Flips Rips C's Fans

[chambers]

yea, I think Triboy is in some serious denial and getting desperate

i'm not desperate. You are. And you can't be patient like alot of fans here

Any All star or All star like player , that can't play defense , hasn't made  the playoffs, are or will be overpaid etc. it doesn't matter, as long as they are a big name. Please come here and get us back to glory land

I don't care about that. I care about rebuilding a team a proper way (or least get a guy that is singed for more than a year).  Trust your gm, coaches etc to get us back to contending.

NBA Champs the last 15 years that built teams the way you would like:

San Antonio, Dallas (although they could be on either side of this)

NBA Champs with teams built through trades for other teams stars:

Lakers (x2) , Celtics, Miami Heat (x2), Detroit Pistons


Last I checked we're all trusting the GM that built us our previous title contender, and youre the one fighting what the GM could be doing.

Theres more than one way to skin a cat.

You really think getting Love and Asik is going to bring us a championship?  This is what i'm talking about

The Lakers, Heat had/have two of the best players on their team (Bosh is not bad either). The Celtics brought in a legend (KG) and prob the best 3 pt shooter of all time to win it all. The Pistons had B class players, but unlike Love or Rondo didn't need to be paid max money. They had 4 or 5 B class players instead of 2, of course they had a chance to win

You keep talking about Rondo and Love demanding max money.  I don't believe either of them are on record saying they expect or demand max money.

Mike

I think even if we gave Love a max contract we'd still have $60 million to play with for Rondo who we can also sign to Bird rights.
Does anyone know how much Rondo at $16 million how much that effects our cap situation if the tax threshold is $77 million?
Love at 19 million and Rondo at 16 million?

[Tr1boy]

Lets see what happens.

For now i don't have confidence or fear that Love is coming to Boston. Matter of fact it sounds like the Wolves want no part in trading him to anyone and will do alot to try to have him stay.  My prediciton is, Saunders, Taylor etc will have a meeting with him soon.  Hear him out, hear his complaints. Hear about how disappointed he was with Barera not joining the huddle, team not making the playoffs since he has been in the league, naybe he has a problem with Pekovic or Rubio etc.  Then Flip will try his best to accommodate his needs, trade whoever he doesn't like and assure him if by the trade deadline he is not happy and won't resign, he will get his wish and be traded.   A good chance Love accepts this offer. Or maybe he will be adament he does not want to ever play for the Wolves again and needs to be traded asap ( he could sit out).   So as a celtic fan dying to get Love in a celtics uniform, you got this hurdle to go through. Next problem is, is the Celts offer good enough?. If GSW or Wizards go for it and trade either Thompson or Beal, the Wolves imo will take that deal anytime of the year vs receiving the 6th pick and Sully.   Plus you got Flip talking crap about the Celtic fans, Taylor prob still bitter about getting jack from the KG trade and frankly i see it as a longshot that we will have a chance to trade for him.

Yes, personally i don't want Love as a Celtic by giving up our assets but realistically it's not going to be easy to get him.  If and only if our offer/package is the best  there is and time is running out to make a deal, then there is a possibility the trade happens, regardless of how much Flip dislikes Boston.

Love made a public statement WEEKS ago that he doesnt intend to resign in Minnesota if he isnt traded.  Dont you think Flip and Taylor would have had this meeting by now?

The fact that hes in Boston publicly hanging out with celtics players and seeing the city should lead you to believe that Minnesota and Love are farther apart than they ever have been.

Sure its easy to kick your feet up and say yeah it probably wont happen, because yes there is lots of things that can make a trade fall apart, but I guarantee you one of them isnt a GM being bitter with a few excited fans.

no watter which way you slice it, Saunders has repeatedly said he is not trading Love.  He said it today.  Love can say he wants out, he can kick and scream for a trade, but Flip has alot more control in all of this until Love is a FA in 2015. 

Love can get spiteful and sit out, but he will lose money and tarnish his legacy playing in Minnesota.  Basically he can never comeback to the city unless he wants a pie thrown at his face. Most players don't like to end their relationship with a city like this.

Also you have to consider that Taylor went through one horrible trade situation with the Celts, what makes you think he wants to again if at all possible?  The Celtics offer will likely not be head and shoulders better than anyone else's offer.   

