RealGM source: "Love deal to Boston pretty much done"

[Eddie20]

Btw... the most relevant thing about this thread is that we can watch the retardation of the media in action.

Phase 1:  Some random fans on a message board (LarryBirdsFingr and FrankLucas) share their Kevin Love fantasies:  http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1324734   (see my cut-and-paste quotes on the previous page to save time)

Phase 2:  Some hacky blog called "rappler.com" reports the fan quotes as a "source" saying Kevin Love is a "done deal":  http://www.rappler.com/sports/by-sport/basketball/59460-holding-court-celtics-pacers-opposite-directions

Phase 3:  This Celticsblog thread

Phase 4:  Gary Tanguay now reports on the rappler article:  http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/melo-love-rondo-lets-hope-its-true

Let's see where this stupidity goes from here.

  I think you're getting an education in how 90% of the rumors people talk about here originate. People decide whether the rumor's legitimate based on whether they want it to be true or not.

Well Tim, to be fair... a lot of the "rumors" we discuss here originate from folks like Mark Stein, Chad Ford and Woj... There mods in this community are pretty good about filtering out the riff-raff.  They typically don't allow people to come here pretending to have sources and usually people are quick to point out if something is originating from a bogus twitter feed or a hacky blog that quotes Celtic fans on a message board as "sources".

Granted, you could be speaking more to the idea that the media in general makes stuff up.  I guess that's partially true.  You seem to lean towards the idea that it's always made up... Like when Forsberg reported that Golden State turned down Boston in a Rondo/Curry trade (pre-Steph superstardom), you took it about as seriously as CelticsThug on a RealGM forum.

"In December, the Celtics had discussions with Golden State about a Stephen Curry-for-Rondo deal, and one source says it was Golden State that decided against pulling the trigger. But Curry's recent ankle injuries, which have caused him several problems in his short career, have given the Celtics pause. The potential trade is still being discussed by Boston's braintrust, but they aren't sure they want to go forward with it. It also isn't clear whether the Warriors would be willing to do it. Other players would have to be thrown in to make it work financially."

Are you referring to this rumor by Chris Broussard where he first says Golden State turned down the deal and then implies that Boston turned down the deal?

Sounds pretty flimsy to me.

  Yes, but if you ignore part of thst and claim the rest is almost a fact it works out nicely.

I don't think it's hard to understand even though it's written poorly. Rondo for Curry deal was turned down by Warriors. Teams were still in conversation on a deal, but the C's had to offer more to entice the Warriors. However, Curry's ankle issues at the times made the C's uncertain if they were willing to do that.

What a steal that would've been. Curry would be an amazing fit in Stevens' system and provide the scoring and shooting we desperately lack. A Curry/Love pick and roll game would've been incredibly difficult to stop with the way both can shoot.

[Celtics18]

Btw... the most relevant thing about this thread is that we can watch the retardation of the media in action.

Phase 1:  Some random fans on a message board (LarryBirdsFingr and FrankLucas) share their Kevin Love fantasies:  http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1324734   (see my cut-and-paste quotes on the previous page to save time)

Phase 2:  Some hacky blog called "rappler.com" reports the fan quotes as a "source" saying Kevin Love is a "done deal":  http://www.rappler.com/sports/by-sport/basketball/59460-holding-court-celtics-pacers-opposite-directions

Phase 3:  This Celticsblog thread

Phase 4:  Gary Tanguay now reports on the rappler article:  http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/melo-love-rondo-lets-hope-its-true

Let's see where this stupidity goes from here.

  I think you're getting an education in how 90% of the rumors people talk about here originate. People decide whether the rumor's legitimate based on whether they want it to be true or not.

Well Tim, to be fair... a lot of the "rumors" we discuss here originate from folks like Mark Stein, Chad Ford and Woj... There mods in this community are pretty good about filtering out the riff-raff.  They typically don't allow people to come here pretending to have sources and usually people are quick to point out if something is originating from a bogus twitter feed or a hacky blog that quotes Celtic fans on a message board as "sources".

Granted, you could be speaking more to the idea that the media in general makes stuff up.  I guess that's partially true.  You seem to lean towards the idea that it's always made up... Like when Forsberg reported that Golden State turned down Boston in a Rondo/Curry trade (pre-Steph superstardom), you took it about as seriously as CelticsThug on a RealGM forum.

"In December, the Celtics had discussions with Golden State about a Stephen Curry-for-Rondo deal, and one source says it was Golden State that decided against pulling the trigger. But Curry's recent ankle injuries, which have caused him several problems in his short career, have given the Celtics pause. The potential trade is still being discussed by Boston's braintrust, but they aren't sure they want to go forward with it. It also isn't clear whether the Warriors would be willing to do it. Other players would have to be thrown in to make it work financially."

