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Re: New Gordon, LaVine videos up today (monday)
« Reply #15 on: May 26, 2014, 10:22:15 PM »

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I will be very happy we get Gordon
He will surely be top3 pick in other draft 

Re: New Gordon, LaVine videos up today (monday)
« Reply #16 on: May 26, 2014, 10:25:57 PM »

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Smart's shooting woes are overstated, and I've been guilty of it as well. He can hit the open 3 and will only get better at it. It's only because he took so many highly contested 3 pointers that his %s are so low. It didn't help that at the beginning of the season he was hitting everything from 3, contested or not. He started believing he could do that full time.

Another consideration about Smart. Think about who in the hell is going to be able to guard him at the PG position, or even 2 guard. The difference between Smart and Bradley is the difference between Jared Sullinger and Jeff Green, strength wise. And Smart is a great athlete even for a PG. He's even more of a physical freak than Randle, he loves contact, can get into the lane at will, and I'm convinced he can even play SF like Tony Allen against certain matchups.

Re: New Gordon, LaVine videos up today (monday)
« Reply #17 on: May 26, 2014, 10:31:02 PM »

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I would stay away from Lavine.  Kind of reminds me of Gerald Green.

Re: New Gordon, LaVine videos up today (monday)
« Reply #18 on: May 26, 2014, 10:43:40 PM »

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Can we tap the brakes just a little bit here?  Just imagine if we could have seen video of Yi Janlian's pre-draft workouts.  Or Nikolai Tskitishvili.  We would have people raving about 2 future hall of famers.

1 on none workouts are worthless when evaluating a prospect.  And that may be an understatement.  If you are unsure, think about it from this perspective: who sets up these workouts?  Agents who want to make the prospect look much better than they actually are.  Teams never invite guys in for 1 on none sessions because they provide no value.  5 on 5 is the best way to evaluate a prospect.  In lieu of that, 3 on 3 is the next best option, with 1 on 1 having marginal value and 1 on none having slightly more value than watching the prospect play Y2K.

Those of you who played, even just at the high school level, think about how you performed in drills as compared to what you were able to do in games.  If you want to take a player who has marginal skill and make him look like a star, you do it with drills that incorporate no defense.

Re: New Gordon, LaVine videos up today (monday)
« Reply #19 on: May 26, 2014, 10:49:26 PM »

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We've seen a full season of Gordon playing at a very high level all season, against the familiar American prospects, in addition to his play in u18 and the Nike Hoops Summit against Wiggins and a bunch of other NBA players.

This isn't like Yi at all, whose games in China were glorified workouts anyway.

Gordon doesn't answer every single question about his future development in this video, but it is still useful, just to know that he is practicing smart and practicing the right things.

LaVine is another story, and I don't see him working on his lateral agility or even wearing real basketball shoes in his workout, and he didn't prove nearly as much last year as Gordon did.


Re: New Gordon, LaVine videos up today (monday)
« Reply #20 on: May 26, 2014, 10:53:58 PM »

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These videos are starting to make me think at the end of the next one they're gonna be like, 'and now from District Seventeen, Doug McDermott!!'

And he'll just keep hitting deep shots, but when they stop paying attention he'll throw a basketball with uncanny accuracy at Mitch Kupchak.

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Re: New Gordon, LaVine videos up today (monday)
« Reply #21 on: May 26, 2014, 10:55:56 PM »

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Yeah, you can't compare foreign players to people who played in the NCAA.

Re: New Gordon, LaVine videos up today (monday)
« Reply #22 on: May 26, 2014, 10:59:25 PM »

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I don't think Gordon HAS to be a great shooter if he plays SF, IF he has a good post game. If we have a lineup with Sully and KO (or any one of them with Love, who people salivate over), they stretch the floor enough. If KO can shoot like he did second half of the season and Sully can improve, they can provide enough space for Gordon to live inside like LeBron does (although he is a much improved as a shooter). If only Green would attack more, he would be perfect with those guys, I don't know why they made Green shoot so many 3s. All AB needs to do is shoot just as he did last season (could improve some but doesn't have to) and RR get his touch back inside, I think that's a nice group. It doesn't have to be Gordon but I would like a SF who can be strong inside the paint. KO and Sully will pull both bigs out, leaving the paint wide open for what RR is best at or when RR keeps the bigs on him inside, KO and Sully can light them up from mid range and the 3 (or RR can light them up from mid range too). This is why RR worked so well with guys like KG and Ray, RR didn't have to be a threat from 3. What is an opponent to do if their bigs don't know what to defend? KO and Sully can work inside too, as the season went on KO became stronger and could handle contact inside better and Sully will put the put on you any time LOL. Miami would get eaten alive by a team like that... the fact that those guys can rebound well too, that would be very nice. People ragged on how KO would do as a rebounder but he did well this season in 20m he got 2 offensive and 3 defensive rbs a game, we all know Sully's potential, RR is one of the best rebounding PGs, AB before he got injured was top 10 at both SG and PG position, Green is a mess most of the time but he doesn't have to be great at it... now if we can keep Hump for the bench (cheap rate), he will snatch up his share and then some.

