Trade Rondo to Sacremento for the number 8 pick

[Hawkeye199]

realistically if we don't get Love I say we trade rondo and continue to draft and watch our team grow with our youth. If it is one thing ainge can do it is draft

[Smittymks]

I agree! Kings would do that plus you could probably snag McLemore

[Monkhouse]

I agree! Kings would do that plus you could probably snag McLemore

Why would the Kings do that? Rondo clearly said that he wouldn't re-sign with the Kings. That is what originally negated the trade proposal from getting anywhere.

[LarBrd33]

I agree! Kings would do that plus you could probably snag McLemore

Why would the Kings do that? Rondo clearly said that he wouldn't re-sign with the Kings. That is what originally negated the trade proposal from getting anywhere.

Does that mean that Boston tried to trade Rondo to Sacramento?  How else would we know that Rondo didn't want to re-sign there?

[CM0]

realistically if we don't get Love I say we trade rondo and continue to draft and watch our team grow with our youth. If it is one thing ainge can do it is draft

Ridiculous. Not only is Rondo worth A LOT more than an #8 pick (which essentially just gives you a 50/50 chance of getting an eventual starter, much less a star), but trading Rondo would disqualify the Celtics as a free agent destination (lengthening the rebuild) and cause the current team to develop a long-term culture of LOSING. It's a terrible, terrible idea. He's the leader of the team and the only guy who's won a championship. You need those guys around, especially if they're the best facilitator in the entire league.

NTM, you don't ever want to draft 3 guys in one first round because their rookie contracts all expire simultaneously, leaving you in very bad position to re-sign them all or make other moves.

You use the draft to try to catch a star and some solid role players to develop, try to make the playoffs next year, then make a splash in free agency once A) you become a good destination for high-profile FAs B) you know what young players make long term sense for the team and C) a bunch of contracts come off the books.

[BballTim]

I agree! Kings would do that plus you could probably snag McLemore

Why would the Kings do that? Rondo clearly said that he wouldn't re-sign with the Kings. That is what originally negated the trade proposal from getting anywhere.

Does that mean that Boston tried to trade Rondo to Sacramento?  How else would we know that Rondo didn't want to re-sign there?

  I think it means the Kings were getting ready to make a big offer (McLemore, Thomas and 1-2 first rounders) and Rondo's agent put out the word that they shouldn't bother.

[Eddie20]

I agree! Kings would do that plus you could probably snag McLemore

Why would the Kings do that? Rondo clearly said that he wouldn't re-sign with the Kings. That is what originally negated the trade proposal from getting anywhere.

Ainge recently stated that he would trade for a player without any guarantee that the player would re-sign in hopes of having a year to sell him on the situation. Why couldn't the same apply here? He'd playing alongside Cousins and Gay, the Kings would be in position to pay him more than anyone else, and they have a new ownership that would likely roll the dice in order to make a splash.

#8 & McLemore for Rondo seems very fair.

[BballTim]

I agree! Kings would do that plus you could probably snag McLemore

Why would the Kings do that? Rondo clearly said that he wouldn't re-sign with the Kings. That is what originally negated the trade proposal from getting anywhere.

Ainge recently stated that he would trade for a player without any guarantee that the player would re-sign in hopes of having a year to sell him on the situation. Why couldn't the same apply here? He'd playing alongside Cousins and Gay, the Kings would be in position to pay him more than anyone else, and they have a new ownership that would likely roll the dice in order to make a splash.

#8 & McLemore for Rondo seems very fair.

  It's a crappy return for a player like Rondo. Odds are very high that if we don't get back a player as good as Rondo we'll be on the losing end of the trade, and odds are pretty high that neither of those assets will turn out to be stars.

[jambr380]

I don't get it - we are ready to trade Rondo for the #8 and filler, but are expected to give up Sully, the #6, three additional 1sts, and potentially other assets for Love. They both have one year left on their contracts and neither is guaranteeing a contract extension.

I realize that Rondo isn't the star that Love is, but it isn't really fair to rate him coming off an acl tear either - plus, playoff Rondo is way better than playoff Love since Love has never actually taken his team to the playoffs.

[Jailan34]

I don't get it - we are ready to trade Rondo for the #8 and filler, but are expected to give up Sully, the #6, three additional 1sts, and potentially other assets for Love. They both have one year left on their contracts and neither is guaranteeing a contract extension.

I realize that Rondo isn't the star that Love is, but it isn't really fair to rate him coming off an acl tear either - plus, playoff Rondo is way better than playoff Love since Love has never actually taken his team to the playoffs.

Love plays in the extremely competitive western conference and his team has had some injury troubles. Even with all that, I don't think even the biggest Celtic's homer could say RR is a better player than Love. Not only is Love younger, he produces more and is a 20-10 big man. While I wouldn't trade 4 1st's for Love I'd consider trading our 6th, the Clip's 1st and one of the Brooklyn 1st's if it means getting him onto the Celtic's with RR.

[saltlover]

I don't get it - we are ready to trade Rondo for the #8 and filler, but are expected to give up Sully, the #6, three additional 1sts, and potentially other assets for Love. They both have one year left on their contracts and neither is guaranteeing a contract extension.

I realize that Rondo isn't the star that Love is, but it isn't really fair to rate him coming off an acl tear either - plus, playoff Rondo is way better than playoff Love since Love has never actually taken his team to the playoffs.

