love rumors detrimental to KO and Sullinger?

[IlCapitano]

So we should wait for every single player with an inch of potential to develop for years and miss out on top league players?

I love Sully, he's my favorite player on this team behind Rondo, but when you have a chance for a top player in the league, you just do it. It's a no brainer.

It's not like we're talking about Anthony Davis or Andre Drummond being traded.

[Tr1boy]

So we should wait for every single player with an inch of potential to develop for years and miss out on top league players?

I love Sully, he's my favorite player on this team behind Rondo, but when you have a chance for a top player in the league, you just do it. It's a no brainer.

It's not like we're talking about Anthony Davis or Andre Drummond being traded.

Are you giving ko and sully a fair chance?? Have we seen sully play with a pro body?? What about KO??

If either players best games were 15 pts , 7 rebounds playing 30 plus min, I dont have an issue trading them. But each produced some incredible numbers several games rookies or not. They just need a better body and put it together

[wayupnorth]

We need to see the next card flipped and instead people want to go all in with two jacks

Its a shame alot of fans dont have patients anymore. One bad year and lets give up on our promising young players plus a 6th pick (would be top 3 in any other draft)

This is diff than 2007. Love is not KG not by a mile.

If we give up on one or both of these guys and lose both of our 2014 picks for Love imo we will pay. Come on Danny dont do it

I don't know about you, but I'm not a doctor -- I just play one on CB.

How old are you?  One typing mistake and you want to point it out to show how cool you are?

Maybe it is because you posting on the same topics, with opinions that are, to put it kindly, odd, people get tired of it.

I personally know I do.

[Celtics18]

If a Love trade happens, I doubt very much that we give up both of them.  Personally, I'm hoping that Olynyk's the one who stays. 

[kozlodoev]

Are you giving ko and sully a fair chance?? Have we seen sully play with a pro body?? What about KO??

I haven't seen Tractor Traylor play with an NBA body either, but that doesn't mean he wasn't given a chance.

[JBcat]

I'll give you this ideally I'd like to hold onto 1 of the Sully/KO combo.  Similar to when we were able to hold onto Rondo with the Ray and KG trades.  I seem to remember Ainge holding firm not including Rondo in the KG deal.

If Ainge is higher on one over the other he might stand his ground to trade the lesser of the 2 whoever he feels that is.

[nickagneta]

triboy, I get it. You love youth and the untapped potential of what could be. You love the young guys and for some unknown reason think that a group of young guys that have shown little All-NBA potential can make the C's a contender. I get it. I get that your perfect lineup next year would be

Marcus Smart
Phil Pressey
Aaron Gordon
Kelly Olynyk
Jared Sullinger

with guys like Chris Johnson, Noah Vonleh, Jerami Grant, Clint Capella and Shabazz Napier coming off the bench. I think we all get it.

But why wouldn't you trade either or both of Sully and Olynyk, two guys that you hope might some day be as good as Kevin Love, for Kevin Love? Love is just a couple years older than both those players. Why risk it. Just trade them away and some picks for the actual Kevin Love.

The picks aren't the end all be all of how to get assets. Trades and free agency exist and the draft is a major gamble. There's probably a 50% chance that any guy you love and have mentioned wanting the C's to draft is going to be a complete and utter bust. There's probably a 35% chance those players only become role playing bench players, a 10% chance they become starters and a less than 5% chance they become anywhere near as good as Kevin Love.

Smart move is trade for Love and build a team with an age range of the mid 20's to the early 30's, that has some All-Stars(Love and Rondo), tries to get more All-Stars and tries to contend. Its good for the win loss column, its good for the championship aspirations, its good for bottom line business, its good for staying relevant in the very competitive Boston sports market. Its just the right move all around.

Waiting for Sully and Olynyk and the boatload of youth that you want to add will take forever to watch them mature, if ever, into players and a team. Meanwhile, attendance will suffer, business will suffer and the Celtics will be relegated to an afterthought on the Boston sports scene as the Red Sox, Patriots and Bruins continue to compete for championships.

I don't think Grousbeck and Ainge want to go the rebuild with youth route. They have a proven model that got them a ring and another trip to the Finals and years in the playoffs as a title contender. That model is spend some time being mediocre to bad collecting assets(young players and picks and desirable contracts(non-guaranteed and expiring) and trade them away for stars and then attract others to come play with the stars and become an instant contender in a worst to first type situation.

Its worked already. It sure looks like they are trying to do the same thing again.

[GreenWarrior]

If they're so mentally fragile that they can't handle being offered in a trade for an all-nba player who is a three time all-star they aren't going to make it anyways.

I just disagree to draft , never wait and trade for someone more established. And continue the cycle

When you're trading for marginal upgrades or lateral moves I agree with you. (See Scola for Plumlee)

But we're talking about a major upgrade at PF, going from a guy who the next step is becoming a quality starting PF and a quality backup PF (Sully/Olynyk respectively) to a all-star who is also an all-nba candidate every year he's healthy.

