can Rondo play in the Spurs system?

[wayupnorth]

The Heat and especially the Spurs play a total team basketball game.  Everyone is involved and nobody has or pounds the ball for more than 5 sec.

Rondo on the other hand has the ball usually in his possession for 10 sec or more, before letting the ball go (sometimes asking for it back). So if rondo played for the spurs could he adapt and succeed in their system?

 

[Tr1boy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVmgB-jw_U0

This is how i'am hoping the Celtics will play basketball next season.   It's like a puzzle to solve on the offensive end.  Make the simple pass first , so that that player can make the pass to the open man. Instead of making it an adventure, trying to mesmerize, pull guys towards you and having to make difficult passes.

Diaw is definitely has elite passing skills. Better than alot of pg's in this league

  Diaw's definitely a good passer. We should just get a team full of players like that and we'll be well on our way to playing like that.

  Just for fun, why don't you compare our team to their team, position by position, in terms of which players are better passers? I'll bet the only position where the Celts have an advantage is the only player you think we need to get rid of to get this offense.

nope. Bc KO, Sullinger, Jeff Green are good passers.  When Green plays with AB and Pressey, he gets to be a facilitator more and you can see he has skills.

With Rondo its more like , when i pass you the ball i expect you to get the bucket in

The issue is with Rondo's lack of trust.  It's not up to him to restrict who gets to make the next pass to the next player.  But he does that more often than not.  If this was not true you don't have situations where the next player expected to score gets the ball with less than 10 seconds left in the time clock to make something happen/score.

Again in 2012-2013 season when Rondo went down the overall ball movement was superior. Also gave the team energy to play good team D

[Rondo9]

Do you have stats to back it up?

[Tr1boy]

Do you have stats to back it up?

yes. The next game without Rondo we broke a what 7 game losing streak?  Then went to play above 500 ball. We made it into the playoffs.  If we didn't lose Sully and Barbosa we would of passed the Knicks imo

[KGs Knee]

Do you have stats to back it up?

No such stats exist


He does have a litany of excuses for why the offense regressed severely once Rondo got hurt. That counts just the same, right?

[Tr1boy]

There is no point of discussing the past. The argument never stops.

The question was can Rondo excel in the Spurs system today and many don't think so but some people like Dos thinks he can. 

The more important thing is what is going to happen moving fwd. Ainge has to do a better job purifying the lineup to either make it work with Rondo or get rid of Rondo. It's as simple as a that imo

So draft scorers/shooters who excel off the ball (Mcdermott, Warren, Hairston), get a Center to bail out Rondo (Dieng, Asik) or trade Rondo, get a pg BS shape him the way he likes and just keep gathering/developing young players

[Celtics18]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVmgB-jw_U0

This is how i'am hoping the Celtics will play basketball next season.   It's like a puzzle to solve on the offensive end.  Make the simple pass first , so that that player can make the pass to the open man. Instead of making it an adventure, trying to mesmerize, pull guys towards you and having to make difficult passes.

Diaw is definitely has elite passing skills. Better than alot of pg's in this league

  Diaw's definitely a good passer. We should just get a team full of players like that and we'll be well on our way to playing like that.

  Just for fun, why don't you compare our team to their team, position by position, in terms of which players are better passers? I'll bet the only position where the Celts have an advantage is the only player you think we need to get rid of to get this offense.

nope. Bc KO, Sullinger, Jeff Green are good passers.  When Green plays with AB and Pressey, he gets to be a facilitator more and you can see he has skills.

With Rondo its more like , when i pass you the ball i expect you to get the bucket in

The issue is with Rondo's lack of trust.  It's not up to him to restrict who gets to make the next pass to the next player.  But he does that more often than not.  If this was not true you don't have situations where the next player expected to score gets the ball with less than 10 seconds left in the time clock to make something happen/score.

Again in 2012-2013 season when Rondo went down the overall ball movement was superior. Also gave the team energy to play good team D

Clearly the stat that best indicates overall ball movement is assists per game.  In 2012-2013, the team's overall assists per game, as expected, went down after Rondo went down.  I don't understand how you can keep making the claim that ball movement improved without Rondo in the face of reality and hard evidence. 

[Tr1boy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVmgB-jw_U0

This is how i'am hoping the Celtics will play basketball next season.   It's like a puzzle to solve on the offensive end.  Make the simple pass first , so that that player can make the pass to the open man. Instead of making it an adventure, trying to mesmerize, pull guys towards you and having to make difficult passes.

