Kings willing to trade #8 and more for Love

[guava_wrench]

Honestly with these workouts happening, gm's like Danny might get reluctant to give up the 6th even for love.

If any of the top 6 or 7 becoming really good and Love doesn't resign, Ainge will be ridiculed for a long time.

I don't believe for a second that this is true. Kevin Love is in the tier below LeBron and Durant, with Howard, Aldridge, Paul, YES I SAID CHRIS PAUL, okay maybe not Chris Paul but Melo, whomever. If they're not named LeBron, Durant, Anthony Davis, or Chris Paul, there really isn't a guy in the league I think is head and shoulders above Kevin Love. Davis because of his potential future.

In any case Danny is not keeping A-A-Ron Gordon or anyone potentially going 6th back if it means acquiring Love or not.

Not that Danny will overpay, but just saying, Danny's not gonna hangup because Minnesota has the audacity to require the 6th be involved in any trade negotiations.

How r you certain randle, smart or gordon wont be as good or on par with love?

Also if he is so good as you say why has he not made the playoffs since being drafted?

Not many players reach the Love level. Look around the league. Don't get drunk on the unknown. There is a reason why none of the guys you mention are considered top 4 picks. They aren't even expected to be as good as 4 guys coming out this year.

'How are you certain' is not a real argument. That kind of muddled thinking would mean no one doing any moves whatsoever because they can NEVER be certain. That kind of argument really doesn't have any value. The better question is what the chances are that those guys reach his level. It isn't very good, as even many all stars are not at Love's level.

The playoff question is easily answered. Look at the roster. It is really bad, yet they still won 40 games playing in the Western Conference. That makes the playoffs in the East.

[crimson_stallion]

Honestly with these workouts happening, gm's like Danny might get reluctant to give up the 6th even for love.

If any of the top 6 or 7 becoming really good and Love doesn't resign, Ainge will be ridiculed for a long time.

I don't believe for a second that this is true. Kevin Love is in the tier below LeBron and Durant, with Howard, Aldridge, Paul, YES I SAID CHRIS PAUL, okay maybe not Chris Paul but Melo, whomever. If they're not named LeBron, Durant, Anthony Davis, or Chris Paul, there really isn't a guy in the league I think is head and shoulders above Kevin Love. Davis because of his potential future.

In any case Danny is not keeping A-A-Ron Gordon or anyone potentially going 6th back if it means acquiring Love or not.

Not that Danny will overpay, but just saying, Danny's not gonna hangup because Minnesota has the audacity to require the 6th be involved in any trade negotiations.

I thoroughly disagree...

* Howard is on a level above Love because he contributes on both ends of the floor, and he is a more efficient scorer than Love could ever hope to be, and because he's actually led teams deep in the playoffs (while Love has not played a single playoff gamein 8 seasons)

* Aldridge is on a level above Love for the same reason.  He's a far more complete offensive player than Love is, and he also plays defense and has playoffs experience

* Paul is on a level above Love for, again, the same reason.  He's a mult-time All Defensive team selection, and is still one of the best all-round offensive players in the league if you consider his total offensive package (jumpshot, ability to drive, free throw shooting, ball handling, passing, etc).   Again, he's led teams to the playoffs, sometimes almost single handedly.

Love is easilly a tier below those guys.  He is not just average or below average defensively, he is one of the worst defensive PF's in the entire league - maybe slightly less terrible than  David Lee...maybe.   The best side of the court for him is supposed to be his offense, but even on that side of the court he is very inefficient for a PF.  His rebounding is elite, and that's something nobody can argue against - but he is far from tier 2 talent.  He is Tier 3 talent, if that.

Lets be honest - ihow many people on this forum who would REALLY take Love over Howard or Aldridge? What about the other way around?  I think you'll find the numbers are very heavilly skewed against Love.

Love is a skilled player, no doubt.  I just don't think that the skill set he posesses it the type of skill set that wins games.  He scores a lot of points, yet I don't consider him a dominant scorer.  When the game is on the line Love isn't the type of guy I could just pass the ball to and say "make something happen".  To be honest, I'd have more trust in Jeff Green with a game on the line than I would with Kevin Love.  He's just not that type of player.  I think think he'd be an outstanding complimentary player on the right team though.  I think he'd work well on a team that has:

* A quality PG
* A go-to scorer at a wing position
* A defensive minded center

For example I think he could really excel in Chicago, where he has Rose is the #1 offensive option and Noah as ther defensive stopper (who can cover for Love's defensive deficiencies).  Here Love could be tha deadly #2 scorer who could make teams pay for loading up on Rose.

I don't think Boston is even close to being the best fit for Love. 

Firstly, if you have Love you absolutely NEED a defensive stopper at the center spot...and one of our biggest weaknesses right now is our lack of interior defense.  That means if we got Love, we'd get absolutely slaughtered inside.

Secondly, if Love came to Boston he would likely become the #1 scoring option...but he's alreadly shown us all fom his time in Minny) that he is entirely incapable of leading a team to wins as the number one guy on offense.

If Boston can get a legit rim protector (who isn't a complete offensive liability) at center, then I'd be all for giving Love a shot.  Until then, bringing him here would be a salary cap disaster that would guarantee Boston meiocrity for the next 5 years.   

[Celtics4ever]

he is entirely incapable of leading a team to wins as the number one guy on offense.

