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Green or Deng?

Jeff Green
18 (51.4%)
Luol Deng
17 (48.6%)

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Voting closed: June 02, 2014, 12:16:36 PM

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Re: Jeff Green or Luol Deng
« Reply #30 on: May 27, 2014, 11:37:24 AM »

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Well, your "case closed" comments based on a link to NBA.Com's stats page sure made it seem like you were. 
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Re: Jeff Green or Luol Deng
« Reply #31 on: May 28, 2014, 10:02:32 AM »

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I'd rather have Paul Pierce.

Re: Jeff Green or Luol Deng
« Reply #32 on: June 02, 2014, 10:07:27 AM »

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I'd rather have Paul Pierce.

i've actually wondered, If we land Kevin Love and become a competitive team and KG retires this year....does Pierce come back to the celtics for an MLE type contract?

as for Deng vs. Green...I would keep green. cheaper, younger. I think we give green too much grief honestly. I know its frustrating to watch him go off for 30ppg one night followed by a no show...but he is NOT a go to scorer. he's a nice piece who fits in more as a 3rd or 4th option when there are better players to take the attention away from him and I would take that as long as we have a #1 like Love and a #2 like Rondo

Re: Jeff Green or Luol Deng
« Reply #33 on: June 02, 2014, 10:22:28 AM »

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money-wise, I'd take Green.

2 similar players -- Deng's more consistent but Green's bigger offering the option to play the 4 at times and Green's capable of having the big scoring nights that Deng doesn't quite seem capable of reaching.

not a fan of Green but he's not completely useless.  with the right teammates he could be a key piece of a contender.

Re: Jeff Green or Luol Deng
« Reply #34 on: June 02, 2014, 12:09:58 PM »

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I'd rather have Aaron Gordon, but I guess he is not an option in this poll.

Re: Jeff Green or Luol Deng
« Reply #35 on: June 02, 2014, 12:29:17 PM »

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Not much to separate these two but Green is slightly younger, slightly a better 3point shooter, slightly cheaper, and slightly more versatile. If we don't get Love, this is like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. If Green is any better than our 4th best starter, then we are not a championship quality team. It's very likely that after we get Love, we will begin the search to get a third all-star quality player over the next year or two and it will likely be a 2 or a 3 who will replace either Bradley or Green.

Re: Jeff Green or Luol Deng
« Reply #36 on: June 03, 2014, 05:00:12 AM »

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It depends on what the rest of the roster looks like.

If we're continuing the rebuild, then keep Green.  He's younger and cheaper.

If we add quality veterans and are attempting to win immediately, then Deng is the better player.

This.
Roy is 100% correct. Deng can play against any team and guard any small forward.
He's done a lot of miles but the majority of those miles, in my opinion, were 'nagging' in the sense that if Tom Thibadeu hadn't run his Bulls teams into the ground and played Deng, Noah and Rose 40 minutes a night, then we wouldn't hear about his injuries. Everyone that plays that many minutes will be injury prone.
He's less than a year older than Rondo.
Before he was traded to Cleveland he was a 19 point, 7 rebound, 3.5 assist player. Keep in mind that he was playing 37-38 minutes a night lol. So in Boston we'd be cutting that to 32-34 minutes or even less so his numbers would drop.

But, that still doesn't change the fact that the major difference between Green and Deng is that Green will score 40 points one night, then 8 points the next. Deng is a consistent 16-20 points per night and gives you superior defense.
The only problem with Deng is is inconsistent 3 point shooting. That's where the benefit of having Love comes in to stretch the floor.

Depends on his price too. At age 28 he'll be looking for 14-16 million a year and I dunno if we'll be able to compete with teams like Charlotte who will pay $16 million for him.
I'd rather get him in the 12-14 million range.
The guy is just a workhorse and you know exactly what you're getting from him.
We need a solid defender with Love and Martin and a consistent 3rd wheel to help carry the scoring load and bail us out with 15 foot jumpers in collapsed offensive sets.

Remember that Deng is a two time All Star.
Green is lucky to make the All Star Ballot.
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Re: Jeff Green or Luol Deng
« Reply #37 on: June 03, 2014, 06:23:56 AM »

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But, that still doesn't change the fact that the major difference between Green and Deng is that Green will score 40 points one night, then 8 points the next. Deng is a consistent 16-20 points per night and gives you superior defense.