Again its all fine and dandy Love is partying at Boston and shaking hands with Rondo, but he can't force a trade to Boston and Flip does not want to trade him.  You calculate the odds of how likely Love will end up wearing a Celtic uniform by the start of this upcoming season

[greg683x]

I don't care what the majority thinks, no one is going to convince me that Love is the only way and that I'm some how stupid because I don't agree that we have to throw everything to obtain him.

I don't really understand how anyone thinks you walk away with Love for Sully/Arron Gordon (#6)/fillers.... that's not reality based.


Again, the only problem I truly have with obtaining him will be the cost to us. I already feel that Sully will be our Love, now we have to not only pay money wise, we have to give up multiple picks and expiring players???

Well Love really kicked the Wolves in the balls by saying he intends to leave.  It kills any kind of leverage they would have in a trade because the entire league knows if they want to get something for him, they gotta make a move.

The other thing is, theres no guarantee he resigns with whatever team he ends up on, so again a potential one year rental limits the return.  This also limits the amount of suitors, because some teams either know or will be informed that he wont stay there.

I think in a trade we would have to give up more than you mentioned.  Sully, #6, and fillers wouldnt put us farther ahead of other teams.  We may have to give them a future first or one of the Brooklyn picks.  But its not like we'd have to give up all the Brooklyn picks. 

It's pretty well noted that the C's didnt acquire all these picks with the intention of actually drafting players with them.  So we're doing what we planned to do all along, and I dont think Danny is going to blow his entire treasure chest on one player

[footey]

Flip is absolutely correct:

I am still mad we didn't get Duncan.
Still mad we didn't get the #1 Pick in 2007---Danny had to pull a rabbit out of his hat, after that.

I am still upset that Len Bias died.

I am still scratching my head as to why we were Not given salary cap relief for 3 years, when Reggie Lewis died---Teams got cap relief when players Retired---Our player DIES--and nothing from Stern.

I am still mad, that Kendrick Perkins could not play in Game 7---where the Refs Called the 4th Quarter, COMPLETELY different from the the first 3 in 2010.

I also will never forget Magic's 1987 Junior Sky Hook---that he should never have taken--cause the Ball was actually knocked out of bounds by Mychal Thompson (over the back of McHale)---should have been Celtics ball.

1988-Ref Jack Madden calls McHale for offensive goaltending against Detroit---knocking us out of the playoffs---when replay shows McHale about 4 feet from the rim.

So, yes....Celtics fans have Long memories---All of these events have cost us at least 10 Championships as far as I'm concerned.
 

Actually may be before your time (ask Tommy), but the worst injustice of them all was the 1973 playoff game vs. Knicks (game 4 or 5) when we had a huge lead and the refs totally put the screws to us to let them win the game, which resulted in them winning the series in game 7 (first time we ever lost a game 7 in the Garden).  That was the worst. I will never forget that game.

[greg683x]

Lets see what happens.

For now i don't have confidence or fear that Love is coming to Boston. Matter of fact it sounds like the Wolves want no part in trading him to anyone and will do alot to try to have him stay.  My prediciton is, Saunders, Taylor etc will have a meeting with him soon.  Hear him out, hear his complaints. Hear about how disappointed he was with Barera not joining the huddle, team not making the playoffs since he has been in the league, naybe he has a problem with Pekovic or Rubio etc.  Then Flip will try his best to accommodate his needs, trade whoever he doesn't like and assure him if by the trade deadline he is not happy and won't resign, he will get his wish and be traded.   A good chance Love accepts this offer. Or maybe he will be adament he does not want to ever play for the Wolves again and needs to be traded asap ( he could sit out).   So as a celtic fan dying to get Love in a celtics uniform, you got this hurdle to go through. Next problem is, is the Celts offer good enough?. If GSW or Wizards go for it and trade either Thompson or Beal, the Wolves imo will take that deal anytime of the year vs receiving the 6th pick and Sully.   Plus you got Flip talking crap about the Celtic fans, Taylor prob still bitter about getting jack from the KG trade and frankly i see it as a longshot that we will have a chance to trade for him.

Yes, personally i don't want Love as a Celtic by giving up our assets but realistically it's not going to be easy to get him.  If and only if our offer/package is the best  there is and time is running out to make a deal, then there is a possibility the trade happens, regardless of how much Flip dislikes Boston.

