Trade Rondo to Sacremento for the number 8 pick

[CoachBo]

I agree! Kings would do that plus you could probably snag McLemore

Why would the Kings do that? Rondo clearly said that he wouldn't re-sign with the Kings. That is what originally negated the trade proposal from getting anywhere.

Ainge recently stated that he would trade for a player without any guarantee that the player would re-sign in hopes of having a year to sell him on the situation. Why couldn't the same apply here? He'd playing alongside Cousins and Gay, the Kings would be in position to pay him more than anyone else, and they have a new ownership that would likely roll the dice in order to make a splash.

#8 & McLemore for Rondo seems very fair.

  It's a crappy return for a player like Rondo. Odds are very high that if we don't get back a player as good as Rondo we'll be on the losing end of the trade, and odds are pretty high that neither of those assets will turn out to be stars.

Trades where players are of equal talent rarely occur. Usually one team receives the better current player in hopes of winning presently, while the other makes a trade in order to build for the future. We are in the latter stage, barring a trade for Love or an equal caliber of player. That said, Smart was far and away more accomplished than Rondo in college and clearly better at the same age, so I don't think the odds are high as you suggest that Smart doesn't turn out to be as good as Rondo when we are ready to contend.  Just younger and with a much cheaper contract.

  Usually the team that trades away a star in his 20s aren't trying to build for the future, they just have no choice in the matter. Minny isn't moving Love to build for the future, he's forcing their hand. They'll end up worse, both in the short term and the long term. Rondo isn't forcing our hand, so there's no need to rush to make a bad deal for the team.

  And Rondo's been in the league for 8 or so years. You could probably spend the rest of the morning listing point guards that have been drafted in that time that accomplished more in college and you would have said were better at the same age that haven't come close to accomplishing what Rondo has in the pros. Someone posted earlier in the thread that if you have a #8 pick you probably have a 50/50 chance of drafting someone who will ever be a starter, let alone a star. That's probably not that far from the truth. Jeff Green was a #5 pick, and he's probably close to average for a #5 pick. People just aren't at all realistic in their expectations for what they'll get from a draft pick.

The Apocalypse is truly upon us.

I agree with this.

The obsession some of you have here with the draft borders on the insane. Which is what trading Rondo for the 8 pick would be - with Kevin Love on the table.

[BballTim]

I agree! Kings would do that plus you could probably snag McLemore

Why would the Kings do that? Rondo clearly said that he wouldn't re-sign with the Kings. That is what originally negated the trade proposal from getting anywhere.

Ainge recently stated that he would trade for a player without any guarantee that the player would re-sign in hopes of having a year to sell him on the situation. Why couldn't the same apply here? He'd playing alongside Cousins and Gay, the Kings would be in position to pay him more than anyone else, and they have a new ownership that would likely roll the dice in order to make a splash.

#8 & McLemore for Rondo seems very fair.

  It's a crappy return for a player like Rondo. Odds are very high that if we don't get back a player as good as Rondo we'll be on the losing end of the trade, and odds are pretty high that neither of those assets will turn out to be stars.

Trades where players are of equal talent rarely occur. Usually one team receives the better current player in hopes of winning presently, while the other makes a trade in order to build for the future. We are in the latter stage, barring a trade for Love or an equal caliber of player. That said, Smart was far and away more accomplished than Rondo in college and clearly better at the same age, so I don't think the odds are high as you suggest that Smart doesn't turn out to be as good as Rondo when we are ready to contend.  Just younger and with a much cheaper contract.

  Usually the team that trades away a star in his 20s aren't trying to build for the future, they just have no choice in the matter. Minny isn't moving Love to build for the future, he's forcing their hand. They'll end up worse, both in the short term and the long term. Rondo isn't forcing our hand, so there's no need to rush to make a bad deal for the team.

  And Rondo's been in the league for 8 or so years. You could probably spend the rest of the morning listing point guards that have been drafted in that time that accomplished more in college and you would have said were better at the same age that haven't come close to accomplishing what Rondo has in the pros. Someone posted earlier in the thread that if you have a #8 pick you probably have a 50/50 chance of drafting someone who will ever be a starter, let alone a star. That's probably not that far from the truth. Jeff Green was a #5 pick, and he's probably close to average for a #5 pick. People just aren't at all realistic in their expectations for what they'll get from a draft pick.

The Apocalypse is truly upon us.

I agree with this.

The obsession some of you have here with the draft borders on the insane. Which is what trading Rondo for the 8 pick would be - with Kevin Love on the table.

  Had to happen sooner or later.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

I wouldn't trade RR for our 6th pick if someone was offering it and you are seriously thinking about giving him up for the 8th pick? I don't know about it being homerism but RR is worth more than our 6th pick, he's definitely worth more than the 8th. You really think if RR was only worth an 8th we wouldn't have been offered it and accepted it by now?? The Lakers would give the 7th and more (still a bad deal) and here you are talking about #8 LOL.

[footey]

Trade Rondo in a sign and trade with Lakers for Pau Gasol,  the 7th pick and Lakers' 2nd round pick.  Package the 6th and 7th to move up to get Exum or one of the big 3 (would love Embiid, but doubt that would be enough value).   If Exum, use the 17th pick for BPE (I like Porzingis, the Latvian kid, but would be happy with KJ McDaniels or Payne), if one of the big 3, draft Ennis or Payton for our new PG.  Use 2nd round pick on BPA, maybe local kid Shabazz Napier.

