This is the reason why i don't want Love as a Celtic

[vinnie]

So would you rather not get Love? What other alternative is out there for our Celtics?

I'd rather go down swinging (With KLove, perhaps Asik) then to not even get into the fight AT ALL....

Yeah, I'd rather not get Love. I think he's at best the 10th best big man in the game, probably closer to 15th, but will get paid like one of the best. His warts are not small, they will force our hands in more ways than people might anticipate. I also think he's soft as tissue paper.

I believe Rondo is at best the 10th best PG in the league, too. I think he will start to deteriorate in 3 years max. He'll also get paid like a superstar, because triple doubles have become the measure of excellence in this whole fantasy basketball culture.

None of the big dogs will fear this team. They can't wait to play us. The Houston Rockets of this season are a better team than the Celtics post-trade, and they didn't make it out of the second round, either.

The alternative is to take our time and rebuild the right way, like most other teams in the league are forced to do. Get some talented young players, build them up for 2-3 years, than add one or two players in FA, or trade our remaining picks from Brooklyn for a legit top player.
I rather live to fight another day. I believe going all in at this point in time is rebuild suicide. If we can win 1 championship in 10 years, that's a good ratio.

Yeah, considering our assets, I can't believe the FO is willing to throw away a unique chance at building the right way for a quick fix. No, wait...I can believe it, it just makes me incredibly sad. I think most guys around here who want to see Love in green do it for all kinds of reasons, but certainly not to win a championship. Maybe they like his superficial numbers, maybe it'll give them confidence when they talk basketball at the water cooler, maybe they like a white guy with big stats (and I don't think that's racist per se, considering the NBA landscape), maybe they want to wear a Celtics jersey with the name "Love" on the back, or maybe they just overrate Love and genuinely believe he'll lead us to the promised land.

I believe you guys have hype fever, and I fear we'll become the Boston Knicks by shooting for the fantasy option. I also fear the owners and the FO desperately want to prove how much smarter they are than anybody else, how the Boston Celtics can come back in one year, and how we're above rebuilding through the draft. I'm convinced it will come back and bite us in the rear end.
We'll be stuck in NBA no-mans-land, with a much smaller chance to improve than we have now.

I was hoping this, from the above post was sarcasm, but I guess not: "Yeah, I'd rather not get Love. I think he's at best the 10th best big man in the game, probably closer to 15th..." I needed a good laugh today and I just got it.

[Tr1boy]

I love all this talk of top three in this or that draft.  The NBA draft is as weak as it ever was folks.  That is why they have a DL now because these kids do not know how to play.  There are some real stars each year and about 50 guys who are sent to the DL or won't make it for more than five years in the league.

I agree. The 2012 draft was supposed to be loaded too and a few of those lottery picks are already out of the league.

That draft has produced 6 or 7 nice players, with guys like waiters , mkg still growing

For example you trade lillard for love and that would of been a mistake imo

[GreenFaith1819]

People can't have it both ways. I never thought a player like Love would be interested in joining the Celtic's so I was all for tanking. Even though we didn't tank as hard as I would've liked it still puts us into a great position as acquiring a top 10 player in the NBA which I didn't think would be possible.

How about we stop focusing on Love's one fault; for once a top 10 player WANTS to come to the Celtics, I don't get the hate. This is what we've all be waiting for, so what he isn't the best defender? The dude is one of the best bigs in the game.

Love is not a top 10 player in this league.  Yes he is one of the better scorers and rebounders but he is not overall (offense + defense) a top 10 player.

Top overall 10 right now (not in order)

Lebron
Durant
Westbrook
LMA
George
Chris Paul
Griffin
Anthony Davis
March Gasol
John Wall

The next group of players (not in order)
Joakim Noah
Harden
DHoward
Love
Melo
Curry

basically guys who can either score or play good defense but can't do both.

I don't want to give up the farm on a "weapon".  I will give up the farm on a complete player though. Someone like a LMA.  We need to be patient , plus the 2015 FA is coming out right around the corner.

You really think Paul George is all that? 5th best player in the league? I think that ranking is a sham, TBH.

After his abysmal showing in the playoffs? Plus, I'd question his teamwork....look, even "IF" he doesn't like Lance Stephenson, the dude should go back to Media 101 and talk to LS "In Private" rather than not offer any support to perhaps their 2nd most consistent player in the post-season.

Did you see the Post-Game Presser with George? Just sad...for all his talent I'm not sure I'd want that type of player in BOS...

You could (and should) easily slot KLove into your 5th spot....don't blame him for Minny's woes.