Are you referring to this rumor by Chris Broussard where he first says Golden State turned down the deal and then implies that Boston turned down the deal?

Sounds pretty flimsy to me.

  Yes, but if you ignore part of thst and claim the rest is almost a fact it works out nicely.

I don't think it's hard to understand even though it's written poorly. Rondo for Curry deal was turned down by Warriors. Teams were still in conversation on a deal, but the C's had to offer more to entice the Warriors. However, Curry's ankle issues at the times made the C's uncertain if they were willing to do that.

What a steal that would've been. Curry would be an amazing fit in Stevens' system and provide the scoring and shooting we desperately lack. A Curry/Love pick and roll game would've been incredibly difficult to stop with the way both can shoot.

It would have been the Warriors who would have had to offer more to make the salaries match as Curry was still on his rookie deal at the time. 


Again, your take is a perfect example of reading what you want to read in this rumor. 

[Eddie20]

Btw... the most relevant thing about this thread is that we can watch the retardation of the media in action.

Phase 1:  Some random fans on a message board (LarryBirdsFingr and FrankLucas) share their Kevin Love fantasies:  http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1324734   (see my cut-and-paste quotes on the previous page to save time)

Phase 2:  Some hacky blog called "rappler.com" reports the fan quotes as a "source" saying Kevin Love is a "done deal":  http://www.rappler.com/sports/by-sport/basketball/59460-holding-court-celtics-pacers-opposite-directions

Phase 3:  This Celticsblog thread

Phase 4:  Gary Tanguay now reports on the rappler article:  http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/melo-love-rondo-lets-hope-its-true

Let's see where this stupidity goes from here.

  I think you're getting an education in how 90% of the rumors people talk about here originate. People decide whether the rumor's legitimate based on whether they want it to be true or not.

Well Tim, to be fair... a lot of the "rumors" we discuss here originate from folks like Mark Stein, Chad Ford and Woj... There mods in this community are pretty good about filtering out the riff-raff.  They typically don't allow people to come here pretending to have sources and usually people are quick to point out if something is originating from a bogus twitter feed or a hacky blog that quotes Celtic fans on a message board as "sources".

Granted, you could be speaking more to the idea that the media in general makes stuff up.  I guess that's partially true.  You seem to lean towards the idea that it's always made up... Like when Forsberg reported that Golden State turned down Boston in a Rondo/Curry trade (pre-Steph superstardom), you took it about as seriously as CelticsThug on a RealGM forum.

"In December, the Celtics had discussions with Golden State about a Stephen Curry-for-Rondo deal, and one source says it was Golden State that decided against pulling the trigger. But Curry's recent ankle injuries, which have caused him several problems in his short career, have given the Celtics pause. The potential trade is still being discussed by Boston's braintrust, but they aren't sure they want to go forward with it. It also isn't clear whether the Warriors would be willing to do it. Other players would have to be thrown in to make it work financially."

Are you referring to this rumor by Chris Broussard where he first says Golden State turned down the deal and then implies that Boston turned down the deal?

Sounds pretty flimsy to me.

  Yes, but if you ignore part of thst and claim the rest is almost a fact it works out nicely.

I don't think it's hard to understand even though it's written poorly. Rondo for Curry deal was turned down by Warriors. Teams were still in conversation on a deal, but the C's had to offer more to entice the Warriors. However, Curry's ankle issues at the times made the C's uncertain if they were willing to do that.

What a steal that would've been. Curry would be an amazing fit in Stevens' system and provide the scoring and shooting we desperately lack. A Curry/Love pick and roll game would've been incredibly difficult to stop with the way both can shoot.

It would have been the Warriors who would have had to offer more to make the salaries match as Curry was still on his rookie deal at the time. 


Again, your take is a perfect example of reading what you want to read in this rumor.

Making salaries match by dumping a player would be beneficial to the Warriors. In addition to taking a undesirable contract, a deal could be further sweetened by offering draft picks.

[Celtics18]

Btw... the most relevant thing about this thread is that we can watch the retardation of the media in action.

Phase 1:  Some random fans on a message board (LarryBirdsFingr and FrankLucas) share their Kevin Love fantasies:  http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1324734   (see my cut-and-paste quotes on the previous page to save time)

Phase 2:  Some hacky blog called "rappler.com" reports the fan quotes as a "source" saying Kevin Love is a "done deal":  http://www.rappler.com/sports/by-sport/basketball/59460-holding-court-celtics-pacers-opposite-directions

Phase 3:  This Celticsblog thread

Phase 4:  Gary Tanguay now reports on the rappler article:  http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/melo-love-rondo-lets-hope-its-true

Let's see where this stupidity goes from here.

