Chad Ford Mock 7.0 today Gordon and Porzingis

[NorthernLightning]

Defense for one as opposed to shooting.


Agreed. 

I guess that's why McDermott and Stauskas are competing for the 5th pick. At least we'll get one of them.

[footey]

For those who are dismissing NL, my observation of most of you is that you spend 99% of your posts criticizing those like him who spend the time to research and then take a position.  Remind me of Archie Bunker.  You sit on your favorite chair and just criticize others, but contribute so little on the constructive end.  It's easy to criticize. Why don't you offer alternatives.  If Gordon such an awful choice at 6, who is better, and why?  Most of you don't take a position on that. Why?  And "well, I'd trade the pick because they all suck" is a cop out.

[colincb]

Defense for one as opposed to shooting.


Agreed. 

I guess that's why McDermott and Stauskas are competing for the 5th pick. At least we'll get one of them.

No he's just saying that hard work will fix defense faster than shooting ills. Do you disagree?

[perks-a-beast]

I've come around on the Celtics picking Gordon. Sure, we desperately need scoring, but Gordon's defense is just too good to pass up. The last wing defender to come out of college that was this good was Kidd-Gilchrist, and I think Gordon's ceiling is a lot higher.

[NorthernLightning]

Defense for one as opposed to shooting.


Agreed. 

I guess that's why McDermott and Stauskas are competing for the 5th pick. At least we'll get one of them.

No he's just saying that hard work will fix defense faster than shooting ills. Do you disagree?

Are you aware of genetics and athletic limitations?

[kozlodoev]

For those who are dismissing NL, my observation of most of you is that you spend 99% of your posts criticizing those like him who spend the time to research and then take a position.  Remind me of Archie Bunker.  You sit on your favorite chair and just criticize others, but contribute so little on the constructive end.  It's easy to criticize. Why don't you offer alternatives.  If Gordon such an awful choice at 6, who is better, and why?  Most of you don't take a position on that. Why?  And "well, I'd trade the pick because they all suck" is a cop out.

NL is a curious case. He insists that you can't judge a player by a scouting video, then insists to shower everyone with Youtube highlight reels.

Shockingly enough, the general SB fanbase does not consist of idiots. Most posters are fairly informed and spend a good amount of time and effort forming an opinion. At least the old dogs that have been around here for a bit do -- and some of them have stuck around for more than a decade, give or take.

I'm not particularly shocked that a newcomer who appears to pack a "holier-than-thou" attitude and brings little to the discussion other than videos that are available in the public domain for everyone to see will find himself the object of relentless ridicule. Sure, it may not be the nicest thing to do, but the way the discourse has gone over the last several days I don't think anyone can say they didn't see it coming.

[NorthernLightning]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0qbfVatie4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rw3RBVBnCVI

[greg683x]

For those who are dismissing NL, my observation of most of you is that you spend 99% of your posts criticizing those like him who spend the time to research and then take a position.  Remind me of Archie Bunker.  You sit on your favorite chair and just criticize others, but contribute so little on the constructive end.  It's easy to criticize. Why don't you offer alternatives.  If Gordon such an awful choice at 6, who is better, and why?  Most of you don't take a position on that. Why?  And "well, I'd trade the pick because they all suck" is a cop out.

NL is a curious case. He insists that you can't judge a player by a scouting video, then insists to shower everyone with Youtube highlight reels.

Shockingly enough, the general SB fanbase does not consist of idiots. Most posters are fairly informed and spend a good amount of time and effort forming an opinion. At least the old dogs that have been around here for a bit do -- and some of them have stuck around for more than a decade, give or take.

I'm not particularly shocked that a newcomer who appears to pack a "holier-than-thou" attitude and brings little to the discussion other than videos that are available in the public domain for everyone to see will find himself the object of relentless ridicule. Sure, it may not be the nicest thing to do, but the way the discourse has gone over the last several days I don't think anyone can say they didn't see it coming.

[colincb]

Defense for one as opposed to shooting.


Agreed. 

I guess that's why McDermott and Stauskas are competing for the 5th pick. At least we'll get one of them.

No he's just saying that hard work will fix defense faster than shooting ills. Do you disagree?

Are you aware of genetics and athletic limitations?

Sure. Bayesian probability too.

Do you disagree that a lack of defense can be fixed faster by hard work than a lack of shooting given your knowlege of basketball?

