Kevin Love (or Carmello) Makes No Sense

[nickagneta]

I like Sully's game but he ain't ever getting as good as Love is now unless he loses weight and becomes a much better 3 point shooter.

Its a gamble hoping Sully does this when you can trade Sully away and get Love who is already a known commodity that can post ridiculously great numbers

[pokeKingCurtis]

I like Kevin Love, but why make the trade and give up the future picks to get him.  I'd rather keep Sullinger, go after Asik with picks and players and let Sully finish developing.  He very well could be the next Kevin Love and we already have him.

Jared Sullinger: 6'9", 280 lbs, 7'1" Wingspan
Yr1: RPG/PPG=5.9/6.0 (injured)
Yr2: RPG/PPG=8.1/13.3

Kevin Love: 6'10", 260lbs, 6'11" Wingspan
Yr1: RPG/PPG=9.1/11.1
Yr2: RPG/PPG=11.0/14.0 (injured)

I think Sully can further evolve next season and put up 17ppg/10reb. Problem is he'll never be a top 5 offensive player like Love is. He'll never shoot or pass as well. And you need elite offensive talent to be a true championship contender.

The Pacers would have been a nice counterexample.

[dang] it Vogel why you fail...

'04 Pistons then.

[wdleehi]

I like Sully's game but he ain't ever getting as good as Love is now unless he loses weight and becomes a much better 3 point shooter.

Its a gamble hoping Sully does this when you can trade Sully away and get Love who is already a known commodity that can post ridiculously great numbers

Not trading a player because of a long shot they might be a poor man's version of the player available make no sense. 

It makes no sense not to use picks in a trade when the Celtics have more then they want to actually draft with. 


The only reason not to trade for Love is if another team offers a ridiculous offer that the Celtics will not even try to match. 


But since Love has asked (demanded a trade), I don't think we will see those offers.  When do team offer a crazy level of items for a player who wants out.  (Exception being the Knicks who do not have the ability to offer a crazy amount)

[nickagneta]

I like Sully's game but he ain't ever getting as good as Love is now unless he loses weight and becomes a much better 3 point shooter.

Its a gamble hoping Sully does this when you can trade Sully away and get Love who is already a known commodity that can post ridiculously great numbers

Not trading a player because of a long shot they might be a poor man's version of the player available make no sense. 

It makes no sense not to use picks in a trade when the Celtics have more then they want to actually draft with. 


The only reason not to trade for Love is if another team offers a ridiculous offer that the Celtics will not even try to match. 


But since Love has asked (demanded a trade), I don't think we will see those offers.  When do team offer a crazy level of items for a player who wants out.  (Exception being the Knicks who do not have the ability to offer a crazy amount)

I'm with you wd.

[LooseCannon]

Ok guys,  let me ask you this. 

How many top tier superstars can you name from the past decade who had not made a single playoff appearance 6 years in to their NBA career?

Let's get a count.

How many top tier superstars have ever had the void of talent as teammates that Love has had?  If you replace Love with Lebron James over the same period, I'd be shocked if the TWolves make the playoffs more than once.

[nickagneta]

Ok guys,  let me ask you this. 

How many top tier superstars can you name from the past decade who had not made a single playoff appearance 6 years in to their NBA career?

Let's get a count.

How many top tier superstars have ever had the void of talent as teammates that Love has had?  If you replace Love with Lebron James over the same period, I'd be shocked if the TWolves make the playoffs more than once.

I wouldn't be shocked. Lebron does something Love doesn't, he raises the level of play of his team mates and makes them better as a team. Love has yet to prove he does that. I think Lebron makes the playoffs a couple of times with the crew Love has had. Lebron's early playoff teams were awful except for him and they made the playoffs.

[McHales Pits]

Ok guys,  let me ask you this. 

How many top tier superstars can you name from the past decade who had not made a single playoff appearance 6 years in to their NBA career?

Let's get a count.

How many top tier superstars have ever had the void of talent as teammates that Love has had?  If you replace Love with Lebron James over the same period, I'd be shocked if the TWolves make the playoffs more than once.

I wouldn't be shocked. Lebron does something Love doesn't, he raises the level of play of his team mates and makes them better as a team. Love has yet to prove he does that. I think Lebron makes the playoffs a couple of times with the crew Love has had. Lebron's early playoff teams were awful except for him and they made the playoffs.

LeBron led the Wolves to a CB Draft title last year 

[LooseCannon]

Ok guys,  let me ask you this. 

How many top tier superstars can you name from the past decade who had not made a single playoff appearance 6 years in to their NBA career?

Let's get a count.

How many top tier superstars have ever had the void of talent as teammates that Love has had?  If you replace Love with Lebron James over the same period, I'd be shocked if the TWolves make the playoffs more than once.

I wouldn't be shocked. Lebron does something Love doesn't, he raises the level of play of his team mates and makes them better as a team. Love has yet to prove he does that. I think Lebron makes the playoffs a couple of times with the crew Love has had. Lebron's early playoff teams were awful except for him and they made the playoffs.

His early teams had guys like Ilgauskas, Varejao, and Drew Gooden.  I'd be willing to say that Love has probably never had more than one teammate in a given season who was at that level of play.

[nickagneta]

Kevin Martin, Nikola Pekovic, Ricky Rubio. Heck I would take Jose Juan Barea or Corey Brewer off my bench before I would take Drew Gooden his last two years in Cleveland off my bench.

