love rumors detrimental to KO and Sullinger?

[Smokeeye123]

Or you can just explain those records to the Timberwolves continually drafting busts every time they are in the high lottery. 

[Tr1boy]

I said two way player. Ko and sully will be better two way players I predict than love.

As a two way player?   On the offensive end Love smears these guys.   Any edge they have on D, is clearly offset by Love's tremendous offensive capabilities.   It is not even close.  I don't see Sully or Love having a huge edge on him on defense at all.   But Love is hands down better on offense!   How that does make him an inferior player as a two way player?  I think it makes him better because he is a dominant offensive player and poor defender.   The other guys are mediocre at both ends and argubly poor defenders as well.

I guess your just mesmerized by his offense to not see how
Bad he is defensively. He is a poor 1 on 1 defender, doesnt bother contesting shots, stays planted to the ground, doesnt take charges bc he is constantly late/ or thinks he doesnt have to bother. He provides little to no weakside defensive help. KO and sully with their rookie bodies tried harder. Once they get in better condition will be assets on the defensive end.

Like I said a million times now, whats the pt of scoring 25 when your man will score 20? When you will let in many more pts bc u dont assist with weakside defensive situations??

Yet somehow Kelly Olynyk is worse on defense....

Seriously dude, give it a [dang] rest. Kevin Love may not be a superstar defender, but he isn't remotely as bad as you portray him. Typical case of exaggerating a story to prove ones point.

It's old and tired. We know you don't want Love, we know you continue to make up these mythical stories to explain why you don't want him....the rest of us are sick of hearing it.

The worst part is, there could be a valid argument to not trading for Kevin Love...too bad you have to make stuff up rather than make a logical argument.

KO and sully were rookies for god sakes. KL in his first two years was not scoring 25 avg. KO in the 2nd half really improved all parts of his game , you think he will stop improving?? His body changed dramatically from soph to junipr in college. Expect him to come in excellent shape for next season now that he knows what it takes to excel in this league

His ceiling is high . Ppl were not comparimg him to nowitzki for nothing. Now I doubt he will be as good but he could be 80 percent good in a yr or two. Same with sully

[BballTim]

Sorry but your blind and foolish. You keep you love goggles on.A great player also is a leader. You put duncan on the wolves instead and I bet they make the playoffs. You put nowitzki the same result. You replace love with nowitzki and mavs dont make it in.

  The Wolves were worse with Love on the bench than the Mavs were with Dirk on the bench, so it's likely that he had worse teammates than Dirk. Also, the Wolves were better with Love on the court than the Mavs were with Dirk on the court, so it's likely that his presence did more to help the Wolves than Dirk's presence did to help the Mavs. I don't think this fits your claims at all.

[Smokeeye123]

Sorry but your blind and foolish. You keep you love goggles on.A great player also is a leader. You put duncan on the wolves instead and I bet they make the playoffs. You put nowitzki the same result. You replace love with nowitzki and mavs dont make it in.

That's not necessarily true. Guys like Barkley, Iverson, Howard, Vince Carter, even Durant to some extent were not leaders. Durant is on the opposite spectrum similar to Love he's elite but doesn't have that mean edge.

Also how do you know that? Going off stats the Mavs would probably be better with Love. Dirk is a more efficient scorer but other than that Love beats him in almost every category. Rebounds, assists, etc. Same with Duncan.

[Tr1boy]

Sorry but your blind and foolish. You keep you love goggles on.A great player also is a leader. You put duncan on the wolves instead and I bet they make the playoffs. You put nowitzki the same result. You replace love with nowitzki and mavs dont make it in.

That's not necessarily true. Guys like Barkley, Iverson, Howard, Vince Carter, even Durant to some extent were not leaders. Durant is on the opposite spectrum similar to Love he's elite but doesn't have that mean edge.

Also how do you know that? Going off stats the Mavs would probably be better with Love. Dirk is a more efficient scorer but other than that Love beats him in almost every category. Rebounds, assists, etc. Same with Duncan.

What about Melo and his great individual stat achievements. Where has that taken him?? He has had a really good supporting cast if you think about it. So yeah its not his fault either right?

Some players don't care to score 10 more points, or chuck 5 more shots to get out of a shooting slump or not to raise their hands to challenge a shot to pad their rebounding stats.   They do alot of things that doesn't show up in the stats department to help their team win.
They are efficient and resourceful

Love on the other hand has shot avg 45 percent for his career.  A PF that shoots at 45 percent, is that a good stat?  On many many occasions he has given up on defending his man until the end of the play, rushing to get a potential rebound instead.  Is this a good habit??  How will other players behave when your best player does this kind of crap?