[Tr1boy]

People can't have it both ways. I never thought a player like Love would be interested in joining the Celtic's so I was all for tanking. Even though we didn't tank as hard as I would've liked it still puts us into a great position as acquiring a top 10 player in the NBA which I didn't think would be possible.

How about we stop focusing on Love's one fault; for once a top 10 player WANTS to come to the Celtics, I don't get the hate. This is what we've all be waiting for, so what he isn't the best defender? The dude is one of the best bigs in the game.

Love is not a top 10 player in this league.  Yes he is one of the better scorers and rebounders but he is not overall (offense + defense) a top 10 player.

Top overall 10 right now (not in order)

Lebron
Durant
Westbrook
LMA
George
Chris Paul
Griffin
Anthony Davis
March Gasol
John Wall

The next group of players (not in order)
Joakim Noah
Harden
DHoward
Love
Melo
Curry

basically guys who can either score or play good defense but can't do both.

I don't want to give up the farm on a "weapon".  I will give up the farm on a complete player though. Someone like a LMA.  We need to be patient , plus the 2015 FA is coming out right around the corner.

You really think Paul George is all that? 5th best player in the league? I think that ranking is a sham, TBH.

After his abysmal showing in the playoffs? Plus, I'd question his teamwork....look, even "IF" he doesn't like Lance Stephenson, the dude should go back to Media 101 and talk to LS "In Private" rather than not offer any support to perhaps their 2nd most consistent player in the post-season.

Did you see the Post-Game Presser with George? Just sad...for all his talent I'm not sure I'd want that type of player in BOS...

You could (and should) easily slot KLove into your 5th spot....don't blame him for Minny's woes.

I stated not in order. And yes george is one of the top players in this league imo . Better two way then love. How is this even argued?

Btw you complain about george but then rather get a guy who is ready to bail out on his team while still is in contract?

[GreenFaith1819]

People can't have it both ways. I never thought a player like Love would be interested in joining the Celtic's so I was all for tanking. Even though we didn't tank as hard as I would've liked it still puts us into a great position as acquiring a top 10 player in the NBA which I didn't think would be possible.

How about we stop focusing on Love's one fault; for once a top 10 player WANTS to come to the Celtics, I don't get the hate. This is what we've all be waiting for, so what he isn't the best defender? The dude is one of the best bigs in the game.

Love is not a top 10 player in this league.  Yes he is one of the better scorers and rebounders but he is not overall (offense + defense) a top 10 player.

Top overall 10 right now (not in order)

Lebron
Durant
Westbrook
LMA
George
Chris Paul
Griffin
Anthony Davis
March Gasol
John Wall

The next group of players (not in order)
Joakim Noah
Harden
DHoward
Love
Melo
Curry

basically guys who can either score or play good defense but can't do both.

I don't want to give up the farm on a "weapon".  I will give up the farm on a complete player though. Someone like a LMA.  We need to be patient , plus the 2015 FA is coming out right around the corner.

You really think Paul George is all that? 5th best player in the league? I think that ranking is a sham, TBH.

After his abysmal showing in the playoffs? Plus, I'd question his teamwork....look, even "IF" he doesn't like Lance Stephenson, the dude should go back to Media 101 and talk to LS "In Private" rather than not offer any support to perhaps their 2nd most consistent player in the post-season.

Did you see the Post-Game Presser with George? Just sad...for all his talent I'm not sure I'd want that type of player in BOS...

You could (and should) easily slot KLove into your 5th spot....don't blame him for Minny's woes.

I stated not in order. And yes george is one of the top players in this league imo . Better two way then love. How is this even argued?

Btw you complain about george but then rather get a guy who is ready to bail out on his team while still is in contract?

TBH, I think PG plays "At Times" like a top 5 player in the League....he only brought it once during MIA series, though....those "At Times" are enough to keep us all salivating, but when the rubber hits the road he does not appear able to truly dominate like LeBron or Durant - especially for long stretches.

And he kept Indy fans plenty intrigued during the ATL series, too...imagine the train wreck if ATL beat Indy...and they nearly did.

I'd comfortably slot PG down around top 11-15 players.

As for Love? do you see any prospects for Minny to get better? Look - our own KG offered LeBron some "advice" about his pending decision after we beat CLE in 09-10 playoffs...I don't think KG was whispering sweet nothings in LeBron's ear, lol.

I'm guessing KG was man enough to tell LeBron to do what's best for him.....and now we want to question KLove for trying to avert that long wait?

So will KLove become a pariah like LeBron? How about we schedule a "Decision" for KLove?

[D.o.s.]

