Sullinger and Green for the 5th pick trade idea

[Tr1boy]

To Jazz:     Sullinger, Green, 17th pick
To Celtics: 5th pick, Kanter, Lucas, Evans

Reason Jazz do the trade:  Sullinger and Burke are best of buddies. The team can use a legit pf to play with Favors upfront.  The team is missing a SF to start for next season.   Better chance for the Jazz to make the playoffs by making this trade than to continue to rebuild

Reason Celts do the trade: Bc of KO, Sullinger is expandable.   Green has been a disappointment and might need a change of scenery/less pressure environment.    Celtics get a decent Center who can still get better. But also the important 5th pick

The Draft

5th pick: Gordon
6th pick: Smart

Lineup

C - Kanter
PF - KO
SF - Gordon
SG - Smart
PG- Rondo

Or if we draft Gordon and Randle

C - KO (anticipating he puts on 10-12 pounds of muscle)
PF - Randle
SF - Gordon
SG - ?
PG - Rondo

thoughts?

[kozlodoev]

Yeah, dream on.

[Roy H.]

The Jazz are arguably giving up the two best assets in that trade, depending upon how high you are on Kanter.

[D.o.s.]

I agree with Koz and Roy.

[Donoghus]

If I'm moving Sullinger & Green, I'd rather do it as part of a package for an established veteran than for an additional 1st rounder in this year's draft and Utah's probably not doing that deal anyways.,   

Neither one of those proposed lineups would do anything for years.

[slamtheking]

If I'm moving Sullinger & Green, I'd rather do it as part of a package for an established veteran than for an additional 1st rounder in this year's draft and Utah's probably not doing that deal anyways.,   

Neither one of those proposed lineups would do anything for years.

agreed. 

not high on Kanter becoming anything more than a career backup if he's lucky.  Sully and Green are at least productive players.  to me, the deal is essentially Sully, Green and #17 (which is projected to be a good bench player or borderline starter from this draft) for #5 (which is projected to be a solid starter depending on who's picked) and Kanter (who I've stated my opinion of). 

not worth it for me.  if I make that trade it's in a package for Love or another top all-star player that can produce what those guys would produce combined.

[Roy H.]

not high on Kanter becoming anything more than a career backup if he's lucky.  Sully and Green are at least productive players.

Kanter is as productive now as Sully is, isn't he? 

[Tr1boy]

If I'm moving Sullinger & Green, I'd rather do it as part of a package for an established veteran than for an additional 1st rounder in this year's draft and Utah's probably not doing that deal anyways.,   

Neither one of those proposed lineups would do anything for years.

agreed. 

not high on Kanter becoming anything more than a career backup if he's lucky.  Sully and Green are at least productive players.  to me, the deal is essentially Sully, Green and #17 (which is projected to be a good bench player or borderline starter from this draft) for #5 (which is projected to be a solid starter depending on who's picked) and Kanter (who I've stated my opinion of). 

not worth it for me.  if I make that trade it's in a package for Love or another top all-star player that can produce what those guys would produce combined.

so for you, i'ts not worth it for the Celts to make the trade.

For others they say Utah will not trade the 5th for Sullinger and Green, which i think is false. That team is away more than a 5th to do anything from the west. They bring back hayward and their lineup would be

C - Favors - Good rebounder/Shot Blocker. More like a center
PF - Sullinger - Unlike Favors has above avg BBIQ.  Leadership qualities
SF - Green - Could excel in a non pressure environment.
SG - Hayward
PG - Burke

not saying this team will make the playoffs but it looks like it has more promise to do so.

The Celts getting Kanter back would be better for the team. We need a Center and he still has some promise left.   KO imo is the pf of the future

[kozlodoev]

The Jazz are arguably giving up the two best assets in that trade, depending upon how high you are on Kanter.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to land Kanter, but the only way I see this happening is something like Kanter and the 23rd for Faverani, Bogans, and the 6th -- and this doesn't work on the trade machine.

[Tr1boy]

The Jazz are arguably giving up the two best assets in that trade, depending upon how high you are on Kanter.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to land Kanter, but the only way I see this happening is something like Kanter and the 23rd for Faverani, Bogans, and the 6th -- and this doesn't work on the trade machine.

Sullinger and Green can't get the 5th your stating. So what pick could you get for Sullinger and Green then?

[Who]

Sounds like a bad deal for Utah.

I'd look at it as Sully for Kanter which is debatable.

Then Jeff Green for the #5 pick which J.Green simply isn't worth. I think a low lottery pick (#11-14) would fair value for J.Green. So Utah giving up too much value here.

I think you could argue a straight swap of those players is fair value. Maybe Kanter has a bit more value (say Sully + #17) if you are high on Kanter. Or vice versa, if high on Sully, maybe you say Sully has a bit more value and Utah needs to throw in an extra low to mid sized asset.

My take away from this is that a trade based around Sully for Kanter is worth exploring / discussing. Remove the other bits from the equation. Just those two. Utah gets a skilled PF to put alongside Favors. Boston gets a center to help balance out their situation.

[kozlodoev]

C - Favors - Good rebounder/Shot Blocker. More like a center
PF - Sullinger - Unlike Favors has above avg BBIQ.  Leadership qualities
SF - Green - Could excel in a non pressure environment.
SG - Hayward
PG - Burke

not saying this team will make the playoffs but it looks like it has more promise to do so.

Seriously. Let's come back to Earth a little bit here. I understand you're trying to manufacture positives for Sullinger to detract from the fact that the jury is still out on whether he can stay in one piece, and whether he'll be able to play 35 minutes without being a threat to foul out every game, but still...

There's zero evidence of any sort of leadership there -- it should have been obvious after watching him toil on our completely "headless" team this season.

[Who]

The Jazz are arguably giving up the two best assets in that trade, depending upon how high you are on Kanter.

Don't get me wrong, I'd love to land Kanter, but the only way I see this happening is something like Kanter and the 23rd for Faverani, Bogans, and the 6th -- and this doesn't work on the trade machine.

Another really interesting trade idea for Kanter.

I think the 6th pick for Kanter is good value for Utah. If Ainge wasn't wild about players in draft or didn't want another PF, trade for Kanter (C). Young, talented, fills a void.

[fandrew]

And with the 5th and the 6th picks I would not pick Smart and Gordon. Vonleh would be a pick, or if he went 4th then Exum would be the 5th pick for us. After them, I see a McDermott pick as a safe guy who can immediately contribute (at least on the offensive end) off the bench.

Regardless, I don't see that trade happening so it really doesn't matter.

[Who]

For others they say Utah will not trade the 5th for Sullinger and Green, which i think is false.

I think the 5th pick for both J.Green and J.Sullinger is a fair trade.

But not a fair trade for Utah when you put Kanter into the deal as well as the #5.

I wouldn't be happy to see a GM make that trade (#5 for Sully + J.Green) but it is a fair offer for a team that wants to improve their immediate chances of making the playoffs instead of taking on another project draft pick who may or may not pan out. Kinda similar to that deal Washington made a few years ago for Mike Miller and Randy Foye for the #5 pick.

I don't think those two would get you higher than #5 ... at least not in this draft. Maybe in another year you could get a #4 in a weaker draft (at the top of the ticket).