Not just Miami but all the best teams this season would struggle against that type of team. I think this is why Stevens made Sully and KO shoot from distance so much. I know KO and Sully struggle defensively but Sully can definitely defend better and KO is a wait and see. AB, RR, and Green or whoever can defend very good to great so I don't worry as much about Sully and KO as long as they get help D down pat, which even with what KO did (didn't do this season), I think he is capable of at least that. As tired as the opponents will be after struggling to contain our offense, even a top 10 defense would be enough (that's a realistic goal for us too).


I don't know, maybe I just see too much from this group but I think with growth and hard work, that can be a formidable team. All of those guys are hard workers (Sully is a little questionable in that department but look what he does even given that).


With as many picks as we have over the next few years we can build the bench up and/or replace guys in the starting lineup (as long as we don't give all the picks away).

I know most everyone is expecting a contender next season but that's not likely, it's rare that a team goes from bottom/near it to contender the next season. All the guys, including RR, have time to grown into an excellent team. Even if RR isn't patient enough to go through just making the playoffs and/or advancing a few rounds for a couple seasons, we have the assets to acquire the people who can.


We have the assets to make this team it's best, all we have to do is be patient, that's one reason why Stevens got a 6yr deal.


Sorry I put this in this thread
but I like Gordon for the type of team we seem to be building... I would be happy with any SF like that (at least what I think he could be). Again, Green could be that guy, but if I was able to choose I would like someone a little more willing to beast inside than Green seems to be willing to.
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Re: New Gordon, LaVine videos up today (monday)
« Reply #23 on: May 26, 2014, 11:03:40 PM »

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[dang], this is so hard...if it comes down to Gordon and Smart - I don't know who to pick

Gordon at 6'9" looks like he is still growing and has great ball handling for a guy his size. Can shoot pretty well and extremely explosive to the rim. Probably one of the best defensive players in the top ten.

Smart has good ball handling, wants to have him play the shooting guard position so we can keep Rondo. Very strong, and has that fire to win. Extremely emotion and drive to win. Good ball handling and also a good defender (not sure if it is Bradley good or Bradley is a tad bit better).

Re: New Gordon, LaVine videos up today (monday)
« Reply #24 on: May 26, 2014, 11:11:35 PM »

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[dang], this is so hard...if it comes down to Gordon and Smart - I don't know who to pick

Gordon at 6'9" looks like he is still growing and has great ball handling for a guy his size. Can shoot pretty well and extremely explosive to the rim. Probably one of the best defensive players in the top ten.

Smart has good ball handling, wants to have him play the shooting guard position so we can keep Rondo. Very strong, and has that fire to win. Extremely emotion and drive to win. Good ball handling and also a good defender (not sure if it is Bradley good or Bradley is a tad bit better).
We trade our future picks to get BOTH
Rondo-Smart-Gordon-KO/Sully-Asik/Sanders
It's fun to watch and that's all i need

Re: New Gordon, LaVine videos up today (monday)
« Reply #25 on: May 26, 2014, 11:26:59 PM »

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[dang], this is so hard...if it comes down to Gordon and Smart - I don't know who to pick

Gordon at 6'9" looks like he is still growing and has great ball handling for a guy his size. Can shoot pretty well and extremely explosive to the rim. Probably one of the best defensive players in the top ten.

Smart has good ball handling, wants to have him play the shooting guard position so we can keep Rondo. Very strong, and has that fire to win. Extremely emotion and drive to win. Good ball handling and also a good defender (not sure if it is Bradley good or Bradley is a tad bit better).
We trade our future picks to get BOTH
Rondo-Smart-Gordon-KO/Sully-Asik/Sanders
It's fun to watch and that's all i need

how many picks to grab both? is it worth it...

