Dieng, Muhammad and 13th pick for Rondo trade idea: 2015-2016 playoff bound

[djsway104]

Having a team built mostly on hopes and "ifs," rather than keeping and going after established stars is the quickest way to mediocrity.

[Tr1boy]

Team full of role players. I'm not looking forward to multiple years of 1st and 2nd round exits.

sure role players can pull in 21 rebounds (even one game in a season) or score 20 points three games in a row. 

How do you know Smart will be a role player??

Your entitled to your opinion but seriously not sure how your burying most of these players to be role players when they haven't had a chance to show their stuff (and we have seen glimpse of what they are capable of)

Are you being sarcastic? Dieng only came out at the late half of the season, there's no telling what he can be next season. I like Smart, but there is a chance that he will be a role player. Why risk assets on them when you can focus on the finished product like Rondo?

be honest this is the same thing you said about Rondo when he first came into the league.  And then what happened after?   

You can 't say all rookies or younger prospect are in line to become a role player or mediocre players. Most are not consistent and are adj to the nba pace

I've never said that they are in line to be a role player, I'm just saying they have a chance to be one or they be out of the league. Dieng has a limited ceiling due to his age and Smart may be more of a tweener than a combo guard. Rondo right now is an All Star and you don't trade All Star players for player who may be riding a hot streak and a pick that's not even in the top ten.

How is 13 + rebounds a game for a stretch limited ceiling?? How is providing excellent rim protection and 2 blocks a game limited ceiling?? Do you want him to also score 25 ppg?

come on man. If he can keep it up/keep consistent he will be near Anthony Davis level/production defensively

Smart and Brown were good for OK st and then , the end. Smart had to do alot of stuff for the frontcourt guys the team was only mediocre. His defense even for a rookie next year will be better than most nba vets.  His ability to bulldoze to the net, post up will be a unique weapon

I'm not stating these guys are shoe in future All Stars but i doubt that they will fail or only become role players. With Brad Stevens as their coach, i can't see them failing.

[Celtics18]

If all goes well, that team could possibly be a contender by 2022.

[Rondo9]

Team full of role players. I'm not looking forward to multiple years of 1st and 2nd round exits.

sure role players can pull in 21 rebounds (even one game in a season) or score 20 points three games in a row. 

How do you know Smart will be a role player??

Your entitled to your opinion but seriously not sure how your burying most of these players to be role players when they haven't had a chance to show their stuff (and we have seen glimpse of what they are capable of)

Are you being sarcastic? Dieng only came out at the late half of the season, there's no telling what he can be next season. I like Smart, but there is a chance that he will be a role player. Why risk assets on them when you can focus on the finished product like Rondo?

be honest this is the same thing you said about Rondo when he first came into the league.  And then what happened after?   

You can 't say all rookies or younger prospect are in line to become a role player or mediocre players. Most are not consistent and are adj to the nba pace

I've never said that they are in line to be a role player, I'm just saying they have a chance to be one or they be out of the league. Dieng has a limited ceiling due to his age and Smart may be more of a tweener than a combo guard. Rondo right now is an All Star and you don't trade All Star players for player who may be riding a hot streak and a pick that's not even in the top ten.

How is 13 + rebounds a game for a stretch limited ceiling?? How is providing excellent rim protection and 2 blocks a game limited ceiling?? Do you want him to also score 25 ppg?

come on man. If he can keep it up/keep consistent he will be near Anthony Davis level/production defensively

Smart and Brown were good for OK st and then , the end. Smart had to do alot of stuff for the frontcourt guys the team was only mediocre. His defense even for a rookie next year will be better than most nba vets.  His ability to bulldoze to the net, post up will be a unique weapon

I'm not stating these guys are shoe in future All Stars but i doubt that they will fail or only become role players. With Brad Stevens as their coach, i can't see them failing.

Well considering that you said if Dieng keeps up that high level production, he'll reach Anthony Davis levels, It sounds like you are shoehorning him as an All Star. There is a big possibility that it was the result of a hot streak that took place late in the season. Smart may struggle in his rookie season due to his high turnover rate and lack of jumpshot. I much rather keep Rondo, If all you're getting is Dieng.

[Celtics18]

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[BballTim]

Team full of role players. I'm not looking forward to multiple years of 1st and 2nd round exits.

sure role players can pull in 21 rebounds (even one game in a season) or score 20 points three games in a row. 

How do you know Smart will be a role player??

Your entitled to your opinion but seriously not sure how your burying most of these players to be role players when they haven't had a chance to show their stuff (and we have seen glimpse of what they are capable of)

  Probably the same way you're projecting the team to make the playoffs when you don't know whether any single player will be better than average and (worse) have no idea why players that young won't win in the nba. That team might be ok or just as likely look like the 2007 Celts when PP was injured.

[IlCapitano]

I swear of God I didn't even have to look at the name of original poster, I knew who it was as soon as I read the title.

You're really trying to make this team mediocre, aren't you?

Dieng had a good stretch at the end of the season? Well, Rondo had a stretch right after he came back shooting free-throws over 80%, is he a good FT shooter suddenly?

I admire your ability to fantasize that team would even sniff the playoffs in the next 5-6 years, let alone 2. And that is if all of those youngsters exceed their expectations.

And tell me, why would MIN do that when they have Rubio? Why would Rondo stay there when he obviously has no intention of playing in a market anywhere smaller than Boston? Why would Love stay there when his relationship with the ownership and possibly fans is irreparable?

[GreenFaith1819]

I actually like this Dieng fellow.....maybe we can pry him away from Minny along with Love and KMart..

Wait - the OP doesn't really care for Love...so I guess that kills that idea

Trading Rondo will probably get DA in Wyc and Pag's Doghouse.