Maybe he could 'Decide' to play defense.

[GreenFaith1819]

So would you rather not get Love? What other alternative is out there for our Celtics?

I'd rather go down swinging (With KLove, perhaps Asik) then to not even get into the fight AT ALL....

Yeah, I'd rather not get Love. I think he's at best the 10th best big man in the game, probably closer to 15th, but will get paid like one of the best. His warts are not small, they will force our hands in more ways than people might anticipate. I also think he's soft as tissue paper.

I believe Rondo is at best the 10th best PG in the league, too. I think he will start to deteriorate in 3 years max. He'll also get paid like a superstar, because triple doubles have become the measure of excellence in this whole fantasy basketball culture.

None of the big dogs will fear this team. They can't wait to play us. The Houston Rockets of this season are a better team than the Celtics post-trade, and they didn't make it out of the second round, either.

The alternative is to take our time and rebuild the right way, like most other teams in the league are forced to do. Get some talented young players, build them up for 2-3 years, than add one or two players in FA, or trade our remaining picks from Brooklyn for a legit top player.
I rather live to fight another day. I believe going all in at this point in time is rebuild suicide. If we can win 1 championship in 10 years, that's a good ratio.

Yeah, considering our assets, I can't believe the FO is willing to throw away a unique chance at building the right way for a quick fix. No, wait...I can believe it, it just makes me incredibly sad. I think most guys around here who want to see Love in green do it for all kinds of reasons, but certainly not to win a championship. Maybe they like his superficial numbers, maybe it'll give them confidence when they talk basketball at the water cooler, maybe they like a white guy with big stats (and I don't think that's racist per se, considering the NBA landscape), maybe they want to wear a Celtics jersey with the name "Love" on the back, or maybe they just overrate Love and genuinely believe he'll lead us to the promised land.

I believe you guys have hype fever, and I fear we'll become the Boston Knicks by shooting for the fantasy option. I also fear the owners and the FO desperately want to prove how much smarter they are than anybody else, how the Boston Celtics can come back in one year, and how we're above rebuilding through the draft. I'm convinced it will come back and bite us in the rear end.
We'll be stuck in NBA no-mans-land, with a much smaller chance to improve than we have now.

We could paint KLove Celtics Green and the end result would be that the dude can PLAY Basketball....his race has nothing to do with it.

As for the Promised Land? Well, KLove won't lead us there by himself, but him, Rondo and a few other pieces will have us knocking at that door...at the end of the day, you want a shot to COMPETE.

[GreenFaith1819]

Maybe he could 'Decide' to play defense.

If KLove "decides" to give us 25/12 and 4 dimes, I'd live with it.

Man is not a sieve on defense like some of us are alluding to, lol.

[MBunge]

yes george is one of the top players in this league imo . Better two way then love. How is this even argued?

Btw you complain about george but then rather get a guy who is ready to bail out on his team while still is in contract?

You argue it by using evidence.  From 82games.com....

Paul George's PER compared to his opposition at SF is 21.7 to 14.4.  At SG it is 15.5 to 8.3.
Kevin Love's PER compared to his opposition at PF is 26.1 to 14.2.  At center it is 35 to 17.7.

I ought to thank you because looking up how wildly wrong you are is getting me more excited about landing Love.

Mike

[Sixth Man]

You have to love the supremely deluded "It's better to have Loved and lost, than never to have Loved at all..." crowd.  Without an oral agreement for an extension, it's utter lunacy to trade for KL.  He's proven that he won't stop griping about playing for a non-contender, even after receiving a new contract.  He'll be off to Lakerland after one season (sorry, but Rondo/Bradley/Green/Vitor/Love isn't a contender by any sane measure), with a disillusioned Rondo following right after him.  And that, folks, would be the end of any possible rebuild.

[Sixth Man]

People can't have it both ways. I never thought a player like Love would be interested in joining the Celtic's so I was all for tanking. Even though we didn't tank as hard as I would've liked it still puts us into a great position as acquiring a top 10 player in the NBA which I didn't think would be possible.

How about we stop focusing on Love's one fault; for once a top 10 player WANTS to come to the Celtics, I don't get the hate. This is what we've all be waiting for, so what he isn't the best defender? The dude is one of the best bigs in the game.

Love is not a top 10 player in this league.  Yes he is one of the better scorers and rebounders but he is not overall (offense + defense) a top 10 player.

Top overall 10 right now (not in order)

Lebron
Durant
Westbrook
LMA
George
Chris Paul
Griffin
Anthony Davis
March Gasol
John Wall

The next group of players (not in order)
Joakim Noah
Harden
DHoward
Love
Melo
Curry

basically guys who can either score or play good defense but can't do both.