Make fun of guys like Aaron Gordon all you want but he is going to challenge the shot without fouling from the start to the end of the play.  He is not going to chuck the ball to get out of a slump and instead make the correct pass.   Aaron Gordon won't be the scorer Love will ever will be but he plays the right way and he plays hard. If Love did as well on both ends +  his skills, he would of made the playoffs by now.

[RJ87]

Yet somehow Kelly Olynyk is worse on defense....

Seriously dude, give it a [dang] rest. Kevin Love may not be a superstar defender, but he isn't remotely as bad as you portray him. Typical case of exaggerating a story to prove ones point.

It's old and tired. We know you don't want Love, we know you continue to make up these mythical stories to explain why you don't want him....the rest of us are sick of hearing it.

The worst part is, there could be a valid argument to not trading for Kevin Love...too bad you have to make stuff up rather than make a logical argument.

KO and sully were rookies for god sakes. KL in his first two years was not scoring 25 avg. KO in the 2nd half really improved all parts of his game , you think he will stop improving?? His body changed dramatically from soph to junipr in college. Expect him to come in excellent shape for next season now that he knows what it takes to excel in this league

His ceiling is high . Ppl were not comparimg him to nowitzki for nothing. Now I doubt he will be as good but he could be 80 percent good in a yr or two. Same with sully

Kelly Olynyk is a rookie, but he's an older rookie. Already 23 years old and very likely near his ceiling. Kevin Love at 23 was already averaging 26 and 13 and an All-star.

As far as Jared, maybe his conditioning can get better but I'm not sure how much his body can really change. He'll probably never be a guy who can get lean and cut like Humphries or even a Chris Wilcox. I think he'll struggle with his weight a lot ala Glen Davis and if he does every get it together, he likely ends up like Zach Randolph body wise. I do think Jared will be a good player in this league, but I don't think he'll ever emerge as a legit star.

[GreenWarrior]

6 pages of trying to convince this guy that Love is better than Sully and Olynyk? I think it could go to 2000 pages and Love winning a championship here and he still wouldn't be convinced.

hopefully Sully & Olynyk had recovered by then though.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

I'll be glad when this is OVAH! Draft day can't come soon enough that or they're waiting for the playoffs to end.

[Tr1boy]

Yet somehow Kelly Olynyk is worse on defense....

Seriously dude, give it a [dang] rest. Kevin Love may not be a superstar defender, but he isn't remotely as bad as you portray him. Typical case of exaggerating a story to prove ones point.

It's old and tired. We know you don't want Love, we know you continue to make up these mythical stories to explain why you don't want him....the rest of us are sick of hearing it.

The worst part is, there could be a valid argument to not trading for Kevin Love...too bad you have to make stuff up rather than make a logical argument.

KO and sully were rookies for god sakes. KL in his first two years was not scoring 25 avg. KO in the 2nd half really improved all parts of his game , you think he will stop improving?? His body changed dramatically from soph to junipr in college. Expect him to come in excellent shape for next season now that he knows what it takes to excel in this league

His ceiling is high . Ppl were not comparimg him to nowitzki for nothing. Now I doubt he will be as good but he could be 80 percent good in a yr or two. Same with sully

Kelly Olynyk is a rookie, but he's an older rookie. Already 23 years old and very likely near his ceiling. Kevin Love at 23 was already averaging 26 and 13 and an All-star.

As far as Jared, maybe his conditioning can get better but I'm not sure how much his body can really change. He'll probably never be a guy who can get lean and cut like Humphries or even a Chris Wilcox. I think he'll struggle with his weight a lot ala Glen Davis and if he does every get it together, he likely ends up like Zach Randolph body wise. I do think Jared will be a good player in this league, but I don't think he'll ever emerge as a legit star.

KO is a late bloomer. His skills for a big man are advanced.  He is a guy that already has the skills but needs to body + experience to put it all together

Sullinger will never likely become explosive, quick but could develop a body similar to Anthony Mason, Charles Oakley, David West and become a very good consistent player in this league

[the_Bird]

6 pages of trying to convince this guy that Love is better than Sully and Olynyk? I think it could go to 2000 pages and Love winning a championship here and he still wouldn't be convinced.

[fitzhickey]

Sorry but your blind and foolish. You keep you love goggles on.A great player also is a leader. You put duncan on the wolves instead and I bet they make the playoffs. You put nowitzki the same result. You replace love with nowitzki and mavs dont make it in.

That's not necessarily true. Guys like Barkley, Iverson, Howard, Vince Carter, even Durant to some extent were not leaders. Durant is on the opposite spectrum similar to Love he's elite but doesn't have that mean edge.

Also how do you know that? Going off stats the Mavs would probably be better with Love. Dirk is a more efficient scorer but other than that Love beats him in almost every category. Rebounds, assists, etc. Same with Duncan.

What about Melo and his great individual stat achievements. Where has that taken him?? He has had a really good supporting cast if you think about it. So yeah its not his fault either right?