Love made a public statement WEEKS ago that he doesnt intend to resign in Minnesota if he isnt traded.  Dont you think Flip and Taylor would have had this meeting by now?

The fact that hes in Boston publicly hanging out with celtics players and seeing the city should lead you to believe that Minnesota and Love are farther apart than they ever have been.

Sure its easy to kick your feet up and say yeah it probably wont happen, because yes there is lots of things that can make a trade fall apart, but I guarantee you one of them isnt a GM being bitter with a few excited fans.

no watter which way you slice it, Saunders has repeatedly said he is not trading Love.  He said it today.  Love can say he wants out, he can kick and scream for a trade, but Flip has alot more control in all of this until Love is a FA in 2015. 

Love can get spiteful and sit out, but he will lose money and tarnish his legacy playing in Minnesota.  Basically he can never comeback to the city unless he wants a pie thrown at his face. Most players don't like to end their relationship with a city like this.

Also you have to consider that Taylor went through one horrible trade situation with the Celts, what makes you think he wants to again if at all possible?  The Celtics offer will likely not be head and shoulders better than anyone else's offer.   

Again its all fine and dandy Love is partying at Boston and shaking hands with Rondo, but he can't force a trade to Boston and Flip does not want to trade him.  You calculate the odds of how likely Love will end up wearing a Celtic uniform by the start of this upcoming season

Look I can write a long paragraph going through all of what you wrote there and tell you how much I disagree with it and why and how wrong it is, but Im not gonna waste my breath.  It's going no where, you clearly dont like the move and thats fine, so we'll just have to agree to disagree.

[Tr1boy]

agreed.  We will see what happens

[bruinsandceltics]

I don't care what the majority thinks, no one is going to convince me that Love is the only way and that I'm some how stupid because I don't agree that we have to throw everything to obtain him.

I don't really understand how anyone thinks you walk away with Love for Sully/Arron Gordon (#6)/fillers.... that's not reality based.


Again, the only problem I truly have with obtaining him will be the cost to us. I already feel that Sully will be our Love, now we have to not only pay money wise, we have to give up multiple picks and expiring players???

Based on what?

Love was better at the same age as Sully literally across the board. Sully looks like he could be a good player, if he could ever learn how to control his weight. But realistically he will never touch 25/13/4.5

[Celtics4ever]

I guess this is what they mean about Flipping out?

[Sketch5]

Flip is puffing out his chest for the Owners. I can't see right now how Minni gets love to stay, they have no assets to make any really good moves.

If not this summer, by deadline he'll have to think really hard about moving Love. It's either move him and get some thing, or loose him and get nothing. If it's at the deadline he'll get less. Draftnight seems to have the bigger trades lately.

Love being in Boston has hurt so of his leverage with Boston, and most other teams. He's just trying to gain some ground.

I feel a bit bad for Flip, gets new job, best player wants out. Not a good position to be in.

[hpantazo]

Lets see what happens.

For now i don't have confidence or fear that Love is coming to Boston. Matter of fact it sounds like the Wolves want no part in trading him to anyone and will do alot to try to have him stay.  My prediciton is, Saunders, Taylor etc will have a meeting with him soon.  Hear him out, hear his complaints. Hear about how disappointed he was with Barera not joining the huddle, team not making the playoffs since he has been in the league, naybe he has a problem with Pekovic or Rubio etc.  Then Flip will try his best to accommodate his needs, trade whoever he doesn't like and assure him if by the trade deadline he is not happy and won't resign, he will get his wish and be traded.   A good chance Love accepts this offer. Or maybe he will be adament he does not want to ever play for the Wolves again and needs to be traded asap ( he could sit out).   So as a celtic fan dying to get Love in a celtics uniform, you got this hurdle to go through. Next problem is, is the Celts offer good enough?. If GSW or Wizards go for it and trade either Thompson or Beal, the Wolves imo will take that deal anytime of the year vs receiving the 6th pick and Sully.   Plus you got Flip talking crap about the Celtic fans, Taylor prob still bitter about getting jack from the KG trade and frankly i see it as a longshot that we will have a chance to trade for him.

Yes, personally i don't want Love as a Celtic by giving up our assets but realistically it's not going to be easy to get him.  If and only if our offer/package is the best  there is and time is running out to make a deal, then there is a possibility the trade happens, regardless of how much Flip dislikes Boston.