I propose this only assuming we have decided to trade Rondo.  You will not get proper value for him if you trade him to a team like Sacramento where there is little chance he will agree to re-up with them. He is much more likely to agree to extend with them, and therefore much more likely to get proper value for him.  This trade works because it is a toss up  as to who the best player in the trade is/will be.  A case could be made that Exum will become at least as good as Rondo. Certainly not in that class today, but you could his prospective value is at that level.  No other realistic trades would result in that type of return of value.  Plus you get the bonus of a great starting center in Gasol, if healthy, who would probably rotate pretty well with Sully and Kelly. 

The biggest objection to this trade is the fact it is with the hated Lakers.  But it's our objective  to make this team as good as possible, and if helping the Lakers at the same time is the only reasonable way to do it, I'm okay with that. And believe me, no one dislikes them more than I do.

[ImShakHeIsShaq]

Trade Rondo in a sign and trade with Lakers for Pau Gasol,  the 7th pick and Lakers' 2nd round pick.  Package the 6th and 7th to move up to get Exum or one of the big 3 (would love Embiid, but doubt that would be enough value).   If Exum, use the 17th pick for BPE (I like Porzingis, the Latvian kid, but would be happy with KJ McDaniels or Payne), if one of the big 3, draft Ennis or Payton for our new PG.  Use 2nd round pick on BPA, maybe local kid Shabazz Napier.

I propose this only assuming we have decided to trade Rondo.  You will not get proper value for him if you trade him to a team like Sacramento where there is little chance he will agree to re-up with them. He is much more likely to agree to extend with them, and therefore much more likely to get proper value for him.  This trade works because it is a toss up  as to who the best player in the trade is/will be.  A case could be made that Exum will become at least as good as Rondo. Certainly not in that class today, but you could his prospective value is at that level.  No other realistic trades would result in that type of return of value.  Plus you get the bonus of a great starting center in Gasol, if healthy, who would probably rotate pretty well with Sully and Kelly. 

The biggest objection to this trade is the fact it is with the hated Lakers.  But it's our objective  to make this team as good as possible, and if helping the Lakers at the same time is the only reasonable way to do it, I'm okay with that. And believe me, no one dislikes them more than I do.

No, ONE of the biggest objections is to being a horrible team for years on end after that trade. Players are lining up to play with a possible RR in a few years (Exum in your opinion) and Pau, who won't be here when Exum matures enough. If you aren't able to build a winner with RR, what makes us able to build one with someone who in a few years you think will be as good as RR. Sounds like we are adding more years to eventually get to another RR. I get it, RR that played ONLY 30 games wasn't RR of old but I don't get why people thinks he is a dime a dozen player. I know, everyone always prefers the new shiny cars though. 0.0

I don't want Love but if the alternative is to go backwards, sign me up for the overpriced (cost to obtain b/c 16m isn't the issue) and overrated, Love.

[Future Celtics Owner]

I think some of you forget that there is a chance, even if it is small, that Rondo will leave in free agency. And in that situation we get nothing.

The #8, Mclmore and filler 4 Rondo may not be so bad. Mainly because Sac is taking a huge risk that they can convince Rondo to stay and sign with them.

[jambr380]

I think some of you forget that there is a chance, even if it is small, that Rondo will leave in free agency. And in that situation we get nothing.

The #8, Mclmore and filler 4 Rondo may not be so bad. Mainly because Sac is taking a huge risk that they can convince Rondo to stay and sign with them.

But so are we if we trade Minnesota the #6, two or three additional firsts, and Sully. What do we have to offer Love that is so special, a chance to play with Rondo? In Sac, Rondo gets to play with one of his good friends, one of the next up and coming superstar centers, and gets to live in a very pleasant city.

This is why blockbuster trades with players in the last year of their contracts are becoming so rare - the team trading their superstar can't get as much as they want due to the fact that there are no guarantees that the receiving team can retain him.

[CM0]

I think some of you forget that there is a chance, even if it is small, that Rondo will leave in free agency. And in that situation we get nothing.

The #8, Mclmore and filler 4 Rondo may not be so bad. Mainly because Sac is taking a huge risk that they can convince Rondo to stay and sign with them.

Dozens of good players will become available through trade both later in the offseason and next season. Ntm, staying the course means that the Celtics can resign both Rondo and a major free agent or two next year with the added knowledge of how the current pieces are developing and fit into the long-term plan. There's absolutely no need to push the Rondo panic button at this juncture. He hasn't yet made any public demands and seems generally content. The threat of exploring free agency should be expected from any non-mentally challenged player.

[BballTim]

I think some of you forget that there is a chance, even if it is small, that Rondo will leave in free agency. And in that situation we get nothing.

  I don't think anyone's forgetting that, most people just don't think it's a good justification for a bad trade.

The #8, Mclmore and filler 4 Rondo may not be so bad. Mainly because Sac is taking a huge risk that they can convince Rondo to stay and sign with them.

  May not be bad in terms of lukewarm offers from a team that doesn't want to give up a lot for a player that will probably be a one year rental, but that's another way of saying "one of the better offers we'll see if we sell low".