[NorthernLightning]

For those who are dismissing NL, my observation of most of you is that you spend 99% of your posts criticizing those like him who spend the time to research and then take a position.  Remind me of Archie Bunker.  You sit on your favorite chair and just criticize others, but contribute so little on the constructive end.  It's easy to criticize. Why don't you offer alternatives.  If Gordon such an awful choice at 6, who is better, and why?  Most of you don't take a position on that. Why?  And "well, I'd trade the pick because they all suck" is a cop out.

NL is a curious case. He insists that you can't judge a player by a scouting video, then insists to shower everyone with Youtube highlight reels.

Shockingly enough, the general SB fanbase does not consist of idiots. Most posters are fairly informed and spend a good amount of time and effort forming an opinion. At least the old dogs that have been around here for a bit do -- and some of them have stuck around for more than a decade, give or take.

I'm not particularly shocked that a newcomer who appears to pack a "holier-than-thou" attitude and brings little to the discussion other than videos that are available in the public domain for everyone to see will find himself the object of relentless ridicule. Sure, it may not be the nicest thing to do, but the way the discourse has gone over the last several days I don't think anyone can say they didn't see it coming.

On lottery night I posted a bunch of full games for a bunch of potential Celtics picks, but it didn't get much attention so I figured I'd post shorter clips. I've done my research and thought long and hard about most all of these guys. You pretend that this site is full of draft junkies, but all the choir says is that everybody stinks and we need to trade the pick since we didn't get a top 3 pick. I can hear that anywhere. Over and over again.

Full Game Video of Potential Celtics http://forums.celticsblog.com/index.php?topic=71013.0

[NorthernLightning]

Sure. Bayesian probability too.

Do you disagree that a lack of defense can be fixed faster by hard work than a lack of shooting given your knowlege of basketball?

If an out of shape average Joe started training, yes the out of shape average Joe would make faster progress on his fitness and defense than his shooting.

I don't know if you've looked at starting NBA small forwards or not, but they are not average Joes and tend to be elite athletes. Otherwise McDermott would be a top 5 pick easy, if his defensive potential wasn't severely limited by his genetics.

I'm sorry to be the one to have to tell you of these facts of nature and physics, especially since you are likely to not believe me.

[colincb]

We can agree that the NBA is full of elite athletes. Given that premise:

Do you agree or disagree with the statement that a lack of defense can be fixed faster by hard work than a lack of shooting?

[CM0]

We can agree that the NBA is full of elite athletes. Given that premise:

Do you agree or disagree with the statement that a lack of defense can be fixed faster by hard work than a lack of shooting?

Team defense, yes. Individual/on-ball defense, not necessarily. I do think that a guy like Saric or McDermott could work to be a sufficient on-ball defender, and one could argue that both are already very good team defenders. Similarly, I think Gordon's shot will improve, if only because he seems to have the intangible qualities and dedication for the challenge.  Gordon has both incredible defensive fundamentals and rare athleticism. He is very likely to become an elite, perennial all-NBA defender.

[kozlodoev]

I've done my research and thought long and hard about most all of these guys. You pretend that this site is full of draft junkies, but all the choir says is that everybody stinks and we need to trade the pick since we didn't get a top 3 pick.

In other words, you act as if no-one else has thought long and hard, and if someone wants us to trade our pick, they don't have a clue about the draft. In case you missed it, that's precisely the "holier-than-though" attitude I was talking about.

[NorthernLightning]

We can agree that the NBA is full of elite athletes. Given that premise:

Do you agree or disagree with the statement that a lack of defense can be fixed faster by hard work than a lack of shooting?

Like I said, you don't even understand. You can't turn a Doug McDermott into Scottie Pippen, on any timeline. He'll be lucky to even be a slightly below average defender with all the work in the world, and I say that as a big McDermott fan.

But Gordon has a very real chance of being a dominant defender like a bigger and stronger Scottie Pippen, another guy who wasn't known for his jump shot percentages.

If you want to pretend that poor athletes can become good defenders outside of perhaps the center position, there's nothing I can say to change your mind.

You can't "fix" lack of athleticism/poor defense, quickly or otherwise. You can however improve jump shooting quite a bit, especially with hard work. And nobody except perhaps the resident geniuses here doubts Aaron Gordon's work ethic.

You guys keep digging a deeper hole for yourselves.