Check out Kevin Love's post season stats and leadership.

http://espn.go.com/nba/player/stats/_/id/3449/seasontype/3/kevin-love

Now, I think he has had terrible support in MIN.    I also, agree he is not a top tier but a level below that.

[Rakulp]

...This is similar to the Knicks' claim that they would pursue Love.  It's meant to placate long suffering fans, but it has little substance.

Or is it possible this is meant to drive up the bidding for Love?

To me, it doesn't make sense to acquire him, give up a LOT of assets, without getting an extension in the process.  Now I know Danny has said he would consider acquiring a player that way, but that's because he believes that he could convince that player in a year's time how beneficial it would be to sign a long term deal with the Celtics...

...Sacramento?  All they could do is offer a truckload of money, like everybody else would.  I don't believe a Kings team adding Love still would be competitive in the West and his locker would likely be cleaned out ten minutes after the last game played next year.  Could the Kings realistically know that their chances of acquiring him are slim and are trying to play Jedi mind games with the rest of the NBA GMs?  There's an old adage out there that if I can't make myself better, but make my enemy worse...then I have made myself better.  Driving up the bidding for Love, depleting other teams of valuable assets...who knows?

Going to be a fun month in June

Rak

[Who]

This trade would put the Kings on a road to nowhere.

All the money tied up in Cousins, K-Love and R.Gay ... it'd be close to impossible to build a balanced team with a quality supporting cast around those players. Even more so if they re-sign Isaiah Thomas to another $10 mil a year.

If I were K-Love, I wouldn't re-sign there. No future.

[pokeKingCurtis]

This trade would put the Kings on a road to nowhere.

All the money tied up in Cousins, K-Love and R.Gay ... it'd be close to impossible to build a balanced team with a quality supporting cast around those players. Even more so if they re-sign Isaiah Thomas to another $10 mil a year.

If I were K-Love, I wouldn't re-sign there. No future.

Maximum inefficient offense FTW.

[celtsfanforlife]

Kings can not trade another pick until 2019 due the protection on next year's pick.

[Moranis]

This trade would put the Kings on a road to nowhere.

All the money tied up in Cousins, K-Love and R.Gay ... it'd be close to impossible to build a balanced team with a quality supporting cast around those players. Even more so if they re-sign Isaiah Thomas to another $10 mil a year.

If I were K-Love, I wouldn't re-sign there. No future.

To be fair Cousins, Thomas, and Gay were the only trio in the league last year each with a PER above 19.6 (which is what Gay was post trade).  Add Love to that mix and I think they have a very dangerous team.  In fact Love is the perfect offensive compliment to Cousins, who is also improving defensively.  I think they would be a clear playoff team and a scary one at that for the top contenders (kind of like a Golden State team).  They would need some improved play at the SG and off the bench, but I would be interested in seeing what a starting lineup that includes Cousins, Love, Gay, and Thomas could do.

[Nef-Oracle]

We should'nt overpay for Love. He'll take the half of our team & pics. It's a bad idea cause he's injured almost all the time & have no playoffs experience.

[Lucky17]

We should'nt overpay for Love. He'll take the half of our team & pics. It's a bad idea cause he's injured almost all the time & have no playoffs experience.

Well, that would be an overpay. But I don't see why the Celtics would give that much up.

Outside of Cleveland offering the #1, I can't see Minnesota getting a better draft pick. And, if Sullinger is available, I'm not sure there's anyone out there who's clearly a better prospect.

[Celtics4ever]

Has to be attractive to him given he is a CA boy.

[Irish Stew]

What do the Kings have to lose by putting out their second rate offer? Either they wind up with Love at a very reasonable price or they drive up the price for their opponents. Win-win for them. I wouldn't worry about them. We can crush their offer. Just keep your fingers crossed that reckless offers from the Cavs and Sixers don't materialize.

[LooseCannon]

Lets be honest - ihow many people on this forum who would REALLY take Love over Howard or Aldridge? What about the other way around?  I think you'll find the numbers are very heavilly skewed against Love.

I can say I'd probably take a combination of Love and Asik over a combination of Howard and Carmelo Anthony.

[quidinqui33]

Interesting info in from one of the Minnesota sports guys:

https://twitter.com/DarrenWolfson

Darren Wolfson @DarrenWolfson   
Re: Love to Kings trade idea report -- prob. only enticing to #Twolves if can get Randle/Vonleh at 8. Hear they favor those two over Gordon.

Celts could likely get Randle or Vonleh if that is who the wolves want.  Seems like we are much more in the driver's seat than the kings at this point.

[Sketch5]

Even if Minni takes that offer, Love wont stay. He has said he wants to play for a winning franchise. SAC is not really their, and pretty far from it, because of the lack of players, and the West being so strong.

He'll be out and singing in LA buy July 1st of next year.

Were we could pull together a better package, have a better team, in a weaker conference, make the playoffs, and get Love to fall in,well love with Boston. Most players do once they come. Humps said this spring that he'd want to come back, and thats a guy heading to the end of is career, and he's willing to come back to a rebuilding team rather than a contender. Bayless the first week he got here said he'd want to sign long term.

I have great faith that if DA can bring Love in, even with out an extension (which rumored that Love said he'd sign one in Boston) he could get Love to come back. Unless it's just an awful season of injuries that puts Love off, but I think if he's gets a taste of the playoffs in Boston he'd sign long term.