[Birdman]

That starting lineup be lucky to win 15 games

[MBunge]

Team full of role players. I'm not looking forward to multiple years of 1st and 2nd round exits.

sure role players can pull in 21 rebounds (even one game in a season) or score 20 points three games in a row. 

How do you know Smart will be a role player??

Your entitled to your opinion but seriously not sure how your burying most of these players to be role players when they haven't had a chance to show their stuff (and we have seen glimpse of what they are capable of)

Are you being sarcastic? Dieng only came out at the late half of the season, there's no telling what he can be next season. I like Smart, but there is a chance that he will be a role player. Why risk assets on them when you can focus on the finished product like Rondo?

be honest this is the same thing you said about Rondo when he first came into the league.  And then what happened after?   

You can 't say all rookies or younger prospect are in line to become a role player or mediocre players. Most are not consistent and are adj to the nba pace

I've never said that they are in line to be a role player, I'm just saying they have a chance to be one or they be out of the league. Dieng has a limited ceiling due to his age and Smart may be more of a tweener than a combo guard. Rondo right now is an All Star and you don't trade All Star players for player who may be riding a hot streak and a pick that's not even in the top ten.

How is 13 + rebounds a game for a stretch limited ceiling??

I looked it up.  Deng had about 9 games last season where he got over 10 rebounds.  As a rookie, Eric Montross had about 20 such games.

I just don't know had to argue with someone who gets more excited by Deng than Love.

Mike

[cltc5]

I like it but you know...OMGZ ROndo is das best point guard evr not worth 5 number ones!

[gpap]

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[slamtheking]

Draft night
trade 13th and 17th picks to Utah for 5th and 35th picks
5th pick = Smart
35th pick = Hairston
6th pick = Gordon

Lineup

C - Dieng - He was pulling down 13 + rebounds, blocking 2-3 shots and scoring 10 plus points a game late in the year.  He is also a smart player, has good passing skills , can make 15-17ft jump shots and has exceptional length to get in tip ins Anthony Davis style. He looked 5-7 pounds bigger last season and with another 5-7 could be a really good center in this league. Maybe not skill wise but everything else including multiple monster 15 plus rebound and 3 plus block games.  This is the rim protector we've been looking for

PF - KO - He was scoring 20 plus points filling in for Sullinger. So too skilled +7" height  not be an above avg starter in this the nba. He is going to come in better shape, stronger and i'm sure we will see more tricks we haven't before.  Danny was wrong and he won't only be a complimentary player for us

SF - Aaron Gordon -  Explosive SF that has a high iq, great defender and does alot of things to give your team a chance to win. He is already about 225 and can top out at 240 without losing his explosiveness. Imagine a 240 pound AA in a few years. 

SG - Jeff Green - Not a natural SG but can play the position.   He hasn't really succeeded as a SF in this league (poor rebounder, lack of a consistent post game) and might have a better luck at the SG spot. He would have size adv on a nightly basis

PG - Smart -  A human Bowling ball. He will attack you, can finish through contact and in time should become a better shooter/less turnover prone. Great defender and operator from the post.  Imagine a scrawny MCW or a much smaller Chris Paul trying to contain him from getting near the post??

Bench depth

Sullinger
Bass
Muhammad
Hairston
Pressey
Iverson/Faverani
FA sign


Minny does this trade to try to please Love. That Rondo can help the team make at least 8th in the west then go from there.  The team can give up Dieng bc they already have a starting center.  For the Celts this would be imo a right direction to make the current rebuild stop being a rebuild as soon and painless as possible. Maybe next season we don't make the  playoffs but i bet we do the season after and only keep getting better.  This would be a very strong defensive lineup, athletic, skilled with strong bench depth. 

no, just no.

at least you're consistant in your obsession with draft picks and young, unproven project players over proven talent.  I'll give you that.  not sure why you always want this team to be in a constant rebuilding mode.

[KGs Knee]

I just don't know had to argue with someone who gets more excited by Deng than Love.

Mike

First, I'm assuming you mean Dieng, not Deng.  Big difference there.

Second, you don't.  You just ignore it and move on.  Refer to Jay Z.

[Tr1boy]

Team full of role players. I'm not looking forward to multiple years of 1st and 2nd round exits.

sure role players can pull in 21 rebounds (even one game in a season) or score 20 points three games in a row. 

How do you know Smart will be a role player??

Your entitled to your opinion but seriously not sure how your burying most of these players to be role players when they haven't had a chance to show their stuff (and we have seen glimpse of what they are capable of)

Are you being sarcastic? Dieng only came out at the late half of the season, there's no telling what he can be next season. I like Smart, but there is a chance that he will be a role player. Why risk assets on them when you can focus on the finished product like Rondo?

be honest this is the same thing you said about Rondo when he first came into the league.  And then what happened after?   

You can 't say all rookies or younger prospect are in line to become a role player or mediocre players. Most are not consistent and are adj to the nba pace

I've never said that they are in line to be a role player, I'm just saying they have a chance to be one or they be out of the league. Dieng has a limited ceiling due to his age and Smart may be more of a tweener than a combo guard. Rondo right now is an All Star and you don't trade All Star players for player who may be riding a hot streak and a pick that's not even in the top ten.

How is 13 + rebounds a game for a stretch limited ceiling??

I looked it up.  Deng had about 9 games last season where he got over 10 rebounds.  As a rookie, Eric Montross had about 20 such games.

I just don't know had to argue with someone who gets more excited by Deng than Love.

Mike

How many games did montross start/play min vs dieng last season?

Dieng barely played in comparison

Dieng is a much better athlete vs montross also