Does a slow rebuild hurt us as a "destination"?

[SHAQATTACK]

Yes

Dragging your feet is not something that .....people with high motors tolerate .

Careers or playing at ones prime is a short time for most guys.  You want to go to pace where the goal is balls to the wall effort and commitment not to just win....but win a title.

[LooseCannon]

It just seems like a lot of C's fans have it in their mind that if we do completely blow it up and decide not to build around Rondo & get as many high picks as we can so we can "go young" that we're going to be right back in the playoffs in 3 yrs. Which is only going to happen if we trade these high drafted players that we've accumulated in this scenario. if we decide to keep these players we'll be lucky if we see the playoffs in 6 - 10 yrs.

Putting all of your hope in lottery tickets (aka future draft picks) seems like a plan straight out of the manifesto of Elliot Rodger.  We already saw how nuts some people on the forum went when the Celtics failed to land a top three pick.  I can totally see some unhinged person going from ranting about firing Ainge to wanting to fire at Ainge if the Celtics whiff on multiple lotteries.

[wdleehi]

I think the availability of a star (Love) changes the "push" of this offseason.




If they can get him, they push hard to add more "now" pieces.



If they miss out, they may push the other way. 

[CoachBo]

Building a title team quickly through deals - as in 2007 - is woefully miscast as an "anomaly."

It is, in fact, FAR more common a rebuilding mode - whether it be through free agents or trades - than anything involving the alleged "fun" of playing the lottery tickets known as draft picks.

Miami has done it successfully, and I laugh at the characterization of that by the draft-obsessed as "cheating."

Dallas has done it. The Lakers have built a franchise on it. San Antonio seems to be able to retool quite easily around its aging core without bottoming out, as the Celtics seem intent on doing.

And no one has ever said it has to occur in one season. But it can. And it does, too often to warrant the semantic designation of a rarity.

[bearjew]

Celtics don't need to keep dumping guys just for the sake of acquiring additional draft picks.  They have plenty of those already.  The oversaturation of draft picks won't help this team.

They will cash in some of these picks through trade packages.  They're not going to use them all.  If they do, this team is in serious trouble for a long time. 

It's about asset acquisition and using them when necessary.  In this instance, through both trades & the draft.  It should be a mix, though.

Trade rondo because he has been on a serious decline since 2010.

Combine the picks you have in the draft a couple years and move up in the draft.

If you can draft 3-4 guys in the top 10 of each draft for the next few years. You should have a pretty good team to field for a few runs.

By the time this team is a contender again rondo is going to be 31-33. Right when we get good he will be diminishing even further. Get what you can out of him now. He will probably walk in free agency anyways.


What do you want to do? send 2 picks to Minn and sully for K Love and be a 4-6 seed every year collecting draft picks from 18-26 each year that are unlikely to put us over the end rather then just be role players?

[AngryAndIrritable]

An interesting template for a rebuild is what the Rockets have done over the past few years.

They spent many a season just missing out on the playoffs and stockpiling useful assets.

Even though they quite obviously overpaid Lin, it was a statement of intent and the catalyst for obtaining Harden... then Howard.

They haven't done it perfectly by any means (having Lin and Asik on the roster as very overpaid bench players) but keeping hold of all their draft picks and reasonably good young players would have been a recipe for continued mediocrity.

I don't think this is necessary for the Celtics, however. The draw that is Boston should prove a major advantage in attracting free agents. Rebuild too slowly and we risk a decade or more of mediocrity like we suffered in the 90s.

[bearjew]

Building a title team quickly through deals - as in 2007 - is woefully miscast as an "anomaly."

It is, in fact, FAR more common a rebuilding mode - whether it be through free agents or trades - than anything involving the alleged "fun" of playing the lottery tickets known as draft picks.

Miami has done it successfully, and I laugh at the characterization of that by the draft-obsessed as "cheating."

Dallas has done it. The Lakers have built a franchise on it. San Antonio seems to be able to retool quite easily around its aging core without bottoming out, as the Celtics seem intent on doing.

And no one has ever said it has to occur in one season. But it can. And it does, too often to warrant the semantic designation of a rarity.

Miami did it because that is a attractive free agent destination especially with D wade already being there.

Free agents typically dont come to boston. Just trade. The state the celtics are in now, no good free agent is coming here in an obvious rebuild. So rebuild. Use picks wisely. Celtcs have a great chance to have 3-4 top 10 picks in the next 4 years. Take advantage of that.

[Who]

It will last a few years before it ends. I'd say 3 years after the title team is broken up. That seemed to be how long the Pistons were still considered a Championship caliber organization by players around the league. A team you could go to who knew how to win and would give them a chance to play for Championships.

So that should give Ainge another two seasons. Big free agency opportunity then. I think the Celtics organization will still be glowing in the bask of their Championship winning team and ensuing title pursuits at that point.