Some players don't care to score 10 more points, or chuck 5 more shots to get out of a shooting slump or not to raise their hands to challenge a shot to pad their rebounding stats.   They do alot of things that doesn't show up in the stats department to help their team win.
They are efficient and resourceful

Love on the other hand has shot avg 45 percent for his career.  A PF that shoots at 45 percent, is that a good stat?  On many many occasions he has given up on defending his man until the end of the play, rushing to get a potential rebound instead.  Is this a good habit??  How will other players behave when your best player does this kind of crap?

Make fun of guys like Aaron Gordon all you want but he is going to challenge the shot without fouling from the start to the end of the play.  He is not going to chuck the ball to get out of a slump and instead make the correct pass.   Aaron Gordon won't be the scorer Love will ever will be but he plays the right way and he plays hard. If Love did as well on both ends +  his skills, he would of made the playoffs by now.

Melo has made the playoffs as many times as Paul Pierce has. Surround Melo with KG from '08 and Allen fromm '08 and I am sure a championship would be the result.

[BballTim]

Sorry but your blind and foolish. You keep you love goggles on.A great player also is a leader. You put duncan on the wolves instead and I bet they make the playoffs. You put nowitzki the same result. You replace love with nowitzki and mavs dont make it in.

That's not necessarily true. Guys like Barkley, Iverson, Howard, Vince Carter, even Durant to some extent were not leaders. Durant is on the opposite spectrum similar to Love he's elite but doesn't have that mean edge.

Also how do you know that? Going off stats the Mavs would probably be better with Love. Dirk is a more efficient scorer but other than that Love beats him in almost every category. Rebounds, assists, etc. Same with Duncan.

What about Melo and his great individual stat achievements. Where has that taken him?? He has had a really good supporting cast if you think about it. So yeah its not his fault either right?

  This is the first year Melo hasn't made the playoffs. Give him as much credit for that as you want.

Love on the other hand has shot avg 45 percent for his career.  A PF that shoots at 45 percent, is that a good stat? 

  You should go figure out what TS% is and then revise this.

[Celtics4ever]

What about "heart"  PP had that in spades, Melo not so much.  He looks great on paper but it's the intangibles that I do not like about him.   Yes, he is productive and scores, no one can argue that.   But I have not once ever seen him put aside his game for the team.

[Tr1boy]

What about "heart"  PP had that in spades, Melo not so much.  He looks great on paper but it's the intangibles that I do not like about him.   Yes, he is productive and scores, no one can argue that.   But I have not once ever seen him put aside his game for the team.

+1

[hpantazo]

Yet somehow Kelly Olynyk is worse on defense....

Seriously dude, give it a [dang] rest. Kevin Love may not be a superstar defender, but he isn't remotely as bad as you portray him. Typical case of exaggerating a story to prove ones point.

It's old and tired. We know you don't want Love, we know you continue to make up these mythical stories to explain why you don't want him....the rest of us are sick of hearing it.

The worst part is, there could be a valid argument to not trading for Kevin Love...too bad you have to make stuff up rather than make a logical argument.

KO and sully were rookies for god sakes. KL in his first two years was not scoring 25 avg. KO in the 2nd half really improved all parts of his game , you think he will stop improving?? His body changed dramatically from soph to junipr in college. Expect him to come in excellent shape for next season now that he knows what it takes to excel in this league

His ceiling is high . Ppl were not comparimg him to nowitzki for nothing. Now I doubt he will be as good but he could be 80 percent good in a yr or two. Same with sully

Kelly Olynyk is a rookie, but he's an older rookie. Already 23 years old and very likely near his ceiling. Kevin Love at 23 was already averaging 26 and 13 and an All-star.

As far as Jared, maybe his conditioning can get better but I'm not sure how much his body can really change. He'll probably never be a guy who can get lean and cut like Humphries or even a Chris Wilcox. I think he'll struggle with his weight a lot ala Glen Davis and if he does every get it together, he likely ends up like Zach Randolph body wise. I do think Jared will be a good player in this league, but I don't think he'll ever emerge as a legit star.

KO is a late bloomer. His skills for a big man are advanced.  He is a guy that already has the skills but needs to body + experience to put it all together

Sullinger will never likely become explosive, quick but could develop a body similar to Anthony Mason, Charles Oakley, David West and become a very good consistent player in this league

KO is 23 years old and is the son of a basketball coach. If he doesn't have an NBA body and skills now, he's probably never going to. It's not like he's an 18 year old kid or someone who grew up with little exposure to basketball and athletic training.

Sullinger is entering his 3rd year in the NBA, is also the son of a basketball coach, and has always had weight issues. I like Sullinger, but expecting him to develop a body like Anthony Mason at this stage is borderline insane.