Rondo for Lawson and #11

[Eja117]

I just saw this on the main page and was shocked that it was proposed by a non-Celtics media source (and one who doesn't like Rondo, no less).  Does anyone think this is actually feasible?  If it is I couldn't jump on this deal fast enough.

Throw in a 2nd or two and it becomes very hard to turn this down.

[BballTim]

seems about right.   I think we'd be lucky to get a Top 10 pick for Rondo.  #11 + Lawson makes sense.

  Danny's asking price was supposedly a young emerging star and a draft pick or a couple of unprotected draft picks. I think "we'd be lucky to get a top 10 pick for him" is fairly far-fetched. As for this trade though, what's the point? We get a lesser pg who's almost Rondo's age and has a fairly large salary and a pick that's likely to yield a rotation level player or borderline starter.

You never know what a pick is going to yield. I'd be the devil's advocate here and argue that Lawson will be easier to build with, as he's the more conventional player of the two (has three point range and can score in a pinch).

  You never know what the pick would yield but you still need to have fairly realistic expectations on what you'll get from the player you draft. I generally think that better players are easier to build with.

[MBunge]

seems about right.   I think we'd be lucky to get a Top 10 pick for Rondo.  #11 + Lawson makes sense.

  Danny's asking price was supposedly a young emerging star and a draft pick or a couple of unprotected draft picks. I think "we'd be lucky to get a top 10 pick for him" is fairly far-fetched. As for this trade though, what's the point? We get a lesser pg who's almost Rondo's age and has a fairly large salary and a pick that's likely to yield a rotation level player or borderline starter.

You never know what a pick is going to yield. I'd be the devil's advocate here and argue that Lawson will be easier to build with, as he's the more conventional player of the two (has three point range and can score in a pinch).

Lawson is undersized, missed 17 games or more in 3 of his 5 seasons in the league, his shooting percentage has gone down every single season in the NBA and he's on the books for 11, 12 and 13 million dollars the next 3 seasons.

Pass.

Mike

[BballTim]

seems about right.   I think we'd be lucky to get a Top 10 pick for Rondo.  #11 + Lawson makes sense.

  Danny's asking price was supposedly a young emerging star and a draft pick or a couple of unprotected draft picks. I think "we'd be lucky to get a top 10 pick for him" is fairly far-fetched. As for this trade though, what's the point? We get a lesser pg who's almost Rondo's age and has a fairly large salary and a pick that's likely to yield a rotation level player or borderline starter.

You don't like this trade? Shocker. 

  Sorry for not being in the "any deal that gets Rondo off the roster is worth looking at" club.

I actually think this is one of the better deals I've seen recently, even if it doesn't particularly help us in regards to our two biggest weaknesses right now.

  I saw one a week or two ago where we sent Rondo, Green, probably our pick and more to Houston for Harden, Asik and Parsons. I almost quoted it as an example of a trade I'd think was reasonable for you but then I was distracted and never did it. The fact that it's one of the better deals you've seen recently (I'd agree) kind of makes my point.

[chambers]

seems about right.   I think we'd be lucky to get a Top 10 pick for Rondo.  #11 + Lawson makes sense.

  Danny's asking price was supposedly a young emerging star and a draft pick or a couple of unprotected draft picks. I think "we'd be lucky to get a top 10 pick for him" is fairly far-fetched. As for this trade though, what's the point? We get a lesser pg who's almost Rondo's age and has a fairly large salary and a pick that's likely to yield a rotation level player or borderline starter.

You don't like this trade? Shocker. 

  Sorry for not being in the "any deal that gets Rondo off the roster is worth looking at" club.

Lawson's a pretty awesome point guard on both ends of the floor.
If we say that the 11th pick this year is similar to a 5th or 6th pick in other years it's decent value for a player in the last year of their deal.
Lawson per 36:  17.6 points and 8.8 assists,1.6 steals ,3.4 rebounds
Rondo per 36 (last healthy season 2013:) 13.2 points, 10.6 assists, 1.3 steals, 5.4 rebounds

Rondo's the better player but Lawson is very close and considering who could be had with the 11th pick it's not a throw away suggestion.