In 2013-2014, Deng scored 16-20 points in 22 out of 63 games.  Jeff Green, 27 out of 82.  I don't think there is a huge difference between 34.9% and 32.9%.  Deng scored in single digits in 19.0% of his games vs. 17.1% for Green.

I'm not sure if you can claim that consistency in scoring is a huge difference between Green and Deng.  Deng seems just as likely as Green to score 8 points in a game, but less likely to drop 40 on someone.
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Re: Jeff Green or Luol Deng
« Reply #38 on: June 03, 2014, 06:32:06 AM »

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Deng has to be one of the more overrated players among fans around the league.

But, that still doesn't change the fact that the major difference between Green and Deng is that Green will score 40 points one night, then 8 points the next. Deng is a consistent 16-20 points per night and gives you superior defense.

In 2013-2014, Deng scored 16-20 points in 22 out of 63 games.  Jeff Green, 27 out of 82.  I don't think there is a huge difference between 34.9% and 32.9%.  Deng scored in single digits in 19.0% of his games vs. 17.1% for Green.

I'm not sure if you can claim that consistency in scoring is a huge difference between Green and Deng.  Deng seems just as likely as Green to score 8 points in a game, but less likely to drop 40 on someone.

Not only this, he can barely crack 30% from three.

If you think Deng is some superior player you just aren't watching him.  It seems like many of you that say Green is overpaid likes Deng though?? That's really funny.  Talk about overpaid.

I think Deng may be better on defense but I don't think it'd be by much.  Green is an underrated defensive player on this board.  He's solid with good length.
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Re: Jeff Green or Luol Deng
« Reply #39 on: June 03, 2014, 08:08:20 AM »

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Not seeing a huge difference in results.

Sorta like he Hayward comparison to Green.

Jeff is so erratic with his play , it makes him seem less effective, than someone who puts up the same numbers every game .

I would keep Green over Deng.

But....Hayward provides some of the BB IQ. , play making , etc.....that to me give him an overall Edge on Greens game. Hayward is a better half court operator IMO. 

Not being able to count on Jeff to show up every game hurts. Someone who can jump out of he building ...Jeff is a weak rebounder.  His speed and ability ...I believe he is slack with rebounding effort.

Jeff's dunks are great though and love seeing him posterize opponents .

Re: Jeff Green or Luol Deng
« Reply #40 on: June 03, 2014, 08:16:48 AM »

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People are seriously picking Jeff Green over Luol Deng? Deng is infinitely better at defense and its not even close. They are basically the same shooter when it comes to averages. Deng is better defender and shooter.

Deng has nearly doubled Green WS/48 in his career 1.20>.73

People have no idea what they are talking about if they would rather have Green over Deng.

Re: Jeff Green or Luol Deng
« Reply #41 on: June 03, 2014, 11:47:01 AM »

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Deng has to be one of the more overrated players among fans around the league.

But, that still doesn't change the fact that the major difference between Green and Deng is that Green will score 40 points one night, then 8 points the next. Deng is a consistent 16-20 points per night and gives you superior defense.

In 2013-2014, Deng scored 16-20 points in 22 out of 63 games.  Jeff Green, 27 out of 82.  I don't think there is a huge difference between 34.9% and 32.9%.  Deng scored in single digits in 19.0% of his games vs. 17.1% for Green.

I'm not sure if you can claim that consistency in scoring is a huge difference between Green and Deng.  Deng seems just as likely as Green to score 8 points in a game, but less likely to drop 40 on someone.

Not only this, he can barely crack 30% from three.

If you think Deng is some superior player you just aren't watching him.  It seems like many of you that say Green is overpaid likes Deng though?? That's really funny.  Talk about overpaid.

I think Deng may be better on defense but I don't think it'd be by much.  Green is an underrated defensive player on this board.  He's solid with good length.

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My take on Deng is that when he's healthy, he's probably a better defender of SGs off the ball, but not as good as Green with some of the bigger SFs.   And he's older and seems to be a bit more worn down at this point in his career.   And he'll probably be more expensive.
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Re: Jeff Green or Luol Deng
« Reply #42 on: June 03, 2014, 11:48:15 AM »

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People are seriously picking Jeff Green over Luol Deng? Deng is infinitely better at defense and its not even close. They are basically the same shooter when it comes to averages. Deng is better defender and shooter.

Deng has nearly doubled Green WS/48 in his career 1.20>.73

People have no idea what they are talking about if they would rather have Green over Deng.

You need to consider salaries, also.


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