Diaw is definitely has elite passing skills. Better than alot of pg's in this league

  Diaw's definitely a good passer. We should just get a team full of players like that and we'll be well on our way to playing like that.

  Just for fun, why don't you compare our team to their team, position by position, in terms of which players are better passers? I'll bet the only position where the Celts have an advantage is the only player you think we need to get rid of to get this offense.

nope. Bc KO, Sullinger, Jeff Green are good passers.  When Green plays with AB and Pressey, he gets to be a facilitator more and you can see he has skills.

With Rondo its more like , when i pass you the ball i expect you to get the bucket in

The issue is with Rondo's lack of trust.  It's not up to him to restrict who gets to make the next pass to the next player.  But he does that more often than not.  If this was not true you don't have situations where the next player expected to score gets the ball with less than 10 seconds left in the time clock to make something happen/score.

Again in 2012-2013 season when Rondo went down the overall ball movement was superior. Also gave the team energy to play good team D

Clearly the stat that best indicates overall ball movement is assists per game.  In 2012-2013, the team's overall assists per game, as expected, went down after Rondo went down.  I don't understand how you can keep making the claim that ball movement improved without Rondo in the face of reality and hard evidence.

you can scrutinize the stats all you want, the ball was moving around better and we started playing above 500 ball.  The only key change that happened was that Rondo was not starting anymore

[Celtics18]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVmgB-jw_U0

This is how i'am hoping the Celtics will play basketball next season.   It's like a puzzle to solve on the offensive end.  Make the simple pass first , so that that player can make the pass to the open man. Instead of making it an adventure, trying to mesmerize, pull guys towards you and having to make difficult passes.

Diaw is definitely has elite passing skills. Better than alot of pg's in this league

  Diaw's definitely a good passer. We should just get a team full of players like that and we'll be well on our way to playing like that.

  Just for fun, why don't you compare our team to their team, position by position, in terms of which players are better passers? I'll bet the only position where the Celts have an advantage is the only player you think we need to get rid of to get this offense.

nope. Bc KO, Sullinger, Jeff Green are good passers.  When Green plays with AB and Pressey, he gets to be a facilitator more and you can see he has skills.

With Rondo its more like , when i pass you the ball i expect you to get the bucket in

The issue is with Rondo's lack of trust.  It's not up to him to restrict who gets to make the next pass to the next player.  But he does that more often than not.  If this was not true you don't have situations where the next player expected to score gets the ball with less than 10 seconds left in the time clock to make something happen/score.

Again in 2012-2013 season when Rondo went down the overall ball movement was superior. Also gave the team energy to play good team D

Clearly the stat that best indicates overall ball movement is assists per game.  In 2012-2013, the team's overall assists per game, as expected, went down after Rondo went down.  I don't understand how you can keep making the claim that ball movement improved without Rondo in the face of reality and hard evidence.

you can scrutinize the stats all you want, the ball was moving around better and we started playing above 500 ball.  The only key change that happened was that Rondo was not starting anymore

The ball moved fairly well for a couple of games.  It didn't last long, and by the time the playoffs came around, our lack of guards who could get in the lane and create, and even make simple entry passes consistently, was a glaring weakness for our team.

That team desperately, desperately missed Rondo, particularly by the time the playoffs rolled around.   

[Celtics4ever]

I look forward into getting guys to play in Brad's system instead of what we have now.   Of course, that may mean we sign Gordon Hayward from Utah.

you can scrutinize the stats all you want, the ball was moving around better and we started playing above 500 ball

Last year this was not true.    This lasted until teams got it scouted then it fizzled out.   Worked a week or two then BAM!  Teams knew how to defend it and it was not happening.  This is mind you after a losing streak of four starting the season. At no point did we win more than three games a season.  I think it had to more with Crawford being revitalized than ball movement.

http://www.nba.com/celtics/schedule

[Tr1boy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVmgB-jw_U0

This is how i'am hoping the Celtics will play basketball next season.   It's like a puzzle to solve on the offensive end.  Make the simple pass first , so that that player can make the pass to the open man. Instead of making it an adventure, trying to mesmerize, pull guys towards you and having to make difficult passes.

Diaw is definitely has elite passing skills. Better than alot of pg's in this league

  Diaw's definitely a good passer. We should just get a team full of players like that and we'll be well on our way to playing like that.

  Just for fun, why don't you compare our team to their team, position by position, in terms of which players are better passers? I'll bet the only position where the Celts have an advantage is the only player you think we need to get rid of to get this offense.

nope. Bc KO, Sullinger, Jeff Green are good passers.  When Green plays with AB and Pressey, he gets to be a facilitator more and you can see he has skills.

