Sullinger and Green for the 5th pick trade idea

[kozlodoev]

The Jazz are arguably giving up the two best assets in that trade, depending upon how high you are on Kanter.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to land Kanter, but the only way I see this happening is something like Kanter and the 23rd for Faverani, Bogans, and the 6th -- and this doesn't work on the trade machine.

Another really interesting trade idea for Kanter.

I think the 6th pick for Kanter is good value for Utah. If Ainge wasn't wild about players in draft or didn't want another PF, trade for Kanter (C). Young, talented, fills a void.

My take is that the Jazz have kind of soured on Kanter  this season, since their best lineups seemed to be with Favors at C and Kanter on the bench. So he may be available for the 6th (you'll have to throw in someone like Malcolm Thomas in the above trade for the numbers to work).

The question is whether we should be worried about how hard Kanter plateaued last season. He looks like he'd be an NBA player, but he's not going to be a great rebounder, shotblocker, or scorer, so we may still end up giving up a high pick for someone who'd just be "ok".

[Geo123]

Yeah, dream on.

Not even a remote chance of happening.  That would probably be the last call the Jazz would ever answer from Ainge

[Sketch5]

I think I'd rather use the 6th and Sully and filler for Love than have three rookies on the floor/bench.

Rondo would surly bolt next summer, and that would mean DA would get pennies on the dollar for him by the trade deadline with teams knowing this.

Now if you were talking a #3 and getting a Wiggins or Parker with that pick, than you'd have some thing to build around with young talent. But Randle,Smart, and even Exum are just too unknown to get super young and loose Rondo the next summer.

[nickagneta]

To Jazz:     Sullinger, Green, 17th pick
To Celtics: 5th pick, Kanter, Lucas, Evans

Reason Jazz do the trade:  Sullinger and Burke are best of buddies. The team can use a legit pf to play with Favors upfront.  The team is missing a SF to start for next season.   Better chance for the Jazz to make the playoffs by making this trade than to continue to rebuild

Reason Celts do the trade: Bc of KO, Sullinger is expandable.   Green has been a disappointment and might need a change of scenery/less pressure environment.    Celtics get a decent Center who can still get better. But also the important 5th pick

The Draft

5th pick: Gordon
6th pick: Smart

Lineup

C - Kanter
PF - KO
SF - Gordon
SG - Smart
PG- Rondo

Or if we draft Gordon and Randle

C - KO (anticipating he puts on 10-12 pounds of muscle)
PF - Randle
SF - Gordon
SG - ?
PG - Rondo

thoughts?

Dude, I get you love youth but sooner or later you need to learn two valuable lessons, youth in the NBA does not win and excessive youth on a team can doom you to the lottery for years on end.

There are exceptions but you don't make business decisions based on attempting to create the exception to the rule. That's dumb business.

[Evantime34]

To Jazz:     Sullinger, Green, 17th pick
To Celtics: 5th pick, Kanter, Lucas, Evans

Reason Jazz do the trade:  Sullinger and Burke are best of buddies. The team can use a legit pf to play with Favors upfront.  The team is missing a SF to start for next season.   Better chance for the Jazz to make the playoffs by making this trade than to continue to rebuild

Reason Celts do the trade: Bc of KO, Sullinger is expandable.   Green has been a disappointment and might need a change of scenery/less pressure environment.    Celtics get a decent Center who can still get better. But also the important 5th pick

The Draft

5th pick: Gordon
6th pick: Smart

Lineup

C - Kanter
PF - KO
SF - Gordon
SG - Smart
PG- Rondo

Or if we draft Gordon and Randle

C - KO (anticipating he puts on 10-12 pounds of muscle)
PF - Randle
SF - Gordon
SG - ?
PG - Rondo

thoughts?

Dude, I get you love youth but sooner or later you need to learn two valuable lessons, youth in the NBA does not win and excessive youth on a team can doom you to the lottery for years on end.

There are exceptions but you don't make business decisions based on attempting to create the exception to the rule. That's dumb business.

Honestly value wise that looks to be a homerun for us. Even if we aren't getting the experience we need to win immediately, a trade like that improves our talent base so I don't see why we wouldn't do it (at the same time I'm not sure why the Jazz would give up the 5th pick in that deal).

