How much is too much for KLove

[slamtheking]

here's the offer I've proposed in the multitude of threads on this:
1.  Sully or KO (I'd prefer to send Sully only because I think KO offers a better fit with Love)
2. #6
3.  one of the following:
  a. AB in a S&T
  b. #17 this year
  c. the lesser of the C's/Clips picks next year (post lottery) or the lesser of the C's/Nets picks in 2016. 
4. Non-guaranteed contracts as salary filler.

Love is not KG.  I'm not paying a KG-level price.  Sully and the #6 would be 2 starters for them.  if taking AB, he'd be a fine backup behind Martin.  otherwise, the #17 would also turn out to be a 6/7th man for that roster. 

I don't see a better offer by someone else out there unless they're going to mortgage the farm for Love.  This team will need more than Love to get to contender status and will need as many assets as possible to bring in another big-time player

Okay.  I will be Minny. 

I don't want KO or Sully.  In fact, no player on your roster really interests me as a player. 

So you will need to add more picks; #6 and #17 at minimum.  And I will take the higher of your pick and the Clips pick next year.  And please send us all of your expiring contracts as well. 

And give me the Nets pick of your choice.

Am I crazy?  I don't think so.

So what do you say?

I'd say:

Sully
Green
#6 overall
2016 Nets Unprotected First Rounder

Easily the best package you'll be offered.  So take it or let him walk.

I will repeat; I am not interested in any of your players.  Sully and KO are role players that serve no purpose right now.  No interest in Green either.

So basically, you will need to package around picks and expirings.  That's the deal.

& you think you have leverage because ?

You'll take the best deal.  By far, the best deal is:

Sully
Green
#6 overall
2016 Nets Unprotected First Rounder

No other team can come remotely close to that deal.

That's fine.  Keep you Sully and Green and kick in #17 and I will consider.

Oh wait, Houston on the other line and willing to trade Asik, Parsons and a #1. 

Hmm?

3 firsts, one of which is #6 in a stacked draft, and #17 in same draft and an unprotected from a Nets team that's likely to be a lottery team in 2016?  you'd still have to take salary to match Love's deal. 

no intention of sending out Green--need a quality SF to go with Love and Rondo. not sure if I'd swap out an unprotected instead of Sully.  probably put a top 5 protection on it.

as for Asik, parson and a late 1st.  if that's appealing to you instead, go for it.  you already have Pekovic and Parson will be paid more than Green for about the same production.  that first from Houston will be very late in the draft.  you'd be fired as GM of Minny if you took that deal instead.  that's assuming the C's didn't send Houston the TPE for Asik so they could get Melo.

[droopdog7]

here's the offer I've proposed in the multitude of threads on this:
1.  Sully or KO (I'd prefer to send Sully only because I think KO offers a better fit with Love)
2. #6
3.  one of the following:
  a. AB in a S&T
  b. #17 this year
  c. the lesser of the C's/Clips picks next year (post lottery) or the lesser of the C's/Nets picks in 2016. 
4. Non-guaranteed contracts as salary filler.

Love is not KG.  I'm not paying a KG-level price.  Sully and the #6 would be 2 starters for them.  if taking AB, he'd be a fine backup behind Martin.  otherwise, the #17 would also turn out to be a 6/7th man for that roster. 

I don't see a better offer by someone else out there unless they're going to mortgage the farm for Love.  This team will need more than Love to get to contender status and will need as many assets as possible to bring in another big-time player

Okay.  I will be Minny. 

I don't want KO or Sully.  In fact, no player on your roster really interests me as a player. 

So you will need to add more picks; #6 and #17 at minimum.  And I will take the higher of your pick and the Clips pick next year.  And please send us all of your expiring contracts as well. 

And give me the Nets pick of your choice.

Am I crazy?  I don't think so.

So what do you say?

I'd say:

Sully
Green
#6 overall
2016 Nets Unprotected First Rounder

Easily the best package you'll be offered.  So take it or let him walk.

I will repeat; I am not interested in any of your players.  Sully and KO are role players that serve no purpose right now.  No interest in Green either.

So basically, you will need to package around picks and expirings.  That's the deal.

& you think you have leverage because ?

You'll take the best deal.  By far, the best deal is:

Sully
Green
#6 overall
2016 Nets Unprotected First Rounder

No other team can come remotely close to that deal.

That's fine.  Keep you Sully and Green and kick in #17 and I will consider.

Oh wait, Houston on the other line and willing to trade Asik, Parsons and a #1. 

Hmm?

3 firsts, one of which is #6 in a stacked draft, and #17 in same draft and an unprotected from a Nets team that's likely to be a lottery team in 2016?  you'd still have to take salary to match Love's deal. 

no intention of sending out Green--need a quality SF to go with Love and Rondo. not sure if I'd swap out an unprotected instead of Sully.  probably put a top 5 protection on it.

as for Asik, parson and a late 1st.  if that's appealing to you instead, go for it.  you already have Pekovic and Parson will be paid more than Green for about the same production.  that first from Houston will be very late in the draft.  you'd be fired as GM of Minny if you took that deal instead.  that's assuming the C's didn't send Houston the TPE for Asik so they could get Melo.

Okay, now we're talking.  You know what, add in KO (I know I said I wasn't interested but things change) and we have a deal.

#6, #17, future Nets pick (unprotected), and KO.