[celticsfan8591]

seems about right.   I think we'd be lucky to get a Top 10 pick for Rondo.  #11 + Lawson makes sense.

  Danny's asking price was supposedly a young emerging star and a draft pick or a couple of unprotected draft picks. I think "we'd be lucky to get a top 10 pick for him" is fairly far-fetched. As for this trade though, what's the point? We get a lesser pg who's almost Rondo's age and has a fairly large salary and a pick that's likely to yield a rotation level player or borderline starter.

You never know what a pick is going to yield. I'd be the devil's advocate here and argue that Lawson will be easier to build with, as he's the more conventional player of the two (has three point range and can score in a pinch).

I agree with this.  I wouldn't trade Rondo for Lawson straight up because he's just a better player but the talent difference is somewhat offset by the additional flexibility you get with Lawson.  Also, in addition to being a bit younger, Lawson's game will probably age better since he can actually make shots.  Once Rondo's quickness goes his effectiveness is going to fall off a cliff.  I don't think it's far fetched to say that Lawson will be a better player in 5 years, and that's  when we're likely to be a contender.

[Moranis]

no, Rondo is worth at least a top 5 pick in my honest opinion, maybe I am overrating him, but I think we can get more value than Lawson + 11

Yah you are. Lawson + 11 is a good haul for Rondo

Agreed.

I really don't want to trade Rondo at all, but this is about as good as you would get and it's nothing to sneeze at. Maybe Ainge could get a small sweetner added by I'm not sure.

Lawson just came off a 17.6 points, 8.8 assists, and 1.6 steals season and is only 26. Locked up for a long time and one of the fastest guards in the league.

I wouldn't be able to get behind this trade. Lawson puts up some decent numbers but he is not a championship caliber point guard. Him and whoever we pick at 11 just puts us in mediocrity for 4 to 5 years and then we'll have to just rebuild all over again. Don't like it.

you mean championship caliber PG's like Mario Chalmers, Steve Kerr, Derek Fisher, etc.

[gpap]

I think that's a good return for Rondo.

I also think Denver could be a very good trading partner for the Celts because they have 3 centers (McGee, Hickson, Mozgov) and need another wing as Gallinari will miss the beginning of 14-15 (I believe.)

So, maybe the Celts could also throw in Green and receive one of the 3 big men from Denver in return in this proposed trade.

Personally, I've always liked JJ Hickson.

[Evantime34]

This is a fair deal but I prefer Rondo to this package. If this was offered and ended up the deal being made I wouldn't be upset but i'd rather not make this trade.

I think Lawson is more consistent but Rondo has the ability to up his game on the biggest stages. I also think Rondo once healthy will be a much better defender than Lawson.

If we are going to trade Rondo for picks to completely blow it up, then I don't want Lawson's salary on the books. If we decide to deal him, I think Sarcamento could pay more as could the Lakers.

My first choice would be to keep him, and bring in another veteran around him to compete now. my second choice would be bringing in rookies, hope Rondo is healthy and the young players develop to the point that they can make the playoffs next year then go hard after free agents in 2015. My least favorite outcome is trading Rondo, but if that is what happens then I hope we go with a package from Sacramento.

[BballTim]

seems about right.   I think we'd be lucky to get a Top 10 pick for Rondo.  #11 + Lawson makes sense.

  Danny's asking price was supposedly a young emerging star and a draft pick or a couple of unprotected draft picks. I think "we'd be lucky to get a top 10 pick for him" is fairly far-fetched. As for this trade though, what's the point? We get a lesser pg who's almost Rondo's age and has a fairly large salary and a pick that's likely to yield a rotation level player or borderline starter.

You don't like this trade? Shocker. 

  Sorry for not being in the "any deal that gets Rondo off the roster is worth looking at" club.

