dump on him even more.

Which is odder...

The folks who don't like LeBron and want to dump on him or the folks who feel the need to jump in and defend the delicate reputation of a multi-millionaire celebrity when it's impugned on a sports message board?

Mike

Defend or point out actual facts?

Why do you even care?  Are you from Cleveland?  Are you from Miami?  Did LeBron loan you money?

The dynamic of why folks on a website devoted to one team would love to hoot and jeer at someone on another team is well understood.  Why you're doing what you're doing is more mysterious.

LeBron going out with 6 minutes left of an elimination game that was still technically up for grabs and never coming back in is weird.  It would be weird if it happened to any great player in that situation.  If people want to take advantage of that oddity to take a few shots at a world famous multi-millionaire...why do you care?

Mike

We talk NBA here.  Why wouldn't I enter my opinion on an NBA subject?

[MBunge]

It's a bit of a ludicrous standard to hold a player to - I mean, Jordan failed to win a ring in 9 of his 15 seasons.  What's his excuse?  Duncan failed to get a ring 12 out of 17 years - what's his excuse?  Larry Bird failed 10 out of 13 years, he must be full of excuses.  Heck, even Russell's gotta have 2 excuses.  It's a bit silly to play the "what's the excuse now?" card when other greats aren't held to the same standard.

Those other greats never left a playoff team in a conspiracy to join two other greats to, they hoped, put together a super-team that destroys everyone else in the league.

Let's be clear about something.  LeBron is not KG.  Cleveland was not a completely hopeless franchise that had a long record of barely being able to even make the playoffs while making one horrible decision after another.  They were a regular playoff contender who put decent but not great rosters around LeBron, until his last year there where they might have been able to win a title and LeBron's performance was one of the main reasons they didn't.

LeBron left a good situation for one where he thought the fix was going to be in and he could take a shortcut to winning that no previous great ever did.

Let's turn it around.  What if they Heat had just won their 4th straight title?  Would anybody be taken seriously if they argued it wasn't that impressive because the Heat were just so much better than everyone else?  Hell, no.  LeBron would have been elevated to the same level as Jordan or Russell and anyone who disputed it would have been dismissed as a "hater".

I mean, here's LeBron's legacy over the last 5 years.

2010 - Quit in the playoffs against Boston.
2011 - Lost in the Finals to a Dallas team the Heat had no business losing to.
2012 - Beat a young OKC team in the Finals.
2013 - Won another title after the Spurs made one of the all-time chokes in league history.
2014 - Get absolutely destroyed by the Spurs in the Finals.

Is that a legacy most NBA players wish they could have?  Sure.  Is that the legacy of the best of all time?  No.

Mike

[MBunge]

Basically, a lot of people do not like Lebron so are looking for an excuse to dump on him even more.

Which is odder...

The folks who don't like LeBron and want to dump on him or the folks who feel the need to jump in and defend the delicate reputation of a multi-millionaire celebrity when it's impugned on a sports message board?

Mike

Defend or point out actual facts?

Why do you even care?  Are you from Cleveland?  Are you from Miami?  Did LeBron loan you money?

The dynamic of why folks on a website devoted to one team would love to hoot and jeer at someone on another team is well understood.  Why you're doing what you're doing is more mysterious.

LeBron going out with 6 minutes left of an elimination game that was still technically up for grabs and never coming back in is weird.  It would be weird if it happened to any great player in that situation.  If people want to take advantage of that oddity to take a few shots at a world famous multi-millionaire...why do you care?

Mike

We talk NBA here.  Why wouldn't I enter my opinion on an NBA subject?

So you comment on every single thread here multiple times?  Like you've got OCD and can't control yourself?

Mike

[wdleehi]

It's a bit of a ludicrous standard to hold a player to - I mean, Jordan failed to win a ring in 9 of his 15 seasons.  What's his excuse?  Duncan failed to get a ring 12 out of 17 years - what's his excuse?  Larry Bird failed 10 out of 13 years, he must be full of excuses.  Heck, even Russell's gotta have 2 excuses.  It's a bit silly to play the "what's the excuse now?" card when other greats aren't held to the same standard.

Those other greats never left a playoff team in a conspiracy to join two other greats to, they hoped, put together a super-team that destroys everyone else in the league.

Let's be clear about something.  LeBron is not KG.  Cleveland was not a completely hopeless franchise that had a long record of barely being able to even make the playoffs while making one horrible decision after another.  They were a regular playoff contender who put decent but not great rosters around LeBron, until his last year there where they might have been able to win a title and LeBron's performance was one of the main reasons they didn't.

LeBron left a good situation for one where he thought the fix was going to be in and he could take a shortcut to winning that no previous great ever did.

Let's turn it around.  What if they Heat had just won their 4th straight title?  Would anybody be taken seriously if they argued it wasn't that impressive because the Heat were just so much better than everyone else?  Hell, no.  LeBron would have been elevated to the same level as Jordan or Russell and anyone who disputed it would have been dismissed as a "hater".