[Tr1boy]

To Jazz:     Sullinger, Green, 17th pick
To Celtics: 5th pick, Kanter, Lucas, Evans

Reason Jazz do the trade:  Sullinger and Burke are best of buddies. The team can use a legit pf to play with Favors upfront.  The team is missing a SF to start for next season.   Better chance for the Jazz to make the playoffs by making this trade than to continue to rebuild

Reason Celts do the trade: Bc of KO, Sullinger is expandable.   Green has been a disappointment and might need a change of scenery/less pressure environment.    Celtics get a decent Center who can still get better. But also the important 5th pick

The Draft

5th pick: Gordon
6th pick: Smart

Lineup

C - Kanter
PF - KO
SF - Gordon
SG - Smart
PG- Rondo

Or if we draft Gordon and Randle

C - KO (anticipating he puts on 10-12 pounds of muscle)
PF - Randle
SF - Gordon
SG - ?
PG - Rondo

thoughts?

Dude, I get you love youth but sooner or later you need to learn two valuable lessons, youth in the NBA does not win and excessive youth on a team can doom you to the lottery for years on end.

There are exceptions but you don't make business decisions based on attempting to create the exception to the rule. That's dumb business.

Honestly value wise that looks to be a homerun for us. Even if we aren't getting the experience we need to win immediately, a trade like that improves our talent base so I don't see why we wouldn't do it (at the same time I'm not sure why the Jazz would give up the 5th pick in that deal).

exactly. I don't care about business, popularity etc. Only thing is to win.  Getting Smart and Gordon in a few years could propel the Celts to be one of the top teams in the east.  A team tha thats has a chance to get to the finals

I don't know why some ppl are so fixated with the short term. Getting Love and even Asik does nothing for the Celts in terms of a chance to win it all.   By the time Love is 30, Gordon will prob be dunking on him/outplaying him

This is a big draft.  Its a good opportunity to take adv of it if possible

[knuckleballer]

To Jazz:     Sullinger, Green, 17th pick
To Celtics: 5th pick, Kanter, Lucas, Evans

Reason Jazz do the trade:  Sullinger and Burke are best of buddies. The team can use a legit pf to play with Favors upfront.  The team is missing a SF to start for next season.   Better chance for the Jazz to make the playoffs by making this trade than to continue to rebuild

Reason Celts do the trade: Bc of KO, Sullinger is expandable.   Green has been a disappointment and might need a change of scenery/less pressure environment.    Celtics get a decent Center who can still get better. But also the important 5th pick

The Draft

5th pick: Gordon
6th pick: Smart

Lineup

C - Kanter
PF - KO
SF - Gordon
SG - Smart
PG- Rondo

Or if we draft Gordon and Randle

C - KO (anticipating he puts on 10-12 pounds of muscle)
PF - Randle
SF - Gordon
SG - ?
PG - Rondo

thoughts?

I agree with the bolded part of this post.

[Tr1boy]

To Jazz:     Sullinger, Green, 17th pick
To Celtics: 5th pick, Kanter, Lucas, Evans

Reason Jazz do the trade:  Sullinger and Burke are best of buddies. The team can use a legit pf to play with Favors upfront.  The team is missing a SF to start for next season.   Better chance for the Jazz to make the playoffs by making this trade than to continue to rebuild

Reason Celts do the trade: Bc of KO, Sullinger is expandable.   Green has been a disappointment and might need a change of scenery/less pressure environment.    Celtics get a decent Center who can still get better. But also the important 5th pick

The Draft

5th pick: Gordon
6th pick: Smart

Lineup

C - Kanter
PF - KO
SF - Gordon
SG - Smart
PG- Rondo

Or if we draft Gordon and Randle

C - KO (anticipating he puts on 10-12 pounds of muscle)
PF - Randle
SF - Gordon
SG - ?
PG - Rondo

thoughts?

I agree with the bolded part of this post.

and Kanter is expandable for the Jazz. They already have Gobert that can be the backup

For that team whats the point of having all three?? Its incredibly wasteful and makes the lineup unbalanced

[Evantime34]

To Jazz:     Sullinger, Green, 17th pick
To Celtics: 5th pick, Kanter, Lucas, Evans

Reason Jazz do the trade:  Sullinger and Burke are best of buddies. The team can use a legit pf to play with Favors upfront.  The team is missing a SF to start for next season.   Better chance for the Jazz to make the playoffs by making this trade than to continue to rebuild

Reason Celts do the trade: Bc of KO, Sullinger is expandable.   Green has been a disappointment and might need a change of scenery/less pressure environment.    Celtics get a decent Center who can still get better. But also the important 5th pick

The Draft

5th pick: Gordon
6th pick: Smart

Lineup

C - Kanter
PF - KO
SF - Gordon
SG - Smart
PG- Rondo

Or if we draft Gordon and Randle

C - KO (anticipating he puts on 10-12 pounds of muscle)
PF - Randle
SF - Gordon
SG - ?
PG - Rondo

thoughts?