But how do you know sully and KO wont be all stars?

They each had stretches where they produced high quality numbers. If you forgot sully was doing 20 and 15, KO had numerous 20 plus point games, 8 reb, 3 assists.

we don't know what sully and olynyk will be. we do know what Love is - an all star, a 20/10 guy, arguably a top 10 player, one of if not the best PF's in the game.

no reason not to go after that now. waiting on "potential" is a set up for disaster.

the fact that this needs to be explained and broken down to some is mind boggling.

[GreenWarrior]

So we should wait for every single player with an inch of potential to develop for years and miss out on top league players?

I love Sully, he's my favorite player on this team behind Rondo, but when you have a chance for a top player in the league, you just do it. It's a no brainer.

It's not like we're talking about Anthony Davis or Andre Drummond being traded.

we gave up on gerald green way to early. if we had just waited 9 yrs. we'd be rolling in championships right now.

[IlCapitano]

So we should wait for every single player with an inch of potential to develop for years and miss out on top league players?

I love Sully, he's my favorite player on this team behind Rondo, but when you have a chance for a top player in the league, you just do it. It's a no brainer.

It's not like we're talking about Anthony Davis or Andre Drummond being traded.

Are you giving ko and sully a fair chance?? Have we seen sully play with a pro body?? What about KO??

If either players best games were 15 pts , 7 rebounds playing 30 plus min, I dont have an issue trading them. But each produced some incredible numbers several games rookies or not. They just need a better body and put it together

Are you giving Kevin Love a fair chance? Have we seen potential in Sully and Kelly to be top 10 or even top 20 players in the league that Kevin Love IS?

If you're ok with missing out on players who are already there and we have a realistic chance of getting them, that's ok. I and most Celtics fans, I believe, and Danny also, are not.

Let's say your plan works out, either one of those guys turn out to be the players Kevin Love is today. We would have to wait for that at least 3 more seasons, and that's a huge IF.

Rondo will be gone, he's not spending his prime waiting for Sully or Olynyk to develop. Who do you have in 3 years to sign and improve this team? You could have Durant and Davis and whatever, and you could have nobody. If either one of them is a lock to be a superstar like Anthony Davis is, I would be all over keeping them even if Rondo leaving is the price.

And that's what it's all about. They could be very good, and they could end up being role players. And even if they ever become stars in this league, I don't think they'll be close to the Love's level right NOW.

If you fail on landing Love, I'm all for keeping them both and waiting to see where the road takes us. But right now, we have a very realistic chance of getting top 10 player in the league and have him and Rondo turn this around.

And yeah, you could argue if they are good enough to turn Boston around, but let's not get into it. I believe it, most fans believe it, and I'm sure Danny believes it.

[Donoghus]

If they're so mentally fragile that they can't handle being offered in a trade for an all-nba player who is a three time all-star they aren't going to make it anyways.

Closest to my feelings.

These are grown adults & professional athletes.  They know the routine and the nature of the business (i.e. always the potential to be shippped out of town).

If they can't handle the mental "strain" of that, then we really don't need them on this basketball team since they probably don't have the mental strength to succeed at the pro level anyways.

[Evantime34]

I hope it isn't detrimental to their development. They should see this as a challenge, because whether they stay or go they both should be in line for a lot minutes next year.

To be honest, I don't care if it's detrimental to their development, as long as we get Love.

[nickagneta]

So we should wait for every single player with an inch of potential to develop for years and miss out on top league players?

I love Sully, he's my favorite player on this team behind Rondo, but when you have a chance for a top player in the league, you just do it. It's a no brainer.

It's not like we're talking about Anthony Davis or Andre Drummond being traded.

Are you giving ko and sully a fair chance?? Have we seen sully play with a pro body?? What about KO??

If either players best games were 15 pts , 7 rebounds playing 30 plus min, I dont have an issue trading them. But each produced some incredible numbers several games rookies or not. They just need a better body and put it together

Corey Brewer, Tracey Murray, Tony Delk are all players that once scored 50 points in a game. Players can have individual great games or have incredible stretches(see Tony Allen circa 2007). That does not mean they become more valuable than the overall player they are.

Sully and KO had horrid, awful, puke inducing games last year too. We can't judge them solely on those games.

Sully and KO are expendable in any conversation of a trade for a player the caliber of Kevin Love.

[Clench123]

Yea...pass on top players in the NBA just because we want to see KO and Sullinger develop   Did you even hear yourself?  *palm face*

[Celtics4ever]

I am with Fafnir on this one.  I think Sully and KO would need to grow up some this is a business.  If this bothers them I do not want them anyways as that would mean they are mentally soft.

You are seriously delusional if you think KO or Sully will equal love as a player.   As for chances, we already gave both of them a chance last year and drafted them thereby giving them a chance in the league.

I doubt this happens either way  though, so relax.   Summer is a crazy time with all the rumors and  99% of them are not true.