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Re: Rondo for Lawson and #11
« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2014, 04:47:17 AM »

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seems about right.   I think we'd be lucky to get a Top 10 pick for Rondo.  #11 + Lawson makes sense.

Re: Rondo for Lawson and #11
« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2014, 05:08:04 AM »

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Don't particularly want to see Rondo go, but Lawson is a pretty capable, cost effective replacement and 11 is a pretty good spot to be picking from, especially if other picks get traded.

Re: Rondo for Lawson and #11
« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2014, 05:17:05 AM »

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In terms of value, I think we'd have to do this trade if we don't get Love.

Re: Rondo for Lawson and #11
« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2014, 07:29:01 AM »

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Wow good trade proposal..it depends what direction the Celtics are heading..rebuilding or try and win now...if u try and win now, a lot of players would want Rondo on the Celtics..i imagine Love would...or if u rebuilding, #6, #11, #17 plus Lawson would be a great start
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Re: Rondo for Lawson and #11
« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2014, 07:43:32 AM »

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seems about right.   I think we'd be lucky to get a Top 10 pick for Rondo.  #11 + Lawson makes sense.

  Danny's asking price was supposedly a young emerging star and a draft pick or a couple of unprotected draft picks. I think "we'd be lucky to get a top 10 pick for him" is fairly far-fetched. As for this trade though, what's the point? We get a lesser pg who's almost Rondo's age and has a fairly large salary and a pick that's likely to yield a rotation level player or borderline starter.

Re: Rondo for Lawson and #11
« Reply #20 on: May 30, 2014, 07:47:51 AM »

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no, Rondo is worth at least a top 5 pick in my honest opinion, maybe I am overrating him, but I think we can get more value than Lawson + 11

Yah you are. Lawson + 11 is a good haul for Rondo

Agreed.

I really don't want to trade Rondo at all, but this is about as good as you would get and it's nothing to sneeze at. Maybe Ainge could get a small sweetner added by I'm not sure.

Lawson just came off a 17.6 points, 8.8 assists, and 1.6 steals season and is only 26. Locked up for a long time and one of the fastest guards in the league.

I wouldn't be able to get behind this trade. Lawson puts up some decent numbers but he is not a championship caliber point guard. Him and whoever we pick at 11 just puts us in mediocrity for 4 to 5 years and then we'll have to just rebuild all over again. Don't like it.
Lawson can definitely be a championship point guard.  I mean, Derrick Fisher is a championship point guard.  Lawson would not be the weak link holding a team back.  Take the Pacers... if the Turner trade was not made and Bynum was able to play, replacing Hill with Lawson gives them as good a shot at a title as any team in the league.

Re: Rondo for Lawson and #11
« Reply #21 on: May 30, 2014, 07:53:45 AM »

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no, Rondo is worth at least a top 5 pick in my honest opinion, maybe I am overrating him, but I think we can get more value than Lawson + 11

Yah you are. Lawson + 11 is a good haul for Rondo

Agreed.

I really don't want to trade Rondo at all, but this is about as good as you would get and it's nothing to sneeze at. Maybe Ainge could get a small sweetner added by I'm not sure.

Lawson just came off a 17.6 points, 8.8 assists, and 1.6 steals season and is only 26. Locked up for a long time and one of the fastest guards in the league.

I wouldn't be able to get behind this trade. Lawson puts up some decent numbers but he is not a championship caliber point guard. Him and whoever we pick at 11 just puts us in mediocrity for 4 to 5 years and then we'll have to just rebuild all over again. Don't like it.
Lawson can definitely be a championship point guard.  I mean, Derrick Fisher is a championship point guard.  Lawson would not be the weak link holding a team back.  Take the Pacers... if the Turner trade was not made and Bynum was able to play, replacing Hill with Lawson gives them as good a shot at a title as any team in the league.

  Bynum being able to play would probably make more of a difference than Lawson in that scenario.

Re: Rondo for Lawson and #11
« Reply #22 on: May 30, 2014, 07:56:04 AM »

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no, Rondo is worth at least a top 5 pick in my honest opinion, maybe I am overrating him, but I think we can get more value than Lawson + 11

Yah you are. Lawson + 11 is a good haul for Rondo

Agreed.

I really don't want to trade Rondo at all, but this is about as good as you would get and it's nothing to sneeze at. Maybe Ainge could get a small sweetner added by I'm not sure.

Lawson just came off a 17.6 points, 8.8 assists, and 1.6 steals season and is only 26. Locked up for a long time and one of the fastest guards in the league.

I wouldn't be able to get behind this trade. Lawson puts up some decent numbers but he is not a championship caliber point guard. Him and whoever we pick at 11 just puts us in mediocrity for 4 to 5 years and then we'll have to just rebuild all over again. Don't like it.
Lawson can definitely be a championship point guard.  I mean, Derrick Fisher is a championship point guard.  Lawson would not be the weak link holding a team back.  Take the Pacers... if the Turner trade was not made and Bynum was able to play, replacing Hill with Lawson gives them as good a shot at a title as any team in the league.

  Bynum being able to play would probably make more of a difference than Lawson in that scenario.

I'm quite pro-Rondo and wouldn't do this trade but Lawson is pretty darn good.

At least a notch above Hill.

Are people knocking him for being 5'10?

Re: Rondo for Lawson and #11
« Reply #23 on: May 30, 2014, 08:33:31 AM »

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Lawson's a good PG and the #11 should yield a starter-quality player from this draft but I don't see Lawson or whoever we got at #11 as a draw for other prime players to join AND I don't see either as the type of player that can take over a playoff game like Rondo can. 