Dude, I get you love youth but sooner or later you need to learn two valuable lessons, youth in the NBA does not win and excessive youth on a team can doom you to the lottery for years on end.

There are exceptions but you don't make business decisions based on attempting to create the exception to the rule. That's dumb business.

Honestly value wise that looks to be a homerun for us. Even if we aren't getting the experience we need to win immediately, a trade like that improves our talent base so I don't see why we wouldn't do it (at the same time I'm not sure why the Jazz would give up the 5th pick in that deal).

exactly. I don't care about business, popularity etc. Only thing is to win.  Getting Smart and Gordon in a few years could propel the Celts to be one of the top teams in the east.  A team tha thats has a chance to get to the finals

I don't know why some ppl are so fixated with the short term. Getting Love and even Asik does nothing for the Celts in terms of a chance to win it all.   By the time Love is 30, Gordon will prob be dunking on him/outplaying him

This is a big draft.  Its a good opportunity to take adv of it if possible

Don't get me wrong, I would much rather have Love.

Love is only 25, so it's not like getting him is a short term fix. I think bringing him in with Rondo would attract some top level talent, add that to whatever picks we have left after the trades and moving Love is the first step towards competing for a championship.

[knuckleballer]

To Jazz:     Sullinger, Green, 17th pick
To Celtics: 5th pick, Kanter, Lucas, Evans

Reason Jazz do the trade:  Sullinger and Burke are best of buddies. The team can use a legit pf to play with Favors upfront.  The team is missing a SF to start for next season.   Better chance for the Jazz to make the playoffs by making this trade than to continue to rebuild

Reason Celts do the trade: Bc of KO, Sullinger is expandable.   Green has been a disappointment and might need a change of scenery/less pressure environment.    Celtics get a decent Center who can still get better. But also the important 5th pick

The Draft

5th pick: Gordon
6th pick: Smart

Lineup

C - Kanter
PF - KO
SF - Gordon
SG - Smart
PG- Rondo

Or if we draft Gordon and Randle

C - KO (anticipating he puts on 10-12 pounds of muscle)
PF - Randle
SF - Gordon
SG - ?
PG - Rondo

thoughts?

I agree with the bolded part of this post.

and Kanter is expandable for the Jazz. They already have Gobert that can be the backup

For that team whats the point of having all three?? Its incredibly wasteful and makes the lineup unbalanced

I was just making a joke about the typo.  I'm sure you meant expendable, not expandable.  Perhaps a Freudian slip. 

[Smokeeye123]

Am i the only one who thinks sullinger is better than gordon anyways? If gordon is better by how much, 5%? Seems like a lateral move...

[Donoghus]

Am i the only one who thinks sullinger is better than gordon anyways? If gordon is better by how much, 5%? Seems like a lateral move...

He's certainly better than him right now and already has NBA experience which always helps on a roster.

The question is what you think Gordon's long term prospects & ceiling are.  Is it higher than Sullinger's?

Like I mentioned earlier, if I'm moving 2 already established talents like Sully & Green, I'm expanding the package and going after another veteran (albeit better) presence.

Not blowing those two on the "allure of potential" of another 2014 first rounder.

[Irish Stew]

The two things that stood out about your interesting trade proposal are 1) nobody wants Green's contract. The Celtics don't want it. Why would the Jazz? It was a mistake that Ainge is probably just going to have to live with. 2) The players you wanted to draft are probably the two worst shooters for their positions among the high level draft prospects. Your proposed starting lineup with Rondo, Gordon, and Smart would be a historically bad shooting team.

[Celtics18]

The Jazz are arguably giving up the two best assets in that trade, depending upon how high you are on Kanter.

I think Sully and Kanter are pretty much a wash.

[Future Celtics Owner]

not high on Kanter becoming anything more than a career backup if he's lucky.  Sully and Green are at least productive players.

Kanter is as productive now as Sully is, isn't he?

Just about but Sully get barely more points and rebounds I think. I would have thought Kanter could get at least a block a game but nope reb and points only.