  I think you're getting an education in how 90% of the rumors people talk about here originate. People decide whether the rumor's legitimate based on whether they want it to be true or not.

Well Tim, to be fair... a lot of the "rumors" we discuss here originate from folks like Mark Stein, Chad Ford and Woj... There mods in this community are pretty good about filtering out the riff-raff.  They typically don't allow people to come here pretending to have sources and usually people are quick to point out if something is originating from a bogus twitter feed or a hacky blog that quotes Celtic fans on a message board as "sources".

Granted, you could be speaking more to the idea that the media in general makes stuff up.  I guess that's partially true.  You seem to lean towards the idea that it's always made up... Like when Forsberg reported that Golden State turned down Boston in a Rondo/Curry trade (pre-Steph superstardom), you took it about as seriously as CelticsThug on a RealGM forum.

"In December, the Celtics had discussions with Golden State about a Stephen Curry-for-Rondo deal, and one source says it was Golden State that decided against pulling the trigger. But Curry's recent ankle injuries, which have caused him several problems in his short career, have given the Celtics pause. The potential trade is still being discussed by Boston's braintrust, but they aren't sure they want to go forward with it. It also isn't clear whether the Warriors would be willing to do it. Other players would have to be thrown in to make it work financially."

Are you referring to this rumor by Chris Broussard where he first says Golden State turned down the deal and then implies that Boston turned down the deal?

Sounds pretty flimsy to me.

  Yes, but if you ignore part of thst and claim the rest is almost a fact it works out nicely.

I don't think it's hard to understand even though it's written poorly. Rondo for Curry deal was turned down by Warriors. Teams were still in conversation on a deal, but the C's had to offer more to entice the Warriors. However, Curry's ankle issues at the times made the C's uncertain if they were willing to do that.

What a steal that would've been. Curry would be an amazing fit in Stevens' system and provide the scoring and shooting we desperately lack. A Curry/Love pick and roll game would've been incredibly difficult to stop with the way both can shoot.

It would have been the Warriors who would have had to offer more to make the salaries match as Curry was still on his rookie deal at the time. 


Again, your take is a perfect example of reading what you want to read in this rumor.

Making salaries match by dumping a player would be beneficial to the Warriors. In addition to taking a undesirable contract, a deal could be further sweetened by offering draft picks.

Sure, that's a fair hypothesis from the Warriors point of view, but it doesn't change the fact that it has nothing to do with the rumor I quoted.  None of your further postulations are mentioned either explicitly or implicitly.

To LarBrd33's point; we read into these rumors what we want to read into them.

[BballTim]

Btw... the most relevant thing about this thread is that we can watch the retardation of the media in action.

Phase 1:  Some random fans on a message board (LarryBirdsFingr and FrankLucas) share their Kevin Love fantasies:  http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1324734   (see my cut-and-paste quotes on the previous page to save time)

Phase 2:  Some hacky blog called "rappler.com" reports the fan quotes as a "source" saying Kevin Love is a "done deal":  http://www.rappler.com/sports/by-sport/basketball/59460-holding-court-celtics-pacers-opposite-directions

Phase 3:  This Celticsblog thread

Phase 4:  Gary Tanguay now reports on the rappler article:  http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/melo-love-rondo-lets-hope-its-true

Let's see where this stupidity goes from here.

  I think you're getting an education in how 90% of the rumors people talk about here originate. People decide whether the rumor's legitimate based on whether they want it to be true or not.

Well Tim, to be fair... a lot of the "rumors" we discuss here originate from folks like Mark Stein, Chad Ford and Woj... There mods in this community are pretty good about filtering out the riff-raff.  They typically don't allow people to come here pretending to have sources and usually people are quick to point out if something is originating from a bogus twitter feed or a hacky blog that quotes Celtic fans on a message board as "sources".

Granted, you could be speaking more to the idea that the media in general makes stuff up.  I guess that's partially true.  You seem to lean towards the idea that it's always made up... Like when Forsberg reported that Golden State turned down Boston in a Rondo/Curry trade (pre-Steph superstardom), you took it about as seriously as CelticsThug on a RealGM forum.