Love made a public statement WEEKS ago that he doesnt intend to resign in Minnesota if he isnt traded.  Dont you think Flip and Taylor would have had this meeting by now?

The fact that hes in Boston publicly hanging out with celtics players and seeing the city should lead you to believe that Minnesota and Love are farther apart than they ever have been.

Sure its easy to kick your feet up and say yeah it probably wont happen, because yes there is lots of things that can make a trade fall apart, but I guarantee you one of them isnt a GM being bitter with a few excited fans.

no watter which way you slice it, Saunders has repeatedly said he is not trading Love.  He said it today.  Love can say he wants out, he can kick and scream for a trade, but Flip has alot more control in all of this until Love is a FA in 2015. 

Love can get spiteful and sit out, but he will lose money and tarnish his legacy playing in Minnesota.  Basically he can never comeback to the city unless he wants a pie thrown at his face. Most players don't like to end their relationship with a city like this.

Also you have to consider that Taylor went through one horrible trade situation with the Celts, what makes you think he wants to again if at all possible?  The Celtics offer will likely not be head and shoulders better than anyone else's offer.   

Again its all fine and dandy Love is partying at Boston and shaking hands with Rondo, but he can't force a trade to Boston and Flip does not want to trade him.  You calculate the odds of how likely Love will end up wearing a Celtic uniform by the start of this upcoming season

No offense, but I really don't think you understand how the NBA works. Agents and players run the NBA, and Ainge and Saunders pander to their every whim with hopes of getting things they want in return. Ainge has made several minor and major moves over the years to help other teams and make agents happy, and he gets his in return when his chances come up. Facilitating the Sheed trade to the Pistons was one such deal. Making a trade to give Toine his big contract in Miami was another.

Also, Saunders, Ainge, and Love's agent are all on very good terms, and are working toward what is best for all parties involved. I'm sure this has been in the works for much longer than we have heard in the media. There are reasons why Ainge collected assets at such a rapid pace and why him and Wyc kept referring to big moves this summer.

There was no horrible trade with the celtics that Taylor went through, both sides were pretty happy with their deal long term.

As for Love getting pies thrown in his face, really? Did Melo or KG get pies thrown in their faces in Denver and Minny? Not even close. Those towns still love these guys. Their fans know how the league works and most of the fans were happy to see their guys go for a title rather than waste away on their horrid hometown teams, sort of like how Boston fans were happy to see Ray Bourque go for a title elsewhere when it was clear that it wasn't happening here.

Lastly, the celtics by far have much more to offer Minny in a Love trade than any other team in the running. Your implication that their offer would not be the best is unreasonable.

[kozlodoev]

i'm not offended by what he said. if it was someone who mattered then I might care.

Given that he's the President of Basketball Operations out there, I'd say he matters a tiny bit.

ehh, true. but if trading Love to us is the best option for their franchise then it doesn't matter.

Ehh, if franchises only did what was really best for them all of the time...

[CoachBo]

Lets see what happens.

For now i don't have confidence or fear that Love is coming to Boston. Matter of fact it sounds like the Wolves want no part in trading him to anyone and will do alot to try to have him stay.  My prediciton is, Saunders, Taylor etc will have a meeting with him soon.  Hear him out, hear his complaints. Hear about how disappointed he was with Barera not joining the huddle, team not making the playoffs since he has been in the league, naybe he has a problem with Pekovic or Rubio etc.  Then Flip will try his best to accommodate his needs, trade whoever he doesn't like and assure him if by the trade deadline he is not happy and won't resign, he will get his wish and be traded.   A good chance Love accepts this offer. Or maybe he will be adament he does not want to ever play for the Wolves again and needs to be traded asap ( he could sit out).   So as a celtic fan dying to get Love in a celtics uniform, you got this hurdle to go through. Next problem is, is the Celts offer good enough?. If GSW or Wizards go for it and trade either Thompson or Beal, the Wolves imo will take that deal anytime of the year vs receiving the 6th pick and Sully.   Plus you got Flip talking crap about the Celtic fans, Taylor prob still bitter about getting jack from the KG trade and frankly i see it as a longshot that we will have a chance to trade for him.

