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Re: Chad Ford: Excellent prognosticator or excellent talent evaluator?
« Reply #15 on: May 28, 2014, 02:14:21 PM »

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Ford's chat today was filled with lots of interesting nuggets. Link:

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/50661
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Re: Chad Ford: Excellent prognosticator or excellent talent evaluator?
« Reply #16 on: May 28, 2014, 02:24:04 PM »

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I've seen Ford get a lot of things right.  I've said for a while that NBA draft scouting (at least in terms of the very top prospects) seems to be more hit than miss.  Aside from Greg Oden, typically when they hype a player as the "next big thing", it ends up basically coming true.  It happens rarely, but Yao was the first I remember getting that type of hype ... and he certainly became a fine player.  Then LeBron.  Then Oden/Durant (1 outta 2)...   

They don't hype players like that every draft.  Rose was supposed to be darn good (and he was), but he didn't get that level of hype.  I remember hearing about Chris Paul and the shock that he wasn't taken higher.  Dwight was supposedly raw, but had huge upside.  John Wall was supposed to be pretty good... and he is.   Kyrie was supposed to be pretty good... and he is.   

Then when they say a draft is garbage (like 2013), it tends to be true.

This 2014 draft received a lot of hype early, but they have tempered it a bit.  They still say it's a really deep and serious draft, though.  I believe it.

It still seems like the majority of stars end up coming within the first 5 picks of the draft... and guys like FOrd typically know who those players are and when they'll be picked.

Re: Chad Ford: Excellent prognosticator or excellent talent evaluator?
« Reply #17 on: May 28, 2014, 02:29:56 PM »

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Dante Exum should give Chad Ford a cut of his first NBA pay check. 
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C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: Chad Ford: Excellent prognosticator or excellent talent evaluator?
« Reply #18 on: May 28, 2014, 02:34:27 PM »

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Dante Exum should give Chad Ford a cut of his first NBA pay check.

I've got to give you props for how consistently you've been in your decision that Exum is overrated, especially absent any real evidence either way.
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Re: Chad Ford: Excellent prognosticator or excellent talent evaluator?
« Reply #19 on: May 28, 2014, 02:41:42 PM »

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Dante Exum should give Chad Ford a cut of his first NBA pay check.

I've got to give you props for how consistently you've been in your decision that Exum is overrated, especially absent any real evidence either way.

Just like you being consistent on Kevin Love being overrated despite common wisdom and any statistical measure telling you otherwise.  ;)
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Re: Chad Ford: Excellent prognosticator or excellent talent evaluator?
« Reply #20 on: May 28, 2014, 02:41:43 PM »

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Dante Exum should give Chad Ford a cut of his first NBA pay check.

I've got to give you props for how consistently you've been in your decision that Exum is overrated, especially absent any real evidence either way.

It's the absence of any real evidence either way that has me believing that the hype could well be way out of proportion. 

He remains my biggest bust candidate.  If he proves me wrong, credit to him.
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SG: C. Lee/B. Hield/T. Luwawu
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PF:  E. Ilyasova/J. Jerebko/R. Christmas
C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: Chad Ford: Excellent prognosticator or excellent talent evaluator?
« Reply #21 on: May 28, 2014, 02:43:43 PM »

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Dante Exum should give Chad Ford a cut of his first NBA pay check.

I've got to give you props for how consistently you've been in your decision that Exum is overrated, especially absent any real evidence either way.

Just like you being consistent on Kevin Love being overrated despite common wisdom and any statistical measure telling you otherwise.  ;)

Kevin Love is overrated because of statistical measure and common wisdom, not in spite of them.  ;D

TP though -- I laughed.
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Re: Chad Ford: Excellent prognosticator or excellent talent evaluator?
« Reply #22 on: May 28, 2014, 02:46:32 PM »

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Dante Exum should give Chad Ford a cut of his first NBA pay check.

I've got to give you props for how consistently you've been in your decision that Exum is overrated, especially absent any real evidence either way.

It's the absence of any real evidence either way that has me believing that the hype could well be way out of proportion. 

He remains my biggest bust candidate.  If he proves me wrong, credit to him.

But that's the thing -- Ford's just an echo chamber for the various front offices around the NBA. If the consensus among GM's is that he's a top 4 talent, how does that not count as evidence in favor of his ability and potential? Just because there aren't youtube videos of his game doesn't mean that his pole position is the result of Chad Ford is driving the hype up.
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Re: Chad Ford: Excellent prognosticator or excellent talent evaluator?
« Reply #23 on: May 28, 2014, 02:53:55 PM »

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Dante Exum should give Chad Ford a cut of his first NBA pay check.

I've got to give you props for how consistently you've been in your decision that Exum is overrated, especially absent any real evidence either way.

It's the absence of any real evidence either way that has me believing that the hype could well be way out of proportion. 

He remains my biggest bust candidate.  If he proves me wrong, credit to him.

But that's the thing -- Ford's just an echo chamber for the various front offices around the NBA. If the consensus among GM's is that he's a top 4 talent, how does that not count as evidence in favor of his ability and potential? Just because there aren't youtube videos of his game doesn't mean that his pole position is the result of Chad Ford is driving the hype up.