"In December, the Celtics had discussions with Golden State about a Stephen Curry-for-Rondo deal, and one source says it was Golden State that decided against pulling the trigger. But Curry's recent ankle injuries, which have caused him several problems in his short career, have given the Celtics pause. The potential trade is still being discussed by Boston's braintrust, but they aren't sure they want to go forward with it. It also isn't clear whether the Warriors would be willing to do it. Other players would have to be thrown in to make it work financially."

Are you referring to this rumor by Chris Broussard where he first says Golden State turned down the deal and then implies that Boston turned down the deal?

Sounds pretty flimsy to me.

  Yes, but if you ignore part of thst and claim the rest is almost a fact it works out nicely.

I don't think it's hard to understand even though it's written poorly. Rondo for Curry deal was turned down by Warriors. Teams were still in conversation on a deal, but the C's had to offer more to entice the Warriors. However, Curry's ankle issues at the times made the C's uncertain if they were willing to do that.

What a steal that would've been. Curry would be an amazing fit in Stevens' system and provide the scoring and shooting we desperately lack. A Curry/Love pick and roll game would've been incredibly difficult to stop with the way both can shoot.

It would have been the Warriors who would have had to offer more to make the salaries match as Curry was still on his rookie deal at the time. 


Again, your take is a perfect example of reading what you want to read in this rumor.

Making salaries match by dumping a player would be beneficial to the Warriors. In addition to taking a undesirable contract, a deal could be further sweetened by offering draft picks.

  First of all you're clearly speculating. The rumor could mean different things, you don't know what either team was asking for and "one source said the Warriors turned down the deal" is hardly definitive. But the broader point that you're missing is we're arguing about what some reporter means when he's repeating a *rumor*. You don't know that the discussions ever took place to begin with.

[Eddie20]

Btw... the most relevant thing about this thread is that we can watch the retardation of the media in action.

Phase 1:  Some random fans on a message board (LarryBirdsFingr and FrankLucas) share their Kevin Love fantasies:  http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1324734   (see my cut-and-paste quotes on the previous page to save time)

Phase 2:  Some hacky blog called "rappler.com" reports the fan quotes as a "source" saying Kevin Love is a "done deal":  http://www.rappler.com/sports/by-sport/basketball/59460-holding-court-celtics-pacers-opposite-directions

Phase 3:  This Celticsblog thread

Phase 4:  Gary Tanguay now reports on the rappler article:  http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/melo-love-rondo-lets-hope-its-true

Let's see where this stupidity goes from here.

  I think you're getting an education in how 90% of the rumors people talk about here originate. People decide whether the rumor's legitimate based on whether they want it to be true or not.

Well Tim, to be fair... a lot of the "rumors" we discuss here originate from folks like Mark Stein, Chad Ford and Woj... There mods in this community are pretty good about filtering out the riff-raff.  They typically don't allow people to come here pretending to have sources and usually people are quick to point out if something is originating from a bogus twitter feed or a hacky blog that quotes Celtic fans on a message board as "sources".

Granted, you could be speaking more to the idea that the media in general makes stuff up.  I guess that's partially true.  You seem to lean towards the idea that it's always made up... Like when Forsberg reported that Golden State turned down Boston in a Rondo/Curry trade (pre-Steph superstardom), you took it about as seriously as CelticsThug on a RealGM forum.

"In December, the Celtics had discussions with Golden State about a Stephen Curry-for-Rondo deal, and one source says it was Golden State that decided against pulling the trigger. But Curry's recent ankle injuries, which have caused him several problems in his short career, have given the Celtics pause. The potential trade is still being discussed by Boston's braintrust, but they aren't sure they want to go forward with it. It also isn't clear whether the Warriors would be willing to do it. Other players would have to be thrown in to make it work financially."

Are you referring to this rumor by Chris Broussard where he first says Golden State turned down the deal and then implies that Boston turned down the deal?

Sounds pretty flimsy to me.

  Yes, but if you ignore part of thst and claim the rest is almost a fact it works out nicely.

I don't think it's hard to understand even though it's written poorly. Rondo for Curry deal was turned down by Warriors. Teams were still in conversation on a deal, but the C's had to offer more to entice the Warriors. However, Curry's ankle issues at the times made the C's uncertain if they were willing to do that.

What a steal that would've been. Curry would be an amazing fit in Stevens' system and provide the scoring and shooting we desperately lack. A Curry/Love pick and roll game would've been incredibly difficult to stop with the way both can shoot.

It would have been the Warriors who would have had to offer more to make the salaries match as Curry was still on his rookie deal at the time. 


Again, your take is a perfect example of reading what you want to read in this rumor.

Making salaries match by dumping a player would be beneficial to the Warriors. In addition to taking a undesirable contract, a deal could be further sweetened by offering draft picks.