Yes, personally i don't want Love as a Celtic by giving up our assets but realistically it's not going to be easy to get him.  If and only if our offer/package is the best  there is and time is running out to make a deal, then there is a possibility the trade happens, regardless of how much Flip dislikes Boston.

Love made a public statement WEEKS ago that he doesnt intend to resign in Minnesota if he isnt traded.  Dont you think Flip and Taylor would have had this meeting by now?

The fact that hes in Boston publicly hanging out with celtics players and seeing the city should lead you to believe that Minnesota and Love are farther apart than they ever have been.

Sure its easy to kick your feet up and say yeah it probably wont happen, because yes there is lots of things that can make a trade fall apart, but I guarantee you one of them isnt a GM being bitter with a few excited fans.

no watter which way you slice it, Saunders has repeatedly said he is not trading Love.  He said it today.  Love can say he wants out, he can kick and scream for a trade, but Flip has alot more control in all of this until Love is a FA in 2015. 

Love can get spiteful and sit out, but he will lose money and tarnish his legacy playing in Minnesota.  Basically he can never comeback to the city unless he wants a pie thrown at his face. Most players don't like to end their relationship with a city like this.

Also you have to consider that Taylor went through one horrible trade situation with the Celts, what makes you think he wants to again if at all possible?  The Celtics offer will likely not be head and shoulders better than anyone else's offer.   

Again its all fine and dandy Love is partying at Boston and shaking hands with Rondo, but he can't force a trade to Boston and Flip does not want to trade him.  You calculate the odds of how likely Love will end up wearing a Celtic uniform by the start of this upcoming season

No offense, but I really don't think you understand how the NBA works. Agents and players run the NBA, and Ainge and Saunders pander to their every whim with hopes of getting things they want in return. Ainge has made several minor and major moves over the years to help other teams and make agents happy, and he gets his in return when his chances come up. Facilitating the Sheed trade to the Pistons was one such deal. Making a trade to give Toine his big contract in Miami was another.

Also, Saunders, Ainge, and Love's agent are all on very good terms, and are working toward what is best for all parties involved. I'm sure this has been in the works for much longer than we have heard in the media. There are reasons why Ainge collected assets at such a rapid pace and why him and Wyc kept referring to big moves this summer.

There was no horrible trade with the celtics that Taylor went through, both sides were pretty happy with their deal long term.

As for Love getting pies thrown in his face, really? Did Melo or KG get pies thrown in their faces in Denver and Minny? Not even close. Those towns still love these guys. Their fans know how the league works and most of the fans were happy to see their guys go for a title rather than waste away on their horrid hometown teams, sort of like how Boston fans were happy to see Ray Bourque go for a title elsewhere when it was clear that it wasn't happening here.

Lastly, the celtics by far have much more to offer Minny in a Love trade than any other team in the running. Your implication that their offer would not be the best is unreasonable.

Great post, even if it falls upon deaf ears to the desperate.

[blink]

Lets see what happens.

For now i don't have confidence or fear that Love is coming to Boston. Matter of fact it sounds like the Wolves want no part in trading him to anyone and will do alot to try to have him stay.  My prediciton is, Saunders, Taylor etc will have a meeting with him soon.  Hear him out, hear his complaints. Hear about how disappointed he was with Barera not joining the huddle, team not making the playoffs since he has been in the league, naybe he has a problem with Pekovic or Rubio etc.  Then Flip will try his best to accommodate his needs, trade whoever he doesn't like and assure him if by the trade deadline he is not happy and won't resign, he will get his wish and be traded.   A good chance Love accepts this offer. Or maybe he will be adament he does not want to ever play for the Wolves again and needs to be traded asap ( he could sit out).   So as a celtic fan dying to get Love in a celtics uniform, you got this hurdle to go through. Next problem is, is the Celts offer good enough?. If GSW or Wizards go for it and trade either Thompson or Beal, the Wolves imo will take that deal anytime of the year vs receiving the 6th pick and Sully.   Plus you got Flip talking crap about the Celtic fans, Taylor prob still bitter about getting jack from the KG trade and frankly i see it as a longshot that we will have a chance to trade for him.

Yes, personally i don't want Love as a Celtic by giving up our assets but realistically it's not going to be easy to get him.  If and only if our offer/package is the best  there is and time is running out to make a deal, then there is a possibility the trade happens, regardless of how much Flip dislikes Boston.