As for Rondo being a FA after next year, so what.  it's to his financial advantage to wait so he can get the most $ for the most years.  just common sense for him.  no other team would be able to match what Danny could offer.  Rondo has mentioned how much he loves the Boston fans and playing in Boston as well as having a favorable opinion of the team's management.  I think that will play a significant part in being able to resign him next year.  As long as he sees the team making sensible steps back to contention, I think he stays.

Re: Rondo for Lawson and #11
« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2014, 08:41:48 AM »

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no, Rondo is worth at least a top 5 pick in my honest opinion, maybe I am overrating him, but I think we can get more value than Lawson + 11

Yah you are. Lawson + 11 is a good haul for Rondo

Agreed.

I really don't want to trade Rondo at all, but this is about as good as you would get and it's nothing to sneeze at. Maybe Ainge could get a small sweetner added by I'm not sure.

Lawson just came off a 17.6 points, 8.8 assists, and 1.6 steals season and is only 26. Locked up for a long time and one of the fastest guards in the league.

I wouldn't be able to get behind this trade. Lawson puts up some decent numbers but he is not a championship caliber point guard. Him and whoever we pick at 11 just puts us in mediocrity for 4 to 5 years and then we'll have to just rebuild all over again. Don't like it.
Lawson can definitely be a championship point guard.  I mean, Derrick Fisher is a championship point guard.  Lawson would not be the weak link holding a team back.  Take the Pacers... if the Turner trade was not made and Bynum was able to play, replacing Hill with Lawson gives them as good a shot at a title as any team in the league.

  Bynum being able to play would probably make more of a difference than Lawson in that scenario.

Yeah. And also a what if, hypothetical scenario like this just doesn't makes sense cause you can make anything up in this situation. With Hill, the Pacers already have as good a shot at a title, more so than 26 other teams in the league. Replace Hill with Lawson and they are still in that same spot. Replace Hill with Rondo and they are probably better off. Place Lawson on this years Celtics teams and we win what, maybe one or two more games? If that?

Lawson just doesn't have the "it" factor to me. Is he solid? Sure. He puts up consistent numbers stat wise every year, he has his monster games...But so does Jeff Green and look at how that works out for him on this board.

I just don't see how trading our championship, all star point guard for a worse point guard and another questionable asset helps us all that much. We have enough assets already. Use those to build around what we have. Putting a lineup of Lawson, Bradley, Green, Sully, KO and a bench of #6, #11, #17 and Gerald Wallace might be fun to watch for 4 to 5 years (might) but then what? That's not a championship contending team no matter how much these dude's grow and what potential they reach.

Re: Rondo for Lawson and #11
« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2014, 08:56:54 AM »

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I think this move would be if we couldn't land Love.

Mix this with the Orland trade that was being talked about on the 76ers trading MCW to get Exum thread you could have the beginnings of a nice young team building it OCK style.

Lawson
Young or Stauskas with the 11th
Parker with the 3rd
Sully
Fav or who ever you could get in a trade with the TE or Greens' contract.

But if we land Love I don't see this working on keeping Love to resign having a good PG and a Rookie SG to make a start a contender. But who knows, it could work.

Re: Rondo for Lawson and #11
« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2014, 09:23:04 AM »

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seems about right.   I think we'd be lucky to get a Top 10 pick for Rondo.  #11 + Lawson makes sense.

  Danny's asking price was supposedly a young emerging star and a draft pick or a couple of unprotected draft picks. I think "we'd be lucky to get a top 10 pick for him" is fairly far-fetched. As for this trade though, what's the point? We get a lesser pg who's almost Rondo's age and has a fairly large salary and a pick that's likely to yield a rotation level player or borderline starter.

You don't like this trade? Shocker.  ;D
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Re: Rondo for Lawson and #11
« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2014, 09:25:40 AM »

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seems about right.   I think we'd be lucky to get a Top 10 pick for Rondo.  #11 + Lawson makes sense.

  Danny's asking price was supposedly a young emerging star and a draft pick or a couple of unprotected draft picks. I think "we'd be lucky to get a top 10 pick for him" is fairly far-fetched. As for this trade though, what's the point? We get a lesser pg who's almost Rondo's age and has a fairly large salary and a pick that's likely to yield a rotation level player or borderline starter.

You don't like this trade? Shocker.  ;D

  Sorry for not being in the "any deal that gets Rondo off the roster is worth looking at" club.

Re: Rondo for Lawson and #11
« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2014, 09:33:15 AM »

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seems about right.   I think we'd be lucky to get a Top 10 pick for Rondo.  #11 + Lawson makes sense.

  Danny's asking price was supposedly a young emerging star and a draft pick or a couple of unprotected draft picks. I think "we'd be lucky to get a top 10 pick for him" is fairly far-fetched. As for this trade though, what's the point? We get a lesser pg who's almost Rondo's age and has a fairly large salary and a pick that's likely to yield a rotation level player or borderline starter.
You never know what a pick is going to yield. I'd be the devil's advocate here and argue that Lawson will be easier to build with, as he's the more conventional player of the two (has three point range and can score in a pinch).
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Re: Rondo for Lawson and #11
« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2014, 09:37:29 AM »

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seems about right.   I think we'd be lucky to get a Top 10 pick for Rondo.  #11 + Lawson makes sense.

  Danny's asking price was supposedly a young emerging star and a draft pick or a couple of unprotected draft picks. I think "we'd be lucky to get a top 10 pick for him" is fairly far-fetched. As for this trade though, what's the point? We get a lesser pg who's almost Rondo's age and has a fairly large salary and a pick that's likely to yield a rotation level player or borderline starter.

You don't like this trade? Shocker.  ;D

  Sorry for not being in the "any deal that gets Rondo off the roster is worth looking at" club.

I actually think this is one of the better deals I've seen recently, even if it doesn't particularly help us in regards to our two biggest weaknesses right now.
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