Would you trade #6 and # 17 for #4?

[jambr380]

Even if it was Rondo #6 and #17 Orlando isn't stupid enough to trade a cost controlled superstar for mediocrity. This draft is 4 deep in franchise players

That's just it, though. It is clearly three deep in superstars, but they may actually prefer Smart. Exum, while being scouted heavily this past year, is still a relative unknown in regards to how he will respond to NBA competition. If Smart is the player they prefer, then picking up another decent first should really work for them.

[bknova]

Orlando probably wouldnt do that.

I think it would take Rondo + #6 + Wallace's bad contract for #4 and Jameer Nelson's expiring contract.

Why for Boston:  They get a young potential franchise player to build around with the #4 pick.  They dump Wallace's bad contract.  They build around Exum, Sully, Oly  and utilize the cap space to keep acquiring draft picks while we develop the children.  If Rondo is fleeing, they might as well. 

Why for Orlando:  They get a former all-star PG who still has some years left in the tank... losing out on Exum would stink, but they could land another young big with #6.  They have the cap space to absorb Rondo and Wallace's contract.

Dumb idea all-around, but I'm having trouble imagining Orlando giving up a potential star for #6 and #17... I think Rondo + #6 at least gets their attention.

This all depends on who falls.  Exum is their guy, and Orlando has a lot of holes to fill.  I've been posting for days I think it goes down like this, after individual workouts Exum sneaks into the top 3 causing Parker or Embiid to fall.  I'm guessing Embiid and his back. They are locked into their center and their 2 guard.  If Parker falls, Utah makes and offer to move up and they still get Smart.  If Boston, it would probably cost 6, 17, and a future 1, Boston gets Embiid.  Orlando nabs Smart at 6 and then trades back into the top ten with 12 and 17 and grabs Saric, Vonleh, or Gordon.  Thats a helluva draft for the Magic.

The difference between the top 6 or 8 players in this draft is not so great that this type of movement can't occur.  None of these guys is can't miss ala Bron, Durant, or Melo. 

[dreamgreen]

Yes I would, IMO there are 4 players in this draft that I like, after that the drop off is big.

[Who]

Yes

[Kane3387]

Yes I would if it helps with a Love trade.

[gpap]

Nope.

I want veteran help, not rookies with questionable upside.

+100000

[Kane3387]

Even if it was Rondo #6 and #17 Orlando isn't stupid enough to trade a cost controlled superstar for mediocrity. This draft is 4 deep in franchise players

This is Bull. Don't give into hype. Aaron Gordon, Julius Randle, Noah Vonleh, and even Marcus Smart have what it takes to be the best player of this class. All these kids are so young and are still developing their bodies and games.

The intensity of a Randle or Smart could easily bode well for them having better futures then Wiggins (who seems like he could be too passive to be superstar) or Parker (who also has plenty of questions - athleticism, defense, conditioning). Even Embiid with injury concerns.

Julius Randle is the same size as Chris Webber with a better handle. Aaron Gordon, imagine if he puts on 15-20 pounds of muscle. Imagine if Smart and Gordon really improve that shot... If Jason Kidd can do it at 35 then anyone can.

This draft is crazy deep and there isnt as much separating number 1 from 8 right now. It's all hype and speculation. In the end it will come down to environment, individual desire, and good fortune. All these guys in the top 8 have a chance.

There isnt much that separates Exum from Smart, Wiggins and Gordon, Randle and Parker, or Vonleh and Embiid presently.

[manl_lui]

depends if any of the top 3 drops (Embiid/Parker/Wiggins), if it happens, yes in a HEARTBEAT

[BigAlTheFuture]

depends if any of the top 3 drops (Embiid/Parker/Wiggins), if it happens, yes in a HEARTBEAT

If any of the top 3 slips, our chances of moving up becomes lower than it already is.

[SHAQATTACK]

I think so.

Maybe somebody would fall ...from the top three one spot.

[slamtheking]

Nope.

I want veteran help, not rookies with questionable upside.

you've also mentioned you think Exum will be a bust.  I don't agree on that but wonder if that plays a part in your answer

I'd think about it but would agree that unless it's one of the top 3 prospects, deal the pick either for an all-star player or drop down a few spots while picking up another asset.

[crimson_stallion]

I disagree about Smart/Exum.  Exum has a TON of benefits over Smart.  Athletiism, height, court vision, Passing, ball handling, ability to finish over length, post up game, age.

I think both are great players and both have the potential to become All-Stars, but Exum's ceiling is far, far higher.  Whether he'll ever achieve it is another question.

As for the original question, hell yes.  I would trade 6+17 for #4 in a heartbeat.  Embiid, Wiggins and Exum are all to-way players and physical freaks with sky-high potential.  Even if those guys don't develop superstar offensive potential, they are almost certain to become elite defenders.  There's minimal risk here, except for Embiid (with the injury concerns).

Parker has less potential, but he's the most NBA ready of the lot right now and could potentially be Boston's #1 scorer from day one, allowing Jeff Green and AB to slip back to their more natural complimentary scoring roles.

Either way it's hard to go wrong with any one of those guys.

If we couldn't make he trade then I'd still be pretty happy with Smart or Vonleh as a consolation prize (which is why I'm pretty happy with #6) but no question that I'd be incredibly cheerful if we did manage to move up to one of those guys.

Utah are in a great position a #5 because there is a pretty decent chance that one of those top 4 guys drops down a spot (Parker over defense/conditioning concerns, Embiid over injury concerns, Exum because people haven't seen much of him) but I think if one of those guys does drop, Utah will snap them up.  I really doubt any of those 4 will drop to Boston at #6.

[gar]

 I'd do it for the Aussie phenom.

Only if you think Exum is that much better then Randle, Gordon, Saric or Volneh. I still think we can get a legit Backup / successor to Rondo at #17. So I would stick with a big at #6; but Danny may be getting impatient. Only reason you draft Exum is if you trade Rondo for a Big.

[LooseCannon]

 I'd do it for the Aussie phenom.

Only if you think Exum is that much better then Randle, Gordon, Saric or Volneh. I still think we can get a legit Backup / successor to Rondo at #17. So I would stick with a big at #6; but Danny may be getting impatient. Only reason you draft Exum is if you trade Rondo for a Big.

Ainge has always wanted a combo guard to back up Rondo, so I could see drafting Exum with the intention of him being a sixth man third guard behind Rondo and Bradley, with the possibility that he eventually ends up starting in a few years or becomes trade bait to bring in an established superstar in a year or two.

[gar]

Rondo may not be a very hot commodity at this moment. Yes he may come back 100%; but he still has a suspect shot and he did not play any defense whatsoever last season so his lateral quickness may or may not be there.