I don't want to give up the farm on a "weapon".  I will give up the farm on a complete player though. Someone like a LMA.  We need to be patient , plus the 2015 FA is coming out right around the corner.

You really think Paul George is all that? 5th best player in the league? I think that ranking is a sham, TBH.

After his abysmal showing in the playoffs? Plus, I'd question his teamwork....look, even "IF" he doesn't like Lance Stephenson, the dude should go back to Media 101 and talk to LS "In Private" rather than not offer any support to perhaps their 2nd most consistent player in the post-season.

Did you see the Post-Game Presser with George? Just sad...for all his talent I'm not sure I'd want that type of player in BOS...

Hmmm...exactly the same thing Celts fans were saying about Pierce after he did the post-game presser with his head hidden inside a towel...remember?

[Sixth Man]

People can't have it both ways. I never thought a player like Love would be interested in joining the Celtic's so I was all for tanking. Even though we didn't tank as hard as I would've liked it still puts us into a great position as acquiring a top 10 player in the NBA which I didn't think would be possible.

How about we stop focusing on Love's one fault; for once a top 10 player WANTS to come to the Celtics, I don't get the hate. This is what we've all be waiting for, so what he isn't the best defender? The dude is one of the best bigs in the game.

Love is not a top 10 player in this league.  Yes he is one of the better scorers and rebounders but he is not overall (offense + defense) a top 10 player.

Top overall 10 right now (not in order)

Lebron
Durant
Westbrook
LMA
George
Chris Paul
Griffin
Anthony Davis
March Gasol
John Wall

The next group of players (not in order)
Joakim Noah
Harden
DHoward
Love
Melo
Curry

basically guys who can either score or play good defense but can't do both.

I don't want to give up the farm on a "weapon".  I will give up the farm on a complete player though. Someone like a LMA.  We need to be patient , plus the 2015 FA is coming out right around the corner.

You really think Paul George is all that? 5th best player in the league? I think that ranking is a sham, TBH.

After his abysmal showing in the playoffs? Plus, I'd question his teamwork....look, even "IF" he doesn't like Lance Stephenson, the dude should go back to Media 101 and talk to LS "In Private" rather than not offer any support to perhaps their 2nd most consistent player in the post-season.

Did you see the Post-Game Presser with George? Just sad...for all his talent I'm not sure I'd want that type of player in BOS...

You could (and should) easily slot KLove into your 5th spot....don't blame him for Minny's woes.

I stated not in order. And yes george is one of the top players in this league imo . Better two way then love. How is this even argued?

Btw you complain about george but then rather get a guy who is ready to bail out on his team while still is in contract?

BINGO...Love was complaining about the lack of support less than a season removed from receiving his second contract.  He's a very good scorer/rebounder, but he's whiny as hell and as one poster noted earlier, 'soft as tissue paper...' 

Even if you can sign him to a long-term MAX deal (questionable), you then have to come up with a MAX deal to retain Rondo.  That simply won't leave enough cap space to construct a title-contending roster around them.

[GreenFaith1819]

You have to love the supremely deluded "It's better to have Loved and lost, than never to have Loved at all..." crowd.  Without an oral agreement for an extension, it's utter lunacy to trade for KL.  He's proven that he won't stop griping about playing for a non-contender, even after receiving a new contract.  He'll be off to Lakerland after one season (sorry, but Rondo/Bradley/Green/Vitor/Love isn't a contender by any sane measure), with a disillusioned Rondo following right after him.  And that, folks, would be the end of any possible rebuild.

Well, I'm glad that KG griped, complained...to John Thompson, here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ef-f7EeDpYI

And I think that DA has more in store for BOS that just Rondo-Bradley-Green-Vitor-Love.

And why in the world would KLove want to go to LA? Even "IF" he left BOS after a year, Kobe is a year older...Lakers would still have no PG......

I'm guessing that KLove will like his prospects better in BOS.

[GreenFaith1819]

People can't have it both ways. I never thought a player like Love would be interested in joining the Celtic's so I was all for tanking. Even though we didn't tank as hard as I would've liked it still puts us into a great position as acquiring a top 10 player in the NBA which I didn't think would be possible.

How about we stop focusing on Love's one fault; for once a top 10 player WANTS to come to the Celtics, I don't get the hate. This is what we've all be waiting for, so what he isn't the best defender? The dude is one of the best bigs in the game.

Love is not a top 10 player in this league.  Yes he is one of the better scorers and rebounders but he is not overall (offense + defense) a top 10 player.