[MBunge]

Kevin Martin, Nikola Pekovic, Ricky Rubio. Heck I would take Jose Juan Barea or Corey Brewer off my bench before I would take Drew Gooden his last two years in Cleveland off my bench.

This past year is the one that really makes Love look bad.  The West is insanely good and Rubio isn't ANYTHING like what they thought but with Kevin Martin and Pekovic, they really should have made a much stronger push for the playoffs.

Mike

[LarBrd33]

Ok guys,  let me ask you this. 

How many top tier superstars can you name from the past decade who had not made a single playoff appearance 6 years in to their NBA career?

Let's get a count.

How many top tier superstars have ever had the void of talent as teammates that Love has had?  If you replace Love with Lebron James over the same period, I'd be shocked if the TWolves make the playoffs more than once.

I wouldn't be shocked. Lebron does something Love doesn't, he raises the level of play of his team mates and makes them better as a team. Love has yet to prove he does that. I think Lebron makes the playoffs a couple of times with the crew Love has had. Lebron's early playoff teams were awful except for him and they made the playoffs.

I gotta side with nickagneta on this one.  Seems to be the same point D.o.s is making... it's a fair one.   

Those Cavs teams were ghastly.  LeBron basically took a team to the Finals by himself.  In 2008, he nearly knocked off our eventually title team basically on his own.  It was LeBron vs the Boston Celtics and he pushed us to 7 games and a narrow 5 point victory thanks to a career performance from Pierce. 

You swap Love with LeBron, the Timberwolves certainly make the playoffs... might even contend.

Also fair to point out that as much as Melo gets flack, this was the first season of his entire career that he failed to take a team to the playoffs... and they BARELY missed out by a single game.   Yeah, Love plays in the deep Western conference, but he's got a little bit of talent on that team... arguably more than this Celtic team (Rondo more or less = Rubio... Pekovic/Martin probably would be the 3rd and 4th best players on this team)... It's a little alarming that his teams haven't had more success.

Oh well. Face it.  Boston is royally screwed.  Collect assets, wait for the LeBron/Durant/Wiggins/Embiid thing to pass... and let's try again in in the 2030s.

On the positive side, Love is still probably a franchise player.  His stats are Top 3 in the league and he's not an inefficient player.   'Sota has been a dysfunctional environment for decades.  I'd still gladly bring 25 year old Kevin Love to Boston... he's someone you could build around.  And it's highly unlikely we are going to find anyone better to build around over the next 8-10 years.  Kobe couldn't make the playoffs by himself either... so it's a little unfair to compare Love to Lord Bron of James... god of the hardwood... one of the 5 greatest players in the history of basketball.

[D.o.s.]

Ok guys,  let me ask you this. 

How many top tier superstars can you name from the past decade who had not made a single playoff appearance 6 years in to their NBA career?

Let's get a count.

How many top tier superstars have ever had the void of talent as teammates that Love has had?  If you replace Love with Lebron James over the same period, I'd be shocked if the TWolves make the playoffs more than once.

No you wouldn't.

[LooseCannon]

Also fair to point out that as much as Melo gets flack, this was the first season of his entire career that he failed to take a team to the playoffs... and they BARELY missed out by a single game.   Yeah, Love plays in the deep Western conference, but he's got a little bit of talent on that team... arguably more than this Celtic team (Rondo more or less = Rubio... Pekovic/Martin probably would be the 3rd and 4th best players on this team)... It's a little alarming that his teams haven't had more success.

I'd argue that the Celtics had more talent than Minnesota minus Love.  I don't think I have any shot of convincing you of that if you think that Rondo and Rubio are more or less the same.

[soap07]

The Love not leading a team to the playoffs is such a lazy thing. Melo has led his team to the playoffs every year of his career except for last year and people then say, "What has he won?" He gets to the WCF and Melo gets "Well, never got to the championship."

If Love had taken the TWolves to an 8th seed in the West, the same posters would say "Well, they've never been a contender." The bar always gets moved when what it comes down to - the people saying that just don't "love" Love as a player. It's just how it is. Does anyone seriously think that the playoff thing matters that much? 40 wins in the West is probably equivalent to 50 in the East. Everyone here knows that. If the TWolves were in the East, would people's opinions of Love suddenly change that much because he took a team to the playoffs? Probably not.

If Love was on LeBron's Cavs from back in the day, you can bet they would make the playoffs. Would that change people's opinions?

[D.o.s.]

The Love not leading a team to the playoffs is such a lazy thing. Melo has led his team to the playoffs every year of his career except for last year and people then say, "What has he won?" He gets to the WCF and Melo gets "Well, never got to the championship."

If Love had taken the TWolves to an 8th seed in the West, the same posters would say "Well, they've never been a contender." The bar always gets moved when what it comes down to - the people saying that just don't "love" Love as a player. It's just how it is. Does anyone seriously think that the playoff thing matters that much? 40 wins in the West is probably equivalent to 50 in the East. Everyone here knows that. If the TWolves were in the East, would people's opinions of Love suddenly change that much because he took a team to the playoffs? Probably not.

If Love was on LeBron's Cavs from back in the day, you can bet they would make the playoffs. Would that change people's opinions?

How is the bolded any different from what you're decrying?