I'm also using the dreaded "eye test" on my assessment.  I know there's not a lot out there, but from the videos I've seen, I'm just not that impressed.  They rave about his PG skills and his athleticism, but they don't really show up as "NBA Star" level from my perspective.  He can get up and down the court quickly, but he doesn't look all that explosive for the NBA level, and his handle doesn't look all that tight.

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PG: G. Hill/D. Schroder
SG: C. Lee/B. Hield/T. Luwawu
SF:  Giannis/J. Lamb/M. Kuzminskas
PF:  E. Ilyasova/J. Jerebko/R. Christmas
C:    N. Vucevic/K. Olynyk/E. Davis/C. Jefferson

Re: Chad Ford: Excellent prognosticator or excellent talent evaluator?
« Reply #24 on: May 28, 2014, 02:56:14 PM »

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Dante Exum should give Chad Ford a cut of his first NBA pay check.

I've got to give you props for how consistently you've been in your decision that Exum is overrated, especially absent any real evidence either way.

Just like you being consistent on Kevin Love being overrated despite common wisdom and any statistical measure telling you otherwise.  ;)

Kevin Love is overrated because of statistical measure and common wisdom, not in spite of them.  ;D

TP though -- I laughed.

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Re: Chad Ford: Excellent prognosticator or excellent talent evaluator?
« Reply #25 on: May 28, 2014, 03:46:27 PM »

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Probably drag me through the ringer if/when we do end up trading for Kevin Love.

@Celtics: I agree, that's why I'm wagering that there's something substantial behind Exum's continued stay at the top of the draft class. He's not going there based on what we've got access to, that's for sure.
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Re: Chad Ford: Excellent prognosticator or excellent talent evaluator?
« Reply #26 on: May 28, 2014, 04:02:30 PM »

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Dante Exum should give Chad Ford a cut of his first NBA pay check.

I've got to give you props for how consistently you've been in your decision that Exum is overrated, especially absent any real evidence either way.

It's the absence of any real evidence either way that has me believing that the hype could well be way out of proportion. 

He remains my biggest bust candidate.  If he proves me wrong, credit to him.
Been saying the same thing. Just seems too much like an agent infused idea to hide him and hype him so as to get him picked high and get the better money.

And if he busts, Chad Ford should temper his excitement on little to barely seen foreign prospects once and for all.

Re: Chad Ford: Excellent prognosticator or excellent talent evaluator?
« Reply #27 on: May 28, 2014, 04:14:14 PM »

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Dante Exum should give Chad Ford a cut of his first NBA pay check.

I've got to give you props for how consistently you've been in your decision that Exum is overrated, especially absent any real evidence either way.

It's the absence of any real evidence either way that has me believing that the hype could well be way out of proportion. 

He remains my biggest bust candidate.  If he proves me wrong, credit to him.
Been saying the same thing. Just seems too much like an agent infused idea to hide him and hype him so as to get him picked high and get the better money.

And if he busts, Chad Ford should temper his excitement on little to barely seen foreign prospects once and for all.


But that's the thing -- Ford's just an echo chamber for the various front offices around the NBA. If the consensus among GM's is that he's a top 4 talent, how does that not count as evidence in favor of his ability and potential? Just because there aren't youtube videos of his game doesn't mean that his pole position is the result of Chad Ford is driving the hype up.
At least a goldfish with a Lincoln Log on its back goin' across your floor to your sock drawer has a miraculous connotation to it.

Re: Chad Ford: Excellent prognosticator or excellent talent evaluator?
« Reply #28 on: May 28, 2014, 04:34:51 PM »

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Dante Exum should give Chad Ford a cut of his first NBA pay check.

I've got to give you props for how consistently you've been in your decision that Exum is overrated, especially absent any real evidence either way.

It's the absence of any real evidence either way that has me believing that the hype could well be way out of proportion. 

He remains my biggest bust candidate.  If he proves me wrong, credit to him.
Been saying the same thing. Just seems too much like an agent infused idea to hide him and hype him so as to get him picked high and get the better money.

And if he busts, Chad Ford should temper his excitement on little to barely seen foreign prospects once and for all.


But that's the thing -- Ford's just an echo chamber for the various front offices around the NBA. If the consensus among GM's is that he's a top 4 talent, how does that not count as evidence in favor of his ability and potential? Just because there aren't youtube videos of his game doesn't mean that his pole position is the result of Chad Ford is driving the hype up.
He's not a complete echo chamber. He was on Exum before just about anyone. He is a gatherer of info and deciminater of info but he eventually makes predictions and evaluations based on that info. He just does not ape what GMs tell him.

I get the feeling early on he got some info from one or maybe two particular scouts and ran with it. I seriously doubt he has some consensus from GMs about Exum and is just parroting that info because most GMs feel that way on Exum.

I think Ford has even made a statement stating something like, if Exum is a bust, I am going to catch major flak. Goes to show just how much even he thinks he has lead the charge in the Exum hype front, IMHO.

Re: Chad Ford: Excellent prognosticator or excellent talent evaluator?
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It annoys me that one has to pay money to read Chad Ford's mock drafts.  I'll stick with Draft Express.

Amen. Having to pay to read subjective opinion about basketball players on the internet is ludicrous. I can't think of a parallel to this in any other sport.