[D.o.s.]

Building a title team quickly through deals - as in 2007 - is woefully miscast as an "anomaly."

It is, in fact, FAR more common a rebuilding mode - whether it be through free agents or trades - than anything involving the alleged "fun" of playing the lottery tickets known as draft picks.

Miami has done it successfully, and I laugh at the characterization of that by the draft-obsessed as "cheating."

Dallas has done it. The Lakers have built a franchise on it. San Antonio seems to be able to retool quite easily around its aging core without bottoming out, as the Celtics seem intent on doing.

And no one has ever said it has to occur in one season. But it can. And it does, too often to warrant the semantic designation of a rarity.

The Heat snagged LeBron James.
The Spurs had Tim Duncan.
Dallas has Dirk Nowitzki, and in spite of that been on what many here term 'a treadmill of mediocrity' excepting 2011 -- how many people here would be satisfied with a series of first and second round exits?
The Lakers have bottomed out.

Clearly its an easily replicated model. Someone should recommend it to Milwaukee. 

[BballTim]

Celtics don't need to keep dumping guys just for the sake of acquiring additional draft picks.  They have plenty of those already.  The oversaturation of draft picks won't help this team.

They will cash in some of these picks through trade packages.  They're not going to use them all.  If they do, this team is in serious trouble for a long time. 

It's about asset acquisition and using them when necessary.  In this instance, through both trades & the draft.  It should be a mix, though.

Trade rondo because he has been on a serious decline since 2010.

  That explains the multiple all-star teams, being 3rd team all-nba, leading the league in assists multiple times and the historic assist streak during his "serious decline". Hopefully he'll continue to seriously decline in the future, we could use that level of play.

[Celtics4ever]

We don't have nice weather to offer, period.  I love it when folks say Boston is a great free agent destination.    Keep telling yourself that enough it may be true, NOT!   I can only think of 1-2 great signings for the Celtics on the free agent market and they were long ago.

[Donoghus]

We don't have nice weather to offer, period.  I love it when folks say Boston is a great free agent destination.    Keep telling yourself that enough it may be true, NOT!   I can only think of 1-2 great signings for the Celtics on the free agent market and they were long ago.

However, along those same lines, when have the Celtics ever actually had the cap space to make a real free agency splash over the past 20 years or so?

[Donoghus]

Building a title team quickly through deals - as in 2007 - is woefully miscast as an "anomaly."

It is, in fact, FAR more common a rebuilding mode - whether it be through free agents or trades - than anything involving the alleged "fun" of playing the lottery tickets known as draft picks.

Miami has done it successfully, and I laugh at the characterization of that by the draft-obsessed as "cheating."

Dallas has done it. The Lakers have built a franchise on it. San Antonio seems to be able to retool quite easily around its aging core without bottoming out, as the Celtics seem intent on doing.

And no one has ever said it has to occur in one season. But it can. And it does, too often to warrant the semantic designation of a rarity.

The Heat snagged LeBron James.
The Spurs had Tim Duncan.
Dallas has Dirk Nowitzki, and in spite of that been on what many here term 'a treadmill of mediocrity' excepting 2011 -- how many people here would be satisfied with a series of first and second round exits?
The Lakers have bottomed out.

Clearly its an easily replicated model. Someone should recommend it to Milwaukee. 

Silly me,  I should've realized 42 win turnarounds fall out of trees like apples.

[bearjew]

Celtics don't need to keep dumping guys just for the sake of acquiring additional draft picks.  They have plenty of those already.  The oversaturation of draft picks won't help this team.

They will cash in some of these picks through trade packages.  They're not going to use them all.  If they do, this team is in serious trouble for a long time. 

It's about asset acquisition and using them when necessary.  In this instance, through both trades & the draft.  It should be a mix, though.

Trade rondo because he has been on a serious decline since 2010.

  That explains the multiple all-star teams, being 3rd team all-nba, leading the league in assists multiple times and the historic assist streak during his "serious decline". Hopefully he'll continue to seriously decline in the future, we could use that level of play.

His TS% has been in decline and so hasn't his defense. His knee injury is not going to make him better thats for sure. Is he a top playmaker in this league, Yes no question. His defense and his shooting have actually got worse since 2010 look up the stats. He has less steals, and more turnovers. His WS/48 and PER have dropped dramtically.

Trade Rondo now while the team is bad and get max value for him. By the time the rebuild happens rondo will be 31-33 and at the end of his career. If we trade him for picks we can combine picks and trade up for better prospects. Build a good nucleus over next couple seasons and watch everyone develop and we will have a contender if we draft right.

[Future Celtics Owner]

Slow rebuild? We have been in rebuild mode for just one year.  I would like to use these draft picks and actually draft players with them. We do not have the young assets that we did right before the Garnett trade, arguably. Besides picks. We are in a good position just need to make the right choices.