  First of all you're clearly speculating. The rumor could mean different things, you don't know what either team was asking for and "one source said the Warriors turned down the deal" is hardly definitive. But the broader point that you're missing is we're arguing about what some reporter means when he's repeating a *rumor*. You don't know that the discussions ever took place to begin with.

Isn't everything speculation, really? I mean if you don't buy into the report what do you believe in? One thing is for certain, both team were smart. Ainge for trying to trade for him, and GS for not dealing him. Because if there was any doubt then on who the better player was, there surely isn't a doubt now.

[Celtics18]

Btw... the most relevant thing about this thread is that we can watch the retardation of the media in action.

Phase 1:  Some random fans on a message board (LarryBirdsFingr and FrankLucas) share their Kevin Love fantasies:  http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1324734   (see my cut-and-paste quotes on the previous page to save time)

Phase 2:  Some hacky blog called "rappler.com" reports the fan quotes as a "source" saying Kevin Love is a "done deal":  http://www.rappler.com/sports/by-sport/basketball/59460-holding-court-celtics-pacers-opposite-directions

Phase 3:  This Celticsblog thread

Phase 4:  Gary Tanguay now reports on the rappler article:  http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/melo-love-rondo-lets-hope-its-true

Let's see where this stupidity goes from here.

  I think you're getting an education in how 90% of the rumors people talk about here originate. People decide whether the rumor's legitimate based on whether they want it to be true or not.

Well Tim, to be fair... a lot of the "rumors" we discuss here originate from folks like Mark Stein, Chad Ford and Woj... There mods in this community are pretty good about filtering out the riff-raff.  They typically don't allow people to come here pretending to have sources and usually people are quick to point out if something is originating from a bogus twitter feed or a hacky blog that quotes Celtic fans on a message board as "sources".

Granted, you could be speaking more to the idea that the media in general makes stuff up.  I guess that's partially true.  You seem to lean towards the idea that it's always made up... Like when Forsberg reported that Golden State turned down Boston in a Rondo/Curry trade (pre-Steph superstardom), you took it about as seriously as CelticsThug on a RealGM forum.

"In December, the Celtics had discussions with Golden State about a Stephen Curry-for-Rondo deal, and one source says it was Golden State that decided against pulling the trigger. But Curry's recent ankle injuries, which have caused him several problems in his short career, have given the Celtics pause. The potential trade is still being discussed by Boston's braintrust, but they aren't sure they want to go forward with it. It also isn't clear whether the Warriors would be willing to do it. Other players would have to be thrown in to make it work financially."

Are you referring to this rumor by Chris Broussard where he first says Golden State turned down the deal and then implies that Boston turned down the deal?

Sounds pretty flimsy to me.

  Yes, but if you ignore part of thst and claim the rest is almost a fact it works out nicely.

I don't think it's hard to understand even though it's written poorly. Rondo for Curry deal was turned down by Warriors. Teams were still in conversation on a deal, but the C's had to offer more to entice the Warriors. However, Curry's ankle issues at the times made the C's uncertain if they were willing to do that.

What a steal that would've been. Curry would be an amazing fit in Stevens' system and provide the scoring and shooting we desperately lack. A Curry/Love pick and roll game would've been incredibly difficult to stop with the way both can shoot.

It would have been the Warriors who would have had to offer more to make the salaries match as Curry was still on his rookie deal at the time. 


Again, your take is a perfect example of reading what you want to read in this rumor.

Making salaries match by dumping a player would be beneficial to the Warriors. In addition to taking a undesirable contract, a deal could be further sweetened by offering draft picks.

  First of all you're clearly speculating. The rumor could mean different things, you don't know what either team was asking for and "one source said the Warriors turned down the deal" is hardly definitive. But the broader point that you're missing is we're arguing about what some reporter means when he's repeating a *rumor*. You don't know that the discussions ever took place to begin with.

Isn't everything speculation, really? I mean if you don't buy into the report what do you believe in? One thing is for certain, both team were smart. Ainge for trying to trade for him, and GS for not dealing him. Because if there was any doubt then on who the better player was, there surely isn't a doubt now.

You've got to be kidding.  You think there's no doubt as to who is better between Rondo and Curry?

I think that's a very debatable topic. 

[MBunge]

What a steal that would've been. Curry would be an amazing fit in Stevens' system and provide the scoring and shooting we desperately lack. A Curry/Love pick and roll game would've been incredibly difficult to stop with the way both can shoot.

The bloom is about to go off the Curry rose.  Dude can shoot but can defend a chair and turns the ball over like he's got butter on his hands.