Lawson's a pretty awesome point guard on both ends of the floor.
If we say that the 11th pick this year is similar to a 5th or 6th pick in other years it's decent value for a player in the last year of their deal.
Lawson per 36:  17.6 points and 8.8 assists,1.6 steals ,3.4 rebounds
Rondo per 36 (last healthy season 2013:) 13.2 points, 10.6 assists, 1.3 steals, 5.4 rebounds

Rondo's the better player but Lawson is very close and considering who could be had with the 11th pick it's not a throw away suggestion.

  If we say the 11th pick is like a top 2 pick in any other year it sounds even better. Over the course of the season the draft went from being chock full of superstars and franchise cornerstones to being somewhat unexciting if you don't get one of the top 4 picks, all of whom seem to come with question marks. I don't think it's a given that the 11th pick will be better than KO, who was picked (IIRC) in that same spot last year.

[BballTim]

seems about right.   I think we'd be lucky to get a Top 10 pick for Rondo.  #11 + Lawson makes sense.

  Danny's asking price was supposedly a young emerging star and a draft pick or a couple of unprotected draft picks. I think "we'd be lucky to get a top 10 pick for him" is fairly far-fetched. As for this trade though, what's the point? We get a lesser pg who's almost Rondo's age and has a fairly large salary and a pick that's likely to yield a rotation level player or borderline starter.

You never know what a pick is going to yield. I'd be the devil's advocate here and argue that Lawson will be easier to build with, as he's the more conventional player of the two (has three point range and can score in a pinch).

I agree with this.  I wouldn't trade Rondo for Lawson straight up because he's just a better player but the talent difference is somewhat offset by the additional flexibility you get with Lawson.  Also, in addition to being a bit younger, Lawson's game will probably age better since he can actually make shots.  Once Rondo's quickness goes his effectiveness is going to fall off a cliff.  I don't think it's far fetched to say that Lawson will be a better player in 5 years, and that's  when we're likely to be a contender.

  Rondo's game will age better because so much of it is based on a high bbiq, great court vision and great passing skills. Lawson's game is much more likely to fall off a cliff than Rondo's. If Rondo couldn't get by without his quickness he never would have been able to put up decent numbers when he was recovering from knee surgery.

[Rakulp]

Only if Rondo declares he definitely isn't staying in Boston do I entertain ANY trade talk for him.

Even then, I believe he has much more value than this to a team that is close to contending.

Rak

[Fafnir]

I'll never understand the desire to downgrade somewhat at PG and get one extra asset in these trades.

Either trade up like Danny tried with CP3 or trade way down for potential stars or a plethora of picks.

[kozlodoev]

I'll never understand the desire to downgrade somewhat at PG and get one extra asset in these trades.

I'm not eager, but at some point you have to consider it, having in mind how long the list of requirements for players that supposedly should fit well with Rondo is getting.

[D.o.s.]

seems about right.   I think we'd be lucky to get a Top 10 pick for Rondo.  #11 + Lawson makes sense.

  Danny's asking price was supposedly a young emerging star and a draft pick or a couple of unprotected draft picks. I think "we'd be lucky to get a top 10 pick for him" is fairly far-fetched. As for this trade though, what's the point? We get a lesser pg who's almost Rondo's age and has a fairly large salary and a pick that's likely to yield a rotation level player or borderline starter.

You don't like this trade? Shocker. 

  Sorry for not being in the "any deal that gets Rondo off the roster is worth looking at" club.

I actually think this is one of the better deals I've seen recently, even if it doesn't particularly help us in regards to our two biggest weaknesses right now.

  I saw one a week or two ago where we sent Rondo, Green, probably our pick and more to Houston for Harden, Asik and Parsons. I almost quoted it as an example of a trade I'd think was reasonable for you but then I was distracted and never did it. The fact that it's one of the better deals you've seen recently (I'd agree) kind of makes my point.

Yeah that's probably the best of the lot. I don't like it, though.