Re: New Gordon, LaVine videos up today (monday)
« Reply #26 on: May 26, 2014, 11:30:57 PM »

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Gordon can jump out of the gym...amazing athleticism and power. His shot looks nice and smooth without the hitch he's had.

Most of these guys are top 3 picks in any other draft.
We are very lucky even if we can't get Love with one of them.
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Re: New Gordon, LaVine videos up today (monday)
« Reply #27 on: May 26, 2014, 11:32:11 PM »

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Gordon has put on at least 5-7 pounds of muscle.  His jump shot looks smoother than before. No hesitation and he was not lying he fixed it up

Guys this is going to be a good draft for us. Let the other 5 teams make their choices or mistakes and we will wait for the best one to drop  (the way we ended up with Pierce and Sullinger) .

Right now i have

1. Cavs - embiid
2. Bucks - Exum
3. 76ers - Parker
4. Magic - Wiggins
5. Jazz - Gordon
6. Celtics - Randle
7. Lakers - Smart
8. Kings - Vonleh

The celts i think will go with Gordon or Randle, whoever is left. Smart is an option also but the celtics have alot of guard options at 17. Personally i rather have Hairston who can shoot lights out over Smart.

Hope you're wrong.  Such a huge drop off in ability/upside from Gordon to Randle.  Just hope Jazz do not take him, but fear they will. He is going to be a real good NBA player.

Re: New Gordon, LaVine videos up today (monday)
« Reply #28 on: May 26, 2014, 11:53:50 PM »

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Gordon has put on at least 5-7 pounds of muscle.  His jump shot looks smoother than before. No hesitation and he was not lying he fixed it up

Guys this is going to be a good draft for us. Let the other 5 teams make their choices or mistakes and we will wait for the best one to drop  (the way we ended up with Pierce and Sullinger) .

Right now i have

1. Cavs - embiid
2. Bucks - Exum
3. 76ers - Parker
4. Magic - Wiggins
5. Jazz - Gordon
6. Celtics - Randle
7. Lakers - Smart
8. Kings - Vonleh

The celts i think will go with Gordon or Randle, whoever is left. Smart is an option also but the celtics have alot of guard options at 17. Personally i rather have Hairston who can shoot lights out over Smart.

Hope you're wrong.  Such a huge drop off in ability/upside from Gordon to Randle.  Just hope Jazz do not take him, but fear they will. He is going to be a real good NBA player.

to be honest i think they will. There is a huge hole down the middle of the lineup for them
.  They have favors up front, Burke at the pg position and nothing in the middle (don't think hayward is coming back). Now if Randle can also show he can nail the mid range without much fuzz , the jazz will think hard from there who they will choose.

Ppl know that i would be extremely happy if we got Gordon, but with his athleticism and this crazy workout  he could really jump.  It's not actually a wild thought that he might jump over wiggins and go to the 76ers. That team is all about athleticism but also their coach from the spurs system likes guys with high iqs. Not likely they will skip wiggins but don't be surprsied. 

This is going to be a wild draft. I think we will get a good player at both 6 and 17. Personally i'm not a huge fan of either Randle or Smart but like many have said, they would of gone top 3 in an other drafts

Smart: Would of gone top 3 last year .  I've seen him fly out of nowhere to grab rebounds. Pure heart at critical moments of the game.  He is really a steady jump shot and to watch his turnovers from becoming a really nice player in the nba.  Almost the total package for a SG/PG.

Randle: Has the best post scoring skills out of the top 7.  It's a veteran skill , can get you high percentage shots and near the late part of the game get you the isolation baskets/ft's you need. Just keep feeding it to him, and once he learns to reconize the double team coming better, he can pass it to KO or Hairston for the open jump shot or Rondo to slash in.   

What's great about Smart, Randle, Gordon is that all three are strong for their age,  good leadership skills and have motors that never die

Re: New Gordon, LaVine videos up today (monday)
« Reply #29 on: May 27, 2014, 12:29:41 AM »

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What's great about Smart, Randle, Gordon is that all three are strong for their age,  good leadership skills and have motors that never die

Agreed.  And for a team that I think(hope) is embracing a youth movement, getting high character, hard working rooks is a necessity.  Putting a bunch of young players in an environment where they will probably be losing a lot of games early on can be toxic with the wrong group of rookies.  But if you choose the right guys it can become almost a collegiate atmosphere where the young guys really bond in a hurry (think OKC early on).