Mike

[Eddie20]

Btw... the most relevant thing about this thread is that we can watch the retardation of the media in action.

Phase 1:  Some random fans on a message board (LarryBirdsFingr and FrankLucas) share their Kevin Love fantasies:  http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1324734   (see my cut-and-paste quotes on the previous page to save time)

Phase 2:  Some hacky blog called "rappler.com" reports the fan quotes as a "source" saying Kevin Love is a "done deal":  http://www.rappler.com/sports/by-sport/basketball/59460-holding-court-celtics-pacers-opposite-directions

Phase 3:  This Celticsblog thread

Phase 4:  Gary Tanguay now reports on the rappler article:  http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/melo-love-rondo-lets-hope-its-true

Let's see where this stupidity goes from here.

  I think you're getting an education in how 90% of the rumors people talk about here originate. People decide whether the rumor's legitimate based on whether they want it to be true or not.

Well Tim, to be fair... a lot of the "rumors" we discuss here originate from folks like Mark Stein, Chad Ford and Woj... There mods in this community are pretty good about filtering out the riff-raff.  They typically don't allow people to come here pretending to have sources and usually people are quick to point out if something is originating from a bogus twitter feed or a hacky blog that quotes Celtic fans on a message board as "sources".

Granted, you could be speaking more to the idea that the media in general makes stuff up.  I guess that's partially true.  You seem to lean towards the idea that it's always made up... Like when Forsberg reported that Golden State turned down Boston in a Rondo/Curry trade (pre-Steph superstardom), you took it about as seriously as CelticsThug on a RealGM forum.

"In December, the Celtics had discussions with Golden State about a Stephen Curry-for-Rondo deal, and one source says it was Golden State that decided against pulling the trigger. But Curry's recent ankle injuries, which have caused him several problems in his short career, have given the Celtics pause. The potential trade is still being discussed by Boston's braintrust, but they aren't sure they want to go forward with it. It also isn't clear whether the Warriors would be willing to do it. Other players would have to be thrown in to make it work financially."

Are you referring to this rumor by Chris Broussard where he first says Golden State turned down the deal and then implies that Boston turned down the deal?

Sounds pretty flimsy to me.

  Yes, but if you ignore part of thst and claim the rest is almost a fact it works out nicely.

I don't think it's hard to understand even though it's written poorly. Rondo for Curry deal was turned down by Warriors. Teams were still in conversation on a deal, but the C's had to offer more to entice the Warriors. However, Curry's ankle issues at the times made the C's uncertain if they were willing to do that.

What a steal that would've been. Curry would be an amazing fit in Stevens' system and provide the scoring and shooting we desperately lack. A Curry/Love pick and roll game would've been incredibly difficult to stop with the way both can shoot.

It would have been the Warriors who would have had to offer more to make the salaries match as Curry was still on his rookie deal at the time. 


Again, your take is a perfect example of reading what you want to read in this rumor.

Making salaries match by dumping a player would be beneficial to the Warriors. In addition to taking a undesirable contract, a deal could be further sweetened by offering draft picks.

  First of all you're clearly speculating. The rumor could mean different things, you don't know what either team was asking for and "one source said the Warriors turned down the deal" is hardly definitive. But the broader point that you're missing is we're arguing about what some reporter means when he's repeating a *rumor*. You don't know that the discussions ever took place to begin with.

Isn't everything speculation, really? I mean if you don't buy into the report what do you believe in? One thing is for certain, both team were smart. Ainge for trying to trade for him, and GS for not dealing him. Because if there was any doubt then on who the better player was, there surely isn't a doubt now.

You've got to be kidding.  You think there's no doubt as to who is better between Rondo and Curry?

I think that's a very debatable topic.

Yep, without a doubt. The guy is only getting better and just finished 6th in MVP voting. He's also coming off a season where he averaged 24 ppg, 8.5 apg, 4.3 rpg, 1.6 spg, 3.3 3s per game, and did it with excellent percentages (FG-47.1, FT-88.5, 3s- 42.4) and in relatively low minutes per game (36.5).

[Celtics4ever]

Yep, without a doubt. The guy is only getting better and just finished 6th in MVP voting. He's also coming off a season where he averaged 24 ppg, 8.5 apg, 4.3 rpg, 1.6 spg, 3.3 3s per game, and did it with excellent percentages (FG-47.1, FT-88.5, 3s- 42.4) and in relatively low minutes per game (36.5).

Also, 3.8 TO's a game.   I love Rondo but even I think that Curry is better player. 

BTW, I just love when someone only posts favorable stuff.  It is not needed here Curry is a better shooter by such a large margin that I don't think hiding his negatives matters.