[kozlodoev]

no intention of sending out Green--need a quality SF to go with Love and Rondo. not sure if I'd swap out an unprotected instead of Sully.  probably put a top 5 protection on it.

We can just sign Pierce back... with his own exemption

[Chief Macho]

if i was minny i wouldn't settle for less than four 1st's.   this years, next years clips pick and one of those brooklyn deals.   you can keep sully and ko,  stop pretending they add value.  niether has proven they could be a starter on a contenter.      then i'd ask love to either decide on golden state,  houston,  or chicago.   

and if danny thinks he has me backed into a corner, i'd tell him to go Edited.  Profanity and masked profanity are against forum rules and may result in discipline. his mother and sit on love another season.  stew in the misery. 

[BCelts]

I think my reply, were I the Celtics (and in response to the original poster) is that Kevin Love, at this stage, is worth three assets in trade.  The best bigs are "3 good draft pick/ young player" guys (no one know the guys going to ORL were going to be that good).  Kevin Love is not a KG transcendent talent, so the right package of three draft picks/young players is likely a: (1) "A-/B+" potential trade asset; (2) a "B" potential trade asset; and (3) a "B-/C+" potential trade asset. 

We are willing to give (1) #6 pick in 2014 draft; (2) Nets 2016 pick ; and (3) #17 in 2014 draft   with "good character" vets for cap filler.  That is enough.  It is more than everyone but Cleveland or Philly's "godfather" offers can bring.  If you want JS/KO, fine, then the 2015 LAC pick with KO/JS and let us keep the Nets 2016 pick.

[aingeforthree]

if i was minny i wouldn't settle for less than four 1st's.   this years, next years clips pick and one of those brooklyn deals.   you can keep sully and ko,  stop pretending they add value.  niether has proven they could be a starter on a contenter.      then i'd ask love to either decide on golden state,  houston,  or chicago.   

and if danny thinks he has me backed into a corner, i'd tell him to go **** his mother and sit on love another season.  stew in the misery.

What if the best package doesn't include 4 first's ?  Without leverage, how can Minnesota call the shots ?  They'll have to settle on some type of package or they lose him for nothing.

So you can tell Danny to go to heck, but he's got the war chest of first rounder's, young talent, & contract's to match for the deal to work.

[droopdog7]

if i was minny i wouldn't settle for less than four 1st's.   this years, next years clips pick and one of those brooklyn deals.   you can keep sully and ko,  stop pretending they add value.  niether has proven they could be a starter on a contenter.      then i'd ask love to either decide on golden state,  houston,  or chicago.   

and if danny thinks he has me backed into a corner, i'd tell him to go **** his mother and sit on love another season.  stew in the misery.

What if the best package doesn't include 4 first's ?  Without leverage, how can Minnesota call the shots ?  They'll have to settle on some type of package or they lose him for nothing.

So you can tell Danny to go to heck, but he's got the war chest of first rounder's, young talent, & contract's to match for the deal to work.

Well how bad do we (or any other team) want Love?  If the answer is, whatever.  Then I suppose Minn has no leverage.  If they answer is, we want the guy, then there you go.  They still do have the player afterall.  If there is a market, they will be able to leverage that do get a deal they are happy with.

[aingeforthree]

if i was minny i wouldn't settle for less than four 1st's.   this years, next years clips pick and one of those brooklyn deals.   you can keep sully and ko,  stop pretending they add value.  niether has proven they could be a starter on a contenter.      then i'd ask love to either decide on golden state,  houston,  or chicago.   

and if danny thinks he has me backed into a corner, i'd tell him to go **** his mother and sit on love another season.  stew in the misery.

What if the best package doesn't include 4 first's ?  Without leverage, how can Minnesota call the shots ?  They'll have to settle on some type of package or they lose him for nothing.

So you can tell Danny to go to heck, but he's got the war chest of first rounder's, young talent, & contract's to match for the deal to work.

Well how bad do we (or any other team) want Love?  If the answer is, whatever.  Then I suppose Minn has no leverage.  If they answer is, we want the guy, then there you go.  They still do have the player afterall.  If there is a market, they will be able to leverage that do get a deal they are happy with.

Your GM has plenty of ammunition to play with.

*1st rd picks, all unprotected.
*Young talent.
*Cap relief contracts.
*6th pick in a loaded 14' draft

That's leverage.  A whole lot of leverage.

Your GM has really set you up nicely to rebuild this thing in a hurry.

[Celtics18]

You can't put a price on Love.

[BballTim]

You can't put a price on Love.

   I gotta be honest. I wish we were looking at a player with a different last name, these thread titles are a tad bit annoying.

[D.o.s.]

You can't put a price on Love.

   I gotta be honest. I wish we were looking at a player with a different last name, these thread titles are a tad bit annoying.

Are you saying we should Stop in the name of Love?

[Celtics18]

You can't put a price on Love.

   I gotta be honest. I wish we were looking at a player with a different last name, these thread titles are a tad bit annoying.

Are you saying we should Stop in the name of Love?

Chuckle.

[BballTim]

You can't put a price on Love.

   I gotta be honest. I wish we were looking at a player with a different last name, these thread titles are a tad bit annoying.

Are you saying we should Stop in the name of Love?

  Actually I'm saying that, even if it makes my head hurt a little, I'm willing to put up with years of bad puns to get Love on the team. Begrudgingly, though.