Is Kevin Love Overrated.

[Gari]

At most I would only give them three first round picks including this year's #6 plus Sully. Four first round picks+sully is a bit too costly, I'd rather substitute two future second round picks for the fourth first pick. In all seriousness, I really do think three is more than enough to outplay other teams' offers. We have a #6 pick included, which worth a lot more than Chicago or Houston's mid range picks.
Kevin Love is not overrated, I think he's an bona-fide star that's still rising since he's improving every year and he's just 25 years old. If we can lock him into a 5-year contract, we're sure contender for years in the east if we can convince rondo to stay and look to add another borderline star player to the roster.
His passing skills are underrated in my opinion. If we can't entice melo coming here after a trade for K love, I wouldn't mind seeing Love keep throwing fast-break outlet passes to Green like Brewer last season (and I believe Green will do an even better job).

[Sketch5]

DA is smart, he knows he'll need an other player to make a contender, he wont trade all our assets for one player.

Would you accept using half of the Celtics' tradeable assets to get Love and a defensive center?

i'm not using the Brooklyn picks for either. everything else for Love and a defensive center? Absolutely!

if I'm Danny, before I make an offer and start negotiations with anyone. the first thing I say is "the Brooklyn picks are pretty much untouchable".

For Love I'd go with the 6th, Sully,filler, and an other 1st round, and maybe a second. More because Minni wont want to feel hosed. I might even see about S&T AB and bringing in Martin, which I don't like for D, but they add Deing.

We could use the TE for either Asik or Sanders. I'd prefer Gortat, not sure how to get him though.

I'm a little cautious right now about thinking how valuable the Nets picks are going to be. The Nets have shown they will spend a lot of money on their players. I'm worried about Lebron and or Bosh heading to them this season or next. KD in 2016 if he wants out of OKC after not winning.

So the Nets picks are completely up in the air if they are going to be good or not. If Lebron leaves this season and heads back to Cleveland, or heads to Miami, I'd feel a bit more confident that the picks will be good. So I can't say no way to trading them I'd all depends on the play. I'd be fine with giving up the 2018 one in a deal. Now if those picks were from Minni,Orlando,Milwaukee, no way I'd give those up with out getting a franchise all-star life changing player. Those will all be top 5 picks!

[slamtheking]

no he is not overrated but some of the suggested packages for him are simply outrageous.

this.

He's one of the best players in the league without question.  the questionable part is that some people want to mortgage the farm for a single player that won't be nearly enough to make us a contender.  we'd have enough difficulty winning the division with adding him, never mind the conference in the playoffs

[hpantazo]

no he is not overrated but some of the suggested packages for him are simply outrageous.

this.

He's one of the best players in the league without question.  the questionable part is that some people want to mortgage the farm for a single player that won't be nearly enough to make us a contender.  we'd have enough difficulty winning the division with adding him, never mind the conference in the playoffs

Bill Simmons ludicrous celtics trade proposal for Love is what fueled all of these ridiculous offers imo. Love is not overrated, but the rumored packages by the media are more than what Melo or Dwight Howard got in recent trades. Just insane. The TWolves are not going to get that type of return.

[Snakehead]

no he is not overrated but some of the suggested packages for him are simply outrageous.

this.

He's one of the best players in the league without question.  the questionable part is that some people want to mortgage the farm for a single player that won't be nearly enough to make us a contender.  we'd have enough difficulty winning the division with adding him, never mind the conference in the playoffs

Bill Simmons ludicrous celtics trade proposal for Love is what fueled all of these ridiculous offers imo. Love is not overrated, but the rumored packages by the media are more than what Melo or Dwight Howard got in recent trades. Just insane. The TWolves are not going to get that type of return.

Especially when Love isn't going to extend right away.  It'll be some kind of handshake deal.

Anyways, I did find Simmons deal too high.  I think a package of Sullinger and 3 firsts, and cap related bits seemed plenty fair to me anyways.  He is going to leave.  That's a good return.

I personally would be disappointed if both Sullinger and Olynyk are in the trade.  I get Sully becoming redundant (even though I am a big fan) but Olynyk still has a lot of potential and would be a great player to have with Love.