Love made a public statement WEEKS ago that he doesnt intend to resign in Minnesota if he isnt traded.  Dont you think Flip and Taylor would have had this meeting by now?

The fact that hes in Boston publicly hanging out with celtics players and seeing the city should lead you to believe that Minnesota and Love are farther apart than they ever have been.

Sure its easy to kick your feet up and say yeah it probably wont happen, because yes there is lots of things that can make a trade fall apart, but I guarantee you one of them isnt a GM being bitter with a few excited fans.

no watter which way you slice it, Saunders has repeatedly said he is not trading Love.  He said it today.  Love can say he wants out, he can kick and scream for a trade, but Flip has alot more control in all of this until Love is a FA in 2015. 

Love can get spiteful and sit out, but he will lose money and tarnish his legacy playing in Minnesota.  Basically he can never comeback to the city unless he wants a pie thrown at his face. Most players don't like to end their relationship with a city like this.

Also you have to consider that Taylor went through one horrible trade situation with the Celts, what makes you think he wants to again if at all possible?  The Celtics offer will likely not be head and shoulders better than anyone else's offer.   

Again its all fine and dandy Love is partying at Boston and shaking hands with Rondo, but he can't force a trade to Boston and Flip does not want to trade him.  You calculate the odds of how likely Love will end up wearing a Celtic uniform by the start of this upcoming season

No offense, but I really don't think you understand how the NBA works. Agents and players run the NBA, and Ainge and Saunders pander to their every whim with hopes of getting things they want in return. Ainge has made several minor and major moves over the years to help other teams and make agents happy, and he gets his in return when his chances come up. Facilitating the Sheed trade to the Pistons was one such deal. Making a trade to give Toine his big contract in Miami was another.

Also, Saunders, Ainge, and Love's agent are all on very good terms, and are working toward what is best for all parties involved. I'm sure this has been in the works for much longer than we have heard in the media. There are reasons why Ainge collected assets at such a rapid pace and why him and Wyc kept referring to big moves this summer.

There was no horrible trade with the celtics that Taylor went through, both sides were pretty happy with their deal long term.

As for Love getting pies thrown in his face, really? Did Melo or KG get pies thrown in their faces in Denver and Minny? Not even close. Those towns still love these guys. Their fans know how the league works and most of the fans were happy to see their guys go for a title rather than waste away on their horrid hometown teams, sort of like how Boston fans were happy to see Ray Bourque go for a title elsewhere when it was clear that it wasn't happening here.

Lastly, the celtics by far have much more to offer Minny in a Love trade than any other team in the running. Your implication that their offer would not be the best is unreasonable.

Man what a great post.  You said it better than I could have.  I believe Flip is just trying to salvage as much value from his trading position as possible.  If you were Flip would you say anything BUT what he said? 

It isn't a done deal that Love is going to the C's, but GM's make statements all the time, and then change their tune because it is in the best interests of the team.

[RJ87]

And GM's play chicken all the time as part of negotiations. Last offseason, didn't Danny Ainge claim he expected Doc Rivers to be coaccoaching the Celtics during the 13-14 season?

I'm not saying Love to Boston is in the bag - a lot can go wrong before a trade happens. But to say a deal can't or won't happen because Flip Saunders is currently saying it won't is silly and grasping at straws.

[greg683x]

And GM's play chicken all the time as part of negotiations. Last offseason, didn't Danny Ainge claim he expected Doc Rivers to be coaccoaching the Celtics during the 13-14 season?

I'm not saying Love to Boston is in the bag - a lot can go wrong before a trade happens. But to say a deal can't or won't happen because Flip Saunders is currently saying it won't is silly and grasping at straws.

Yeah, I agree with all that.

At a minimum, Minnesota had to acknowledge what was going on this weekend and give the media in Minnesota and their fans a response and explanation.  What do you expect them to say??  Uhh, so yeah, as you can see we're looking to trade Kevin.  No, you cant say that, it would look like Love is doing whatever he wants and the team in clueless.

He chose to respond with I cant control where players go on their vacations and right now we expect Kevin back next year.

Yeah he took a jab at Celtic fans, but it was really just to support his 'theres nothing to see here' response.