[Eddie20]

Yep, without a doubt. The guy is only getting better and just finished 6th in MVP voting. He's also coming off a season where he averaged 24 ppg, 8.5 apg, 4.3 rpg, 1.6 spg, 3.3 3s per game, and did it with excellent percentages (FG-47.1, FT-88.5, 3s- 42.4) and in relatively low minutes per game (36.5).

Also, 3.8 TO's a game.   I love Rondo but even I think that Curry is better player. 

BTW, I just love when someone only posts favorable stuff.  It is not needed here Curry is a better shooter by such a large margin that I don't think hiding his negatives matters.

But to be fair...Curry has had the following TOs per year during his 5 year career:

3.0
3.1
2.5
3.1
3.8

During the same span Rondo had the following:

3.0
3.4
3.6
3.9
3.3

So while I agree that Curry could stand to lower his turnovers, let's not pretend that Rondo turns the ball over at a lesser rate.

[BballTim]

Btw... the most relevant thing about this thread is that we can watch the retardation of the media in action.

Phase 1:  Some random fans on a message board (LarryBirdsFingr and FrankLucas) share their Kevin Love fantasies:  http://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=1324734   (see my cut-and-paste quotes on the previous page to save time)

Phase 2:  Some hacky blog called "rappler.com" reports the fan quotes as a "source" saying Kevin Love is a "done deal":  http://www.rappler.com/sports/by-sport/basketball/59460-holding-court-celtics-pacers-opposite-directions

Phase 3:  This Celticsblog thread

Phase 4:  Gary Tanguay now reports on the rappler article:  http://www.csnne.com/boston-celtics/melo-love-rondo-lets-hope-its-true

Let's see where this stupidity goes from here.

  I think you're getting an education in how 90% of the rumors people talk about here originate. People decide whether the rumor's legitimate based on whether they want it to be true or not.

Well Tim, to be fair... a lot of the "rumors" we discuss here originate from folks like Mark Stein, Chad Ford and Woj... There mods in this community are pretty good about filtering out the riff-raff.  They typically don't allow people to come here pretending to have sources and usually people are quick to point out if something is originating from a bogus twitter feed or a hacky blog that quotes Celtic fans on a message board as "sources".

Granted, you could be speaking more to the idea that the media in general makes stuff up.  I guess that's partially true.  You seem to lean towards the idea that it's always made up... Like when Forsberg reported that Golden State turned down Boston in a Rondo/Curry trade (pre-Steph superstardom), you took it about as seriously as CelticsThug on a RealGM forum.

"In December, the Celtics had discussions with Golden State about a Stephen Curry-for-Rondo deal, and one source says it was Golden State that decided against pulling the trigger. But Curry's recent ankle injuries, which have caused him several problems in his short career, have given the Celtics pause. The potential trade is still being discussed by Boston's braintrust, but they aren't sure they want to go forward with it. It also isn't clear whether the Warriors would be willing to do it. Other players would have to be thrown in to make it work financially."

Are you referring to this rumor by Chris Broussard where he first says Golden State turned down the deal and then implies that Boston turned down the deal?

Sounds pretty flimsy to me.

  Yes, but if you ignore part of thst and claim the rest is almost a fact it works out nicely.

I don't think it's hard to understand even though it's written poorly. Rondo for Curry deal was turned down by Warriors. Teams were still in conversation on a deal, but the C's had to offer more to entice the Warriors. However, Curry's ankle issues at the times made the C's uncertain if they were willing to do that.

What a steal that would've been. Curry would be an amazing fit in Stevens' system and provide the scoring and shooting we desperately lack. A Curry/Love pick and roll game would've been incredibly difficult to stop with the way both can shoot.

It would have been the Warriors who would have had to offer more to make the salaries match as Curry was still on his rookie deal at the time. 


Again, your take is a perfect example of reading what you want to read in this rumor.

Making salaries match by dumping a player would be beneficial to the Warriors. In addition to taking a undesirable contract, a deal could be further sweetened by offering draft picks.

  First of all you're clearly speculating. The rumor could mean different things, you don't know what either team was asking for and "one source said the Warriors turned down the deal" is hardly definitive. But the broader point that you're missing is we're arguing about what some reporter means when he's repeating a *rumor*. You don't know that the discussions ever took place to begin with.

Isn't everything speculation, really? I mean if you don't buy into the report what do you believe in? One thing is for certain, both team were smart. Ainge for trying to trade for him, and GS for not dealing him. Because if there was any doubt then on who the better player was, there surely isn't a doubt now.