With Rondo its more like , when i pass you the ball i expect you to get the bucket in

The issue is with Rondo's lack of trust.  It's not up to him to restrict who gets to make the next pass to the next player.  But he does that more often than not.  If this was not true you don't have situations where the next player expected to score gets the ball with less than 10 seconds left in the time clock to make something happen/score.

Again in 2012-2013 season when Rondo went down the overall ball movement was superior. Also gave the team energy to play good team D

Clearly the stat that best indicates overall ball movement is assists per game.  In 2012-2013, the team's overall assists per game, as expected, went down after Rondo went down.  I don't understand how you can keep making the claim that ball movement improved without Rondo in the face of reality and hard evidence.

you can scrutinize the stats all you want, the ball was moving around better and we started playing above 500 ball.  The only key change that happened was that Rondo was not starting anymore

The ball moved fairly well for a couple of games.  It didn't last long, and by the time the playoffs came around, our lack of guards who could get in the lane and create, and even make simple entry passes consistently, was a glaring weakness for our team.

That team desperately, desperately missed Rondo, particularly by the time the playoffs rolled around.

I disagree. We lost bc the team lost Sullinger and Barbosa. Barbosa was a big loss. 

Without Rondo, Barbosa got more playing time. And he did great. Very productive at times played more than Lee or AB and finished games.

[footey]

Again, you guys have to get off last year. We were not going to make the play-offs, and the mindset was to lose games; not consciously, but unconsciously.  Let's see how we play starting next season. 

[footey]

you know Tony Parker is a better scorer than Rondo right??  He usually makes his layups, even pretty difficult ones.   He has a better floater. Basically a better touch around the rim

He is also an underrated defender.

Rondo had great touch around the rim until last season. Toss that out the window.  I am not alone in speculating that a lot of those misses were "unintentionally intentional."  Rondo was playing for next season too, you know.

[BballTim]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVmgB-jw_U0

This is how i'am hoping the Celtics will play basketball next season.   It's like a puzzle to solve on the offensive end.  Make the simple pass first , so that that player can make the pass to the open man. Instead of making it an adventure, trying to mesmerize, pull guys towards you and having to make difficult passes.

Diaw is definitely has elite passing skills. Better than alot of pg's in this league

  Diaw's definitely a good passer. We should just get a team full of players like that and we'll be well on our way to playing like that.

  Just for fun, why don't you compare our team to their team, position by position, in terms of which players are better passers? I'll bet the only position where the Celts have an advantage is the only player you think we need to get rid of to get this offense.

nope. Bc KO, Sullinger, Jeff Green are good passers.  When Green plays with AB and Pressey, he gets to be a facilitator more and you can see he has skills.

With Rondo its more like , when i pass you the ball i expect you to get the bucket in

The issue is with Rondo's lack of trust.  It's not up to him to restrict who gets to make the next pass to the next player.  But he does that more often than not.  If this was not true you don't have situations where the next player expected to score gets the ball with less than 10 seconds left in the time clock to make something happen/score.

Again in 2012-2013 season when Rondo went down the overall ball movement was superior. Also gave the team energy to play good team D

Clearly the stat that best indicates overall ball movement is assists per game.  In 2012-2013, the team's overall assists per game, as expected, went down after Rondo went down.  I don't understand how you can keep making the claim that ball movement improved without Rondo in the face of reality and hard evidence.

you can scrutinize the stats all you want, the ball was moving around better and we started playing above 500 ball.  The only key change that happened was that Rondo was not starting anymore

  Other key things happened. Bradley returned from missing the first half of the season. PP got better from an injury that hampered him for a month or two. Jeff Green's play picked up considerably as the season went on after he returned from heart surgery. The defense went from being a bottom 10 defense to a top 5 defense as the season went on. Either don't understand why those might be key changes or you didn't follow the team closely enough to notice them. Although you're hardly alone in that regard.

[Roy H.]

Yes, he could play in it.  In fact, he played in a similar system in the early "big three" era, where he was the primary ball-handler, but everyone touched the ball a lot more.  Rondo's role increased over time, to the point where he became ball-dominant.  However, it wasn't always that way.

I don't think he'd be as effective as Parker with the Spurs, though.  Rondo is inferior at scoring, penetration, shooting, and FT shooting.  Rondo is probably a better / more creative passer, but I think Parker is probably better (if for no reason other than familiarity) in terms of initiating the Spurs' offense / making quick passes that don't always immediately lead to open shots, but that do facilitate the offense for others.