Top overall 10 right now (not in order)

Lebron
Durant
Westbrook
LMA
George
Chris Paul
Griffin
Anthony Davis
March Gasol
John Wall

The next group of players (not in order)
Joakim Noah
Harden
DHoward
Love
Melo
Curry

basically guys who can either score or play good defense but can't do both.

I don't want to give up the farm on a "weapon".  I will give up the farm on a complete player though. Someone like a LMA.  We need to be patient , plus the 2015 FA is coming out right around the corner.

You really think Paul George is all that? 5th best player in the league? I think that ranking is a sham, TBH.

After his abysmal showing in the playoffs? Plus, I'd question his teamwork....look, even "IF" he doesn't like Lance Stephenson, the dude should go back to Media 101 and talk to LS "In Private" rather than not offer any support to perhaps their 2nd most consistent player in the post-season.

Did you see the Post-Game Presser with George? Just sad...for all his talent I'm not sure I'd want that type of player in BOS...

Hmmm...exactly the same thing Celts fans were saying about Pierce after he did the post-game presser with his head hidden inside a towel...remember?

Let's not move the goalposts, here....we're talking about a supremely talented SF in PG that just doesn't play that way enough to even be in discussion with the league's best.

So what does that make Indy? This was supposed to be their year...All-Star caliber C...PG a year older (and supposedly better)...MIA's supposedly a year older...Dwayne Wade's health supposedly made MIA vulnerable.

PG couldn't sustain dominance.

He just doesn't have the guns to be ranked in Triboys number 5 slot.

And If I remember - Paul Pierce never publicly showed lack of support to Antoine Walker, or any of his teammates.

[Sixth Man]

People can't have it both ways. I never thought a player like Love would be interested in joining the Celtic's so I was all for tanking. Even though we didn't tank as hard as I would've liked it still puts us into a great position as acquiring a top 10 player in the NBA which I didn't think would be possible.

How about we stop focusing on Love's one fault; for once a top 10 player WANTS to come to the Celtics, I don't get the hate. This is what we've all be waiting for, so what he isn't the best defender? The dude is one of the best bigs in the game.

Love is not a top 10 player in this league.  Yes he is one of the better scorers and rebounders but he is not overall (offense + defense) a top 10 player.

Top overall 10 right now (not in order)

Lebron
Durant
Westbrook
LMA
George
Chris Paul
Griffin
Anthony Davis
March Gasol
John Wall

The next group of players (not in order)
Joakim Noah
Harden
DHoward
Love
Melo
Curry

basically guys who can either score or play good defense but can't do both.

I don't want to give up the farm on a "weapon".  I will give up the farm on a complete player though. Someone like a LMA.  We need to be patient , plus the 2015 FA is coming out right around the corner.

You really think Paul George is all that? 5th best player in the league? I think that ranking is a sham, TBH.

After his abysmal showing in the playoffs? Plus, I'd question his teamwork....look, even "IF" he doesn't like Lance Stephenson, the dude should go back to Media 101 and talk to LS "In Private" rather than not offer any support to perhaps their 2nd most consistent player in the post-season.

Did you see the Post-Game Presser with George? Just sad...for all his talent I'm not sure I'd want that type of player in BOS...

Hmmm...exactly the same thing Celts fans were saying about Pierce after he did the post-game presser with his head hidden inside a towel...remember?

Let's not move the goalposts, here....we're talking about a supremely talented SF in PG that just doesn't play that way enough to even be in discussion with the league's best
.

So what does that make Indy? This was supposed to be their year...All-Star caliber C...PG a year older (and supposedly better)...MIA's supposedly a year older...Dwayne Wade's health supposedly made MIA vulnerable.

PG couldn't sustain dominance.

He just doesn't have the guns to be ranked in Triboys number 5 slot.

And If I remember - Paul Pierce never publicly showed lack of support to Antoine Walker, or any of his teammates.

I never addressed the question of PG's level of talent, vis-a-vis other SF's or the league as a whole.  I didn't move those goalposts - I ran right by them.  Looks like you ran right into them, though...

One could make the argument that Love hasn't exactly offered up ringing endorsements of the his teammates (as a squad) in Minny.  But everyone is desperate to see him in Boston.

I think KL is a very nice player, a volume scorer and excellent rebounder.   I would be happy to see him as a Celt, but not for Sully and three 1st rounders (including both of this drafts').  I also am not enough of a dedicated kool-aid drinker to believe that a team with RR and KL maxing out on contracts here will bring another banner to the Gahden.