  I treat all the speculation the same, possibly true and possibly false. That's the only sensible thing to do. For instance, you start out with "Isn't everything speculation, really?". That's true and accurate. You then say "One thing is for certain, both team were smart.". Smart how? All we know for certain is that the teams may or may not have had trade talks involving Rondo and Curry along with unspecified other assets (from either side) that you're unaware of and, if those talks did occur, they didn't come to fruition for some reason. In a nutshell, that's what I think of the rumors that I hear. I don't give more credence to rumors that I agree with or would tend to support my claims because I don't give much credence to any of them. People are pretty naive if they do.

[MBunge]

Yep, without a doubt. The guy is only getting better and just finished 6th in MVP voting. He's also coming off a season where he averaged 24 ppg, 8.5 apg, 4.3 rpg, 1.6 spg, 3.3 3s per game, and did it with excellent percentages (FG-47.1, FT-88.5, 3s- 42.4) and in relatively low minutes per game (36.5).

Also, 3.8 TO's a game.   I love Rondo but even I think that Curry is better player. 

BTW, I just love when someone only posts favorable stuff.  It is not needed here Curry is a better shooter by such a large margin that I don't think hiding his negatives matters.

But to be fair...Curry has had the following TOs per year during his 5 year career:

3.0
3.1
2.5
3.1
3.8

During the same span Rondo had the following:

3.0
3.4
3.6
3.9
3.3

So while I agree that Curry could stand to lower his turnovers, let's not pretend that Rondo turns the ball over at a lesser rate.

Look at their assists per game.

Curry
5.9
5.8
5.3
6.9
8.5

Rondo
9.8
11.2
11.7
11.1
9.8

There's a big difference in assist-to-turnover ratio.  Curry turns the ball over a lot for a small perimeter player who isn't his team's primary ballhandler/offense initiator.

Mike

[BballTim]

Yep, without a doubt. The guy is only getting better and just finished 6th in MVP voting. He's also coming off a season where he averaged 24 ppg, 8.5 apg, 4.3 rpg, 1.6 spg, 3.3 3s per game, and did it with excellent percentages (FG-47.1, FT-88.5, 3s- 42.4) and in relatively low minutes per game (36.5).

Also, 3.8 TO's a game.   I love Rondo but even I think that Curry is better player. 

BTW, I just love when someone only posts favorable stuff.  It is not needed here Curry is a better shooter by such a large margin that I don't think hiding his negatives matters.

But to be fair...Curry has had the following TOs per year during his 5 year career:

3.0
3.1
2.5
3.1
3.8

During the same span Rondo had the following:

3.0
3.4
3.6
3.9
3.3

So while I agree that Curry could stand to lower his turnovers, let's not pretend that Rondo turns the ball over at a lesser rate.

  Rondo's ast/to ratio over the last 5 years is about 50% higher than Curry's.

[Eddie20]

Yep, without a doubt. The guy is only getting better and just finished 6th in MVP voting. He's also coming off a season where he averaged 24 ppg, 8.5 apg, 4.3 rpg, 1.6 spg, 3.3 3s per game, and did it with excellent percentages (FG-47.1, FT-88.5, 3s- 42.4) and in relatively low minutes per game (36.5).

Also, 3.8 TO's a game.   I love Rondo but even I think that Curry is better player. 

BTW, I just love when someone only posts favorable stuff.  It is not needed here Curry is a better shooter by such a large margin that I don't think hiding his negatives matters.

But to be fair...Curry has had the following TOs per year during his 5 year career:

3.0
3.1
2.5
3.1
3.8

During the same span Rondo had the following:

3.0
3.4
3.6
3.9
3.3

So while I agree that Curry could stand to lower his turnovers, let's not pretend that Rondo turns the ball over at a lesser rate.

Look at their assists per game.

Curry
5.9
5.8
5.3
6.9
8.5

Rondo
9.8
11.2
11.7
11.1
9.8

There's a big difference in assist-to-turnover ratio.  Curry turns the ball over a lot for a small perimeter player who isn't his team's primary ballhandler/offense initiator.

Mike

What? You don't think Curry is the team's primary ballhandler/ offense initiator? He had 8.5 apg, doubling up Iggy's second most of 4.2 He also averaged 24 ppg, which was 6 more than Thompson's 18 ppg.

His assists to turnover ratio won't be as strong as Rondo's because he actually has the ability to shoot and score the ball, so he looks for his shot much more than Rondo. However, when you count his 8.5 apg and 24 ppg that's 41 points that he's accounting for. Rondo's best season in that regard he accounted for 35.9.