[bruinsandceltics]

Wait you are telling me that the price is high for a bonafide star? Who would have guessed it?

[KGs Knee]

I agree with those saying no more than 3 1st round picks for Love.  That is where I would draw the line in the sand.  This year's #6, 2015 Clippers pick and 2018 Brooklyn pick would be my offer.

We would then still have enough tradeable picks to go after a 2nd star.  A package of the 2014 #17 (via Atlanta-Brooklyn),  2016 Brooklyn pick and our own 2017 1st rd pick (right to swap with Brooklyn) should be enough to get a 2nd star.

These trades would still leave the Celtics with a 1st round pick (all their own) in 2015, 2016 & 2018, as well as the possibility we could still receive a 1st from Philly (unlikely).

[Mr October]

Underrated by people who think that he isn't good enough to be a potential MVP.

This is where he is overrated. I don't see Love ever winning an MVP. His lack of defense will always hold him back. And on the other end his offense isn't sensationally unstoppable. On the MVP board there is a hard line after James and Durant.

I think Love belongs in the mix of the next 10-15 players with a claim at an All NBA nod. I cant  definitively tell you he is better or worse than Lamarcus Aldridge, Chris Paul, Tony Parker, Marc Gasol, etc.

[KGs Knee]

Underrated by people who think that he isn't good enough to be a potential MVP.

This is where he is overrated. I don't see Love ever winning an MVP.

Yeah, I don't think I can see Love ever winning an MVP.

As long as LeBron, Durant, and (maybe) Anthony Davis are in the league and in their primes, I have a hard time seeing anyone winning an MVP other than those 3 players.

But that shouldn't be a knock against Love.  Those are once in a generation type players we're talking about.  Plenty of other HOF players have never won a MVP.

[thedawg]

 Hey, I Love the kid and would love to have him. But four first round picks , and a combination of Green, Sullinger, and Kelly O. That's what I call overrating a player. I'll keep the assets and hope he signs here for that price.

I wouldnt miss Kelly O or Sullinger if we acquire Love but this year's and the future picks will be missed. In fact, why parting with most of the picks when they are the cornerstone of our 3-4 yrs rebuilding effort we have started?

I would be more willing to part with two of those 1st round future picks + expiring contract(s)/player(s) combination to get another top 8 pick in the draft. Getting Two of the top 8 prospects in the 2014 draft is much more appealing than overpaying for Love. Gordon and Smart would be tremendous energy combo for us.

Just dreaming now......

[Tr1boy]

Underrated by people who think that he isn't good enough to be a potential MVP.

This is where he is overrated. I don't see Love ever winning an MVP. His lack of defense will always hold him back. And on the other end his offense isn't sensationally unstoppable. On the MVP board there is a hard line after James and Durant.

I think Love belongs in the mix of the next 10-15 players with a claim at an All NBA nod. I cant  definitively tell you he is better or worse than Lamarcus Aldridge, Chris Paul, Tony Parker, Marc Gasol, etc.

i agree. And does a pf that has shot at around 44 fg percent for his career  considered great in this league??

The guy is a mad chucker some games

[hpantazo]

 Hey, I Love the kid and would love to have him. But four first round picks , and a combination of Green, Sullinger, and Kelly O. That's what I call overrating a player. I'll keep the assets and hope he signs here for that price.

I wouldnt miss Kelly O or Sullinger if we acquire Love but this year's and the future picks will be missed. In fact, why parting with most of the picks when they are the cornerstone of our 3-4 yrs rebuilding effort we have started?

I would be more willing to part with two of those 1st round future picks + expiring contract(s)/player(s) combination to get another top 8 pick in the draft. Getting Two of the top 8 prospects in the 2014 draft is much more appealing than overpaying for Love. Gordon and Smart would be tremendous energy combo for us.

Just dreaming now......

Who's to say that Gordon and Smart amount to anything in the NBA? We already know what Love can do in the NBA. I'm sure Ainge collected these picks to use for trades such as this, not to draft a bunch of young players and try to build with them.

