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Offline Clench123

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As for his larger point, he is absolutely correct and it is why I don't think the owners will vote Sterling out as long as it is sealed ballot.  It is a very dangerous and slippery slope to kick owners out of the league when they have done absolutely nothing wrong except be a racist moron (and it isn't like Sterling's racism is affecting the players he signs, after all most of them are in fact black, and in fact he prefers black athletes from all I have read about him).

Their direct product are the same players Sterling talked so negatively about.  Sterling is as good as gone but I hope it's very long and drawn out.
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His point is definitely hurt by the poor choice of example, that's for sure.
I'm pretty sure he used black guy in a hoodie because of the Trayvon Martin case, but he also wanted to add in a white guy, so he went with the classic biker gang look.  He just used examples that people would relate to, but that had different races.

Right -- the reason that's stupid is because of the false equivalency it creates.

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As for his larger point, he is absolutely correct and it is why I don't think the owners will vote Sterling out as long as it is sealed ballot.  It is a very dangerous and slippery slope to kick owners out of the league when they have done absolutely nothing wrong except be a racist moron (and it isn't like Sterling's racism is affecting the players he signs, after all most of them are in fact black, and in fact he prefers black athletes from all I have read about him).

I will bet you exactly one tommy point that Sterling will have been voted out by the time the offseason is over.
sure, but it has to be a sealed ballot (or some equivalency).
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Consider it a bet (I don't think it'll be a sealed ballot, though).
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Why do so many people keep treating this as a moral decision by the NBA?  It's a business decision with a moral pretext.  No slippery slope is necessary - if someone threatens the financial well-being of the league by drawing the degree of negative response that Sterling's comments got, they'll be out too.  "But what about this other thing somebody said 10 years ago?"  Didn't get the attention, didn't threaten the business, so no response.

It just happens that racist, sexist, and, increasingly, homophobic statements are a very quick way of drawing that kind of negative response in today's market, far more so than in the past.

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Can the players legally strike?  Wouldn't that violate the Collective Bargaining Agreement?

I could see the players do a work slowdown instead, in which they purposely just missed shots, to the point that the fans would stop going to games. Then something would surely be done.

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Can the players legally strike?  Wouldn't that violate the Collective Bargaining Agreement?

The question to that question is 'so?'
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Can the players legally strike?  Wouldn't that violate the Collective Bargaining Agreement?

I could see the players do a work slowdown instead, in which they purposely just missed shots, to the point that the fans would stop going to games. Then something would surely be done.
They'd be in breach of contract, but so what. What are the owners going to do about it?

I'm sure the NBA would love to be on the side of defending the property rights of a public racist sleeze bag. That'd go over well.

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Can the players legally strike?  Wouldn't that violate the Collective Bargaining Agreement?

I could see the players do a work slowdown instead, in which they purposely just missed shots, to the point that the fans would stop going to games. Then something would surely be done.
They'd be in breach of contract, but so what. What are the owners going to do about it?

I'm sure the NBA would love to be on the side of defending the property rights of a public racist sleeze bag. That'd go over well.

The players of the Clippers should all strike and stand up for what's right.  The Clippers forfeit every game and we get a top four pick guaranteed  :)

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People will read into Cuban's comments whatever they want. The are very honest and reasonable comments.

That doesn't mean that he doesn't think that booting Sterling wouldn't be the best move. I think the more likely concern is whether the NBA would win a case against Sterling and the kind of risk they open themselves up to considering how much money Sterling has to spend on lawyers.

I hope he ends up gone, but it may be a difficult road.

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Why do so many people keep treating this as a moral decision by the NBA?  It's a business decision with a moral pretext.  No slippery slope is necessary - if someone threatens the financial well-being of the league by drawing the degree of negative response that Sterling's comments got, they'll be out too.  "But what about this other thing somebody said 10 years ago?"  Didn't get the attention, didn't threaten the business, so no response.

It just happens that racist, sexist, and, increasingly, homophobic statements are a very quick way of drawing that kind of negative response in today's market, far more so than in the past.

Kicking Sterling out is a lot simpler, and a lot more legal, than his defenders want to believe.
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Why do so many people keep treating this as a moral decision by the NBA?  It's a business decision with a moral pretext.  No slippery slope is necessary - if someone threatens the financial well-being of the league by drawing the degree of negative response that Sterling's comments got, they'll be out too.  "But what about this other thing somebody said 10 years ago?"  Didn't get the attention, didn't threaten the business, so no response.

It just happens that racist, sexist, and, increasingly, homophobic statements are a very quick way of drawing that kind of negative response in today's market, far more so than in the past.

Kicking Sterling out is a lot simpler, and a lot more legal, than his defenders want to believe.

We don't often agree, but when we do, it's over Donald Sterling.  ;D
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Having a little unfortunate experience with contract bylaws and the concept of implied consent, it's clear the league has the old racist dead to rights.
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Cuban ...

Probably doesn't want to HE!P the LA teams in any way....he wants to see the Clippers swing on their rope for a long time

Running off the old racist bigot will only help the Clippers in the short and long run.

Cuban see a chance to snag CP3 and other players , and maybe keep the Clippers locked in a cage and court battle with the NBA ....

Thus reducing his competition.


Cuban is very clever .....he is smart enough to know the old turd needs to go ......but keeping him might have its value.

Plus their is surely lots of info on both Cuban and Sterling none of we, the general public are not aware of.

I think off hand he is working the angles against a hated team .

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Can the players legally strike?  Wouldn't that violate the Collective Bargaining Agreement?

The question to that question is 'so?'

The answer to your question is:  If a strike violates the CBA, there could be significant financial penalties to the players.  Money talks, always will.

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You really think the players stand to lose more than the ownership in a player's strike over something like this? That's sort of laughable.
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