I mean, here's LeBron's legacy over the last 5 years.

2010 - Quit in the playoffs against Boston.
2011 - Lost in the Finals to a Dallas team the Heat had no business losing to.
2012 - Beat a young OKC team in the Finals.
2013 - Won another title after the Spurs made one of the all-time chokes in league history.
2014 - Get absolutely destroyed by the Spurs in the Finals.

Is that a legacy most NBA players wish they could have?  Sure.  Is that the legacy of the best of all time?  No.

Mike

What about Shaq?  He left Orlando.  Is he not an all-time great?

[wdleehi]

Basically, a lot of people do not like Lebron so are looking for an excuse to dump on him even more.

Which is odder...

The folks who don't like LeBron and want to dump on him or the folks who feel the need to jump in and defend the delicate reputation of a multi-millionaire celebrity when it's impugned on a sports message board?

Mike

Defend or point out actual facts?

Why do you even care?  Are you from Cleveland?  Are you from Miami?  Did LeBron loan you money?

The dynamic of why folks on a website devoted to one team would love to hoot and jeer at someone on another team is well understood.  Why you're doing what you're doing is more mysterious.

LeBron going out with 6 minutes left of an elimination game that was still technically up for grabs and never coming back in is weird.  It would be weird if it happened to any great player in that situation.  If people want to take advantage of that oddity to take a few shots at a world famous multi-millionaire...why do you care?

Mike

We talk NBA here.  Why wouldn't I enter my opinion on an NBA subject?

So you comment on every single thread here multiple times?  Like you've got OCD and can't control yourself?

Mike

Compared to the one and only one comment you have made on this thread?


That is how most discussions work right?  Everyone make one and only one comment. 

[celticsclay]

Basically, a lot of people do not like Lebron so are looking for an excuse to dump on him even more.

Which is odder...

The folks who don't like LeBron and want to dump on him or the folks who feel the need to jump in and defend the delicate reputation of a multi-millionaire celebrity when it's impugned on a sports message board?

Mike

Defend or point out actual facts?

Why do you even care?  Are you from Cleveland?  Are you from Miami?  Did LeBron loan you money?

The dynamic of why folks on a website devoted to one team would love to hoot and jeer at someone on another team is well understood.  Why you're doing what you're doing is more mysterious.

LeBron going out with 6 minutes left of an elimination game that was still technically up for grabs and never coming back in is weird.  It would be weird if it happened to any great player in that situation.  If people want to take advantage of that oddity to take a few shots at a world famous multi-millionaire...why do you care?

Mike

We talk NBA here.  Why wouldn't I enter my opinion on an NBA subject?

So you comment on every single thread here multiple times?  Like you've got OCD and can't control yourself?

Mike

Compared to the one and only one comment you have made on this thread?


That is how most discussions work right?  Everyone make one and only one comment.

I don't really get all the people that defend LeBron all over the place either. If someone insulted pierce or garnett when they were with the Celtics I would definitely engage. However, if someone says steph curry or Russell westbrook are not team first players, or Howard has no heart, I wouldn't be all over espn message boards or Celtics blog arguing for hours why they are. Those guys don't play on my team (the Celtics) so why bother ?

[D.o.s.]

Because some of us have an allergy to baseless nonsense masquerading as insight. 

[wdleehi]

Basically, a lot of people do not like Lebron so are looking for an excuse to dump on him even more.

Which is odder...

The folks who don't like LeBron and want to dump on him or the folks who feel the need to jump in and defend the delicate reputation of a multi-millionaire celebrity when it's impugned on a sports message board?

Mike

Defend or point out actual facts?

Why do you even care?  Are you from Cleveland?  Are you from Miami?  Did LeBron loan you money?

The dynamic of why folks on a website devoted to one team would love to hoot and jeer at someone on another team is well understood.  Why you're doing what you're doing is more mysterious.

LeBron going out with 6 minutes left of an elimination game that was still technically up for grabs and never coming back in is weird.  It would be weird if it happened to any great player in that situation.  If people want to take advantage of that oddity to take a few shots at a world famous multi-millionaire...why do you care?

Mike

We talk NBA here.  Why wouldn't I enter my opinion on an NBA subject?

So you comment on every single thread here multiple times?  Like you've got OCD and can't control yourself?

Mike

Compared to the one and only one comment you have made on this thread?


That is how most discussions work right?  Everyone make one and only one comment.

I don't really get all the people that defend LeBron all over the place either. If someone insulted pierce or garnett when they were with the Celtics I would definitely engage. However, if someone says steph curry or Russell westbrook are not team first players, or Howard has no heart, I wouldn't be all over espn message boards or Celtics blog arguing for hours why they are. Those guys don't play on my team (the Celtics) so why bother ?

Then what is the point?  We discuss more then just the Celtics.  Heck, we discuss more then just the NBA.