I agree with your point to an extent, but I haven't seen anything like 3 additional firsts in a realistic Love proposal.  No way on earth that trade happens, because Ainge isn't an idiot.

I'd rate #6, Sullinger, and filler higher than #8, McLemore, and filler for three on each component, however.  6 is obviously better than 8, Sullinger is better than McLemore, and most of our filler is non-guaranteed, whereas Sacramento's filler actually stays on our books next year.  Love is better than Rondo, but the idea of trading Rondo for only #8 is indeed ludicrous, if it's possible that #6 and Sullinger won't get it done for Love.

[Eddie20]

I agree! Kings would do that plus you could probably snag McLemore

Why would the Kings do that? Rondo clearly said that he wouldn't re-sign with the Kings. That is what originally negated the trade proposal from getting anywhere.

Ainge recently stated that he would trade for a player without any guarantee that the player would re-sign in hopes of having a year to sell him on the situation. Why couldn't the same apply here? He'd playing alongside Cousins and Gay, the Kings would be in position to pay him more than anyone else, and they have a new ownership that would likely roll the dice in order to make a splash.

#8 & McLemore for Rondo seems very fair.

  It's a crappy return for a player like Rondo. Odds are very high that if we don't get back a player as good as Rondo we'll be on the losing end of the trade, and odds are pretty high that neither of those assets will turn out to be stars.

Trades where players are of equal talent rarely occur. Usually one team receives the better current player in hopes of winning presently, while the other makes a trade in order to build for the future. We are in the latter stage, barring a trade for Love or an equal caliber of player. That said, Smart was far and away more accomplished than Rondo in college and clearly better at the same age, so I don't think the odds are high as you suggest that Smart doesn't turn out to be as good as Rondo when we are ready to contend.  Just younger and with a much cheaper contract.

This doesn't even include the McLemore part of the deal. We would be buying low on him, but his upside is huge. He could easily be a Beal type of player in a couple of years.

[jambr380]

I don't get it - we are ready to trade Rondo for the #8 and filler, but are expected to give up Sully, the #6, three additional 1sts, and potentially other assets for Love. They both have one year left on their contracts and neither is guaranteeing a contract extension.

I realize that Rondo isn't the star that Love is, but it isn't really fair to rate him coming off an acl tear either - plus, playoff Rondo is way better than playoff Love since Love has never actually taken his team to the playoffs.

I agree with your point to an extent, but I haven't seen anything like 3 additional firsts in a realistic Love proposal.  No way on earth that trade happens, because Ainge isn't an idiot.

I'd rate #6, Sullinger, and filler higher than #8, McLemore, and filler for three on each component, however.  6 is obviously better than 8, Sullinger is better than McLemore, and most of our filler is non-guaranteed, whereas Sacramento's filler actually stays on our books next year.  Love is better than Rondo, but the idea of trading Rondo for only #8 is indeed ludicrous, if it's possible that #6 and Sullinger won't get it done for Love.

The 4 1sts was from Simmons' trade proposal, which is in another thread. Also, the thread title didn't include McLemore, which I think is absolutely necessary in any deal with Sacramento.

I don't think Rondo is as good of a player as Love, but he is still a star in this league and [for some teams] maybe more valuable because of his elite pg skills and ability to excel in the clutch.

I guess my main point is, we are giving up too much for Love and accepting too little for Rondo.

[Geo123]

Rondo is worth more than the # 8th pick. 

[BballTim]

I agree! Kings would do that plus you could probably snag McLemore

Why would the Kings do that? Rondo clearly said that he wouldn't re-sign with the Kings. That is what originally negated the trade proposal from getting anywhere.

Ainge recently stated that he would trade for a player without any guarantee that the player would re-sign in hopes of having a year to sell him on the situation. Why couldn't the same apply here? He'd playing alongside Cousins and Gay, the Kings would be in position to pay him more than anyone else, and they have a new ownership that would likely roll the dice in order to make a splash.

#8 & McLemore for Rondo seems very fair.

  It's a crappy return for a player like Rondo. Odds are very high that if we don't get back a player as good as Rondo we'll be on the losing end of the trade, and odds are pretty high that neither of those assets will turn out to be stars.

Trades where players are of equal talent rarely occur. Usually one team receives the better current player in hopes of winning presently, while the other makes a trade in order to build for the future. We are in the latter stage, barring a trade for Love or an equal caliber of player. That said, Smart was far and away more accomplished than Rondo in college and clearly better at the same age, so I don't think the odds are high as you suggest that Smart doesn't turn out to be as good as Rondo when we are ready to contend.  Just younger and with a much cheaper contract.

  Usually the team that trades away a star in his 20s aren't trying to build for the future, they just have no choice in the matter. Minny isn't moving Love to build for the future, he's forcing their hand. They'll end up worse, both in the short term and the long term. Rondo isn't forcing our hand, so there's no need to rush to make a bad deal for the team.

  And Rondo's been in the league for 8 or so years. You could probably spend the rest of the morning listing point guards that have been drafted in that time that accomplished more in college and you would have said were better at the same age that haven't come close to accomplishing what Rondo has in the pros. Someone posted earlier in the thread that if you have a #8 pick you probably have a 50/50 chance of drafting someone who will ever be a starter, let alone a star. That's probably not that far from the truth. Jeff Green was a #5 pick, and he's probably close to average for a #5 pick. People just aren't at all realistic in their expectations for what they'll get from a draft pick.