Does a slow rebuild hurt us as a "destination"?

[Boris Badenov]

I've been going back and forth on whether we should be patient - and possibly be terrible again next year - or whether there's real urgency about a quick rebuild.

A lot of things affect that obviously, but here's a question that might be important. Right now, we seem to be perceived as a place where players want to play. Even guys like Love, Saric etc. who seem to be picky might have us on their short lists.

Is this a temporary thing? If we wait another year, or even two, before the "fireworks" where we swap our assets for stars, will those stars no longer want to come to Boston?

Interested to hear what people think.

[BigAlTheFuture]

I think it does.

I remember back in 07 when KG didn't want to come. Part of the reason was because we were known for losing. Built a bad reputation for the franchise by losing so much the years prior to KG and Allen came.

For guys like Love and Saric, they remember Celtics as the Big 3, going to war with Lebron in the playoffs every year, winning championships, etc.

I think we need to turn this around quickly if we want to be a destination for players.

[Endless Paradise]

Inevitably, but it only hurts you for as long as the rebuild takes.  Washington was terrible for six years and now that they've seen some success, they're now suddenly in the Kevin Love sweepstakes.

[Donoghus]

I think last season was rock bottom and we'll be incrementally better this season regardless of what comes through that door. 

I think the whole real urgency of a rebuild is from a vocal core of fans. Sure, I bet the organization would like a quick turnaround but I'm sure they're prepared for something more drawn out if a solid base plan is in place.   The '07 off-season was much more of an anomaly than the norm in rebuilding in the NBA.  I think some fans got spoiled by that notion and just think Danny can go out and do it again overnight.

If this thing keeps building in an upward trend and the cap room is there, Boston shouldn't be a tough destination.  Money still talks as much as anything else.

[LooseCannon]

Yes.  For almost all big name free agents, winning is more important than weather or taxes in selecting a free agent destination.  If the Celtics want to make a splash in the 2015 free agent market, the priority should be to make the playoffs next season.

[D.o.s.]

I think last season was rock bottom and we'll be incrementally better this season regardless of what comes through that door. 

I think the whole real urgency of a rebuild is from a vocal core of fans. Sure, I bet the organization would like a quick turnaround but I'm sure they're prepared for something more drawn out if a solid base plan is in place.   The '07 off-season was much more of an anomaly than the norm in rebuilding in the NBA.  I think some fans got spoiled by that notion and just think Danny can go out and do it again overnight.

If this thing keeps building in an upward trend and the cap room is there, Boston shouldn't be a tough destination.  Money still talks as much as anything else.

Agreed.

[bearjew]

Celtics have the chance to have a decently quick rebuild with all of the picks we have. We might be down for two or three more years. We have enough picks however to rebuild and make it an attractive to to join.

The objective should be to get rid of what we have now for picks(Rondo, Bass, Green) and get two top 10 picks in back to back drafts(this year and next year) with other picks in the first round as well.

[D.o.s.]

Celtics have the chance to have a decently quick rebuild with all of the picks we have. We might be down for two or three more years. We have enough picks however to rebuild and make it an attractive to to join.

The objective should be to get rid of what we have now for picks(Rondo, Bass, Green) and get two top 10 picks in back to back drafts(this year and next year) with other picks in the first round as well.

Why?

[CoachBo]

I think last season was rock bottom and we'll be incrementally better this season regardless of what comes through that door. 

I think the whole real urgency of a rebuild is from a vocal core of fans. Sure, I bet the organization would like a quick turnaround but I'm sure they're prepared for something more drawn out if a solid base plan is in place.   The '07 off-season was much more of an anomaly than the norm in rebuilding in the NBA.  I think some fans got spoiled by that notion and just think Danny can go out and do it again overnight.

If this thing keeps building in an upward trend and the cap room is there, Boston shouldn't be a tough destination.  Money still talks as much as anything else.

Could not disagree more.

The anomaly is building long-term through the draft.

[CoachBo]

Yes.  For almost all big name free agents, winning is more important than weather or taxes in selecting a free agent destination.  If the Celtics want to make a splash in the 2015 free agent market, the priority should be to make the playoffs next season.

Completely agree, and I'm equally confident that Ainge and Wyc understand that.

[GreenWarrior]

getting free agents to come here is not a priority next yr. or after next yr & beyond unless we do try to do what we did in '07. we will likely trade for whatever players we need. either way though we likely will never go after a big name FA, the FA we'd go after would likely be ones we can use the MLE on.

It just seems like a lot of C's fans have it in their mind that if we do completely blow it up and decide not to build around Rondo & get as many high picks as we can so we can "go young" that we're going to be right back in the playoffs in 3 yrs. Which is only going to happen if we trade these high drafted players that we've accumulated in this scenario. if we decide to keep these players we'll be lucky if we see the playoffs in 6 - 10 yrs.   

[Tr1boy]

Imo who cares if it is or is not. Rebuild properly through the draft. We have a very good coach and assistant coaches to make this rebuild turn out proper.

Sort of tired how everyone wants to be like the cheaters and combine big stars together to try to win.  Rebuilding is the fun part of the process on the road to winning a championship.

[Donoghus]

I think last season was rock bottom and we'll be incrementally better this season regardless of what comes through that door. 

I think the whole real urgency of a rebuild is from a vocal core of fans. Sure, I bet the organization would like a quick turnaround but I'm sure they're prepared for something more drawn out if a solid base plan is in place.   The '07 off-season was much more of an anomaly than the norm in rebuilding in the NBA.  I think some fans got spoiled by that notion and just think Danny can go out and do it again overnight.

If this thing keeps building in an upward trend and the cap room is there, Boston shouldn't be a tough destination.  Money still talks as much as anything else.

Could not disagree more.

The anomaly is building long-term through the draft.

Where did I say the option was building long-term through the draft, either?

2007 was an anomaly.  Best single season turnaround in history plus a championship overnight.   How often has that happened in NBA history?

The rebuild will be through a mix of free agents, trades, and the draft and I doubt something like 2007 happens this time around.

[bearjew]

Celtics have the chance to have a decently quick rebuild with all of the picks we have. We might be down for two or three more years. We have enough picks however to rebuild and make it an attractive to to join.

The objective should be to get rid of what we have now for picks(Rondo, Bass, Green) and get two top 10 picks in back to back drafts(this year and next year) with other picks in the first round as well.

Why?

Unless Danny pulls some crazy magic out of a hat, this team wont be good for a few years. If we blow it up now and get all the value we can get for our vets, we will have high draft picks in two straight drafts and at least 5 firsts in a two year span.

This current team doesnt work, select high round draft choices take 2-3 seasons to build the team through draft and you can compete with young players in a few years who are all on small contracts.

Hopefully Rondo can get you a first in the 10-18 range with maybe a 2nd rounder attached.

10 firsts in five years. Could be more if we trade rondo/bass.

Id rather build the team up and be bad for a couple years then trade a bunch of picks for  Kevin Love and be a 4-5 seed every year.

[Donoghus]

Celtics don't need to keep dumping guys just for the sake of acquiring additional draft picks.  They have plenty of those already.  The oversaturation of draft picks won't help this team.

They will cash in some of these picks through trade packages.  They're not going to use them all.  If they do, this team is in serious trouble for a long time. 

It's about asset acquisition and using them when necessary.  In this instance, through both trades & the draft.  It should be a mix, though.