If we had won the lottery and gotten a top 3 pick, things would be different imo. Then we would have been more likely to trade Rondo for another 2014 lottery pick and build around Embiid, Parker, or Wiggins, but that didn't happen.

To win in this league, you need superstars. We missed out on the 3 potential superstars, so it makes sense to use our assets to try to acquire one in a trade.

[playdream]

 Hey, I Love the kid and would love to have him. But four first round picks , and a combination of Green, Sullinger, and Kelly O. That's what I call overrating a player. I'll keep the assets and hope he signs here for that price.

I wouldnt miss Kelly O or Sullinger if we acquire Love but this year's and the future picks will be missed. In fact, why parting with most of the picks when they are the cornerstone of our 3-4 yrs rebuilding effort we have started?

I would be more willing to part with two of those 1st round future picks + expiring contract(s)/player(s) combination to get another top 8 pick in the draft. Getting Two of the top 8 prospects in the 2014 draft is much more appealing than overpaying for Love. Gordon and Smart would be tremendous energy combo for us.

Just dreaming now......

Who's to say that Gordon and Smart amount to anything in the NBA? We already know what Love can do in the NBA. I'm sure Ainge collected these picks to use for trades such as this, not to draft a bunch of young players and try to build with them.

If we had won the lottery and gotten a top 3 pick, things would be different imo. Then we would have been more likely to trade Rondo for another 2014 lottery pick and build around Embiid, Parker, or Wiggins, but that didn't happen.

To win in this league, you need superstars. We missed out on the 3 potential superstars, so it makes sense to use our assets to try to acquire one in a trade.

we already know Love can't do anything to help his team to the playoffs
he is not KG,  not a winner, not to mention a superstar

[thedawg]

 Hey, I Love the kid and would love to have him. But four first round picks , and a combination of Green, Sullinger, and Kelly O. That's what I call overrating a player. I'll keep the assets and hope he signs here for that price.

I wouldnt miss Kelly O or Sullinger if we acquire Love but this year's and the future picks will be missed. In fact, why parting with most of the picks when they are the cornerstone of our 3-4 yrs rebuilding effort we have started?

I would be more willing to part with two of those 1st round future picks + expiring contract(s)/player(s) combination to get another top 8 pick in the draft. Getting Two of the top 8 prospects in the 2014 draft is much more appealing than overpaying for Love. Gordon and Smart would be tremendous energy combo for us.

Just dreaming now......

Who's to say that Gordon and Smart amount to anything in the NBA? We already know what Love can do in the NBA. I'm sure Ainge collected these picks to use for trades such as this, not to draft a bunch of young players and try to build with them.

If we had won the lottery and gotten a top 3 pick, things would be different imo. Then we would have been more likely to trade Rondo for another 2014 lottery pick and build around Embiid, Parker, or Wiggins, but that didn't happen.

To win in this league, you need superstars. We missed out on the 3 potential superstars, so it makes sense to use our assets to try to acquire one in a trade.

Fair point and duly noted. The key words to describe the top three picks this year are "Potential Superstars" and the only way to get those today on the cheap is to keep our 1st round picks. We are talking 8 or 9 first round picks next five years.

I know the Bulls managed to win many rings with Jordan-Pippen combination and with great fillers to fill up the important roles on the team. I just cannot see Rondo-Love combination doing the same unless we managed to get another bigtime player in (Melo being mentioned) but we need to move bad contracts (Wallace and Green = 20m per year) for that to happen.

Besides, K-Love can be had next year when his contract is up.

[LarBrd33]

Safe to say there isn't a single person aren't many people on this forum who have watched love play more than a handful of games per year. I'd say 2 max for most cb posters... And they weren't really paying attention to Love during the game.

So you have two factions here.

#1 - Celtic fans who have heard love is a poor defender and thus call him overrated

#2 - Celtic fans who see Love is statistically a top 3 player and thus call him underrated.

Doubtful anyone here actually has first hand knowledge of kevin loves game.   